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Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #181

Oops, was not able to provide link. Not sure how to do that in this bulletin board. Let me try and paste the link here:
4closurefraud.org/2011/07/20/federal-res...d-falsifying-income/

Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #182

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E Roberts Musser wrote:
Oops, was not able to provide link. Not sure how to do that in this bulletin board. Let me try and paste the link here:
4closurefraud.org/2011/07/20/federal-res...d-falsifying-income/


See my reply to your post in the blog entry. Don't get me wrong. I am for punishing banks for their wrongdoing. In this case, WF is probably guilty. However, the article you post is a side story that has very little to do with the cause of mortgage crisis.

Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #183

See my reply to your post in the blog entry. Don't get me wrong. I am for punishing banks for their wrongdoing. In this case, WF is probably guilty. However, the article you post is a side story that has very little to do with the cause of mortgage crisis.


The point I am trying to make is that the banks wrongdoing is NOT A SIDESTORY, but an integral part of the story about the mortgage meltdown. The federal gov't had at least an equal hand in the mortgage meltdown certainly. But so did the banks and Wall Street. The banks, bc they lied to consumers about mortgage terms, falsified consumer income, failed to check foreclosure documentation, etc., and Wall Street, bc it allowed the bundling of subprime and prime mortgages, bundled mortgages which were then sliced and diced, and subsequently sold off to unsuspecting investors. When the mortgages were defaulted on, the last investor holding the hot potato (subprime mortgage defaulted on) was the loser. Many of these "last" investors were pension funds. To blame only gov't IMO leaves out a huge sector of wrongdoers - the banks and Wall Street. But believe me, I am not for one second allowing the federal gov't off the hook on this either, including Barney Frank and Alan Greenspan.

Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #187

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Elaine: what do you mean "banks lied to consumers about mortgage terms?" Have you ever signed mortgage docs? Do you know how many "disclosures" are required. The Truth In Lending act has been in force for a long time.

Banks did do plenty of stated income loans. However, the consumer was as culpable if not more so. The banks just didn't bother confirming the income stated. Mortgage brokers were generally the source of business-related reporting fraud since they tended to have no financial risk in the game and would take their commissions and jet. Banks would have looked at credit differently had they not been able to dump any and all mortgages on Freddie and Fannie.

You could hunt down all the real crooks responsible for the financial meltdown of 2008, and what you would find is many more people that got caught up in the wild enthusiasm of a market way overheated by direct actions and policies of the government. The only real valuable lesson here (and it is absolutely not to demonize banks and Wall Street) is that government meddling in the free market is a recipe for disaster.

Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #202

Banks did do plenty of stated income loans. However, the consumer was as culpable if not more so. The banks just didn't bother confirming the income stated. Mortgage brokers were generally the source of business-related reporting fraud since they tended to have no financial risk in the game and would take their commissions and jet. Banks would have looked at credit differently had they not been able to dump any and all mortgages on Freddie and Fannie.


Sorry it took me so long to reply, but I have been on travel (and frisked at the airport!) and am answering from the East Coast. Banks filled in false income for some folks - flat out lied about their income unbeknownst to the consumer. Other terms that were lied about were the interest rates- as I mentioned interest rates were stated as MONTHLY rather than YEARLY, with the notation that it was monthly in miniscule fine print that you have to have a magnifying glass to read. Take a look at the following article, which is very sobering: www.iwatchnews.org/2011/11/22/7461/whist...former-employees-say

Re: Cindy Sheehan joins Occupy Woodland Tuesday 1 year, 5 months ago #204

Just as an aside, why is there a determination by some to let the banks off the hook in the mortgage meltdown? Is it so hard to believe some big businesses are crooked as a dog's hind leg?
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