On Wednesday, the Sacramento Bee had an interview with Sacramento County Sheriff John McGinness about their department’s policies on the use of Tasers. The Vanguard has asked similar questions of Davis Police Chief Landy Black. Chief Black also directed us to the Davis Police Department’s policies on the use of Tasers and the use of deadly force.
Chief Black: I do. I still see this tool as a practical alternative to some other, also justifiable, uses of force that at times raise a greater risk of injury to officers, recipients of force applications, and innocent civilians. And I don’t see that this latest appellate court decision changes that. It merely requires that police agencies and their agents tighten up their policies and training with regard to standards of reasonableness.
Vanguard: The court said that to justify the use of a Taser, “the objective facts must indicate that the suspect poses an immediate threat to the officer or a member of the public.” Disobeying orders or acting out are not sufficient. Your thoughts?
Chief Black: I was pleased and encouraged to see that this specific language used by the Justices in the published opinion, and other language in their ruling, supports and bolsters Davis PD’s existing policies and training guidance. I see the opinion as essentially an endorsement of our existing policy. In fact, our existing policy prescribes additional factors for officers to consider before they reach a decision to employ force, whether a Taser or some other form.
Vanguard: Do you think Tasers are being overused in situations where officers may have other options, including talking?
Chief Black: I cannot speak for peace officers universally, but here in Davis, based on our review of Davis PD uses of force involving Tasers, that is not the case. Each and every case since I arrived here nearly three years ago in which we have employed a Taser has met or exceeded the reasonableness standards that 1) we train our officers understand and be able to articulate before Taser use, and 2) require them to comply with through our Department policies.
However, we do not stop here. While we train our officers to use force reasonably and appropriately, we also have been training to improve DPD officers’ capabilities to employ other tactics. Virtually every day, our officers are confronted with a wide variety of circumstances that challenge them to find resolution in the least intrusive and most reasonable manner they are capable of. Many of those are dynamic and potentially violent confrontations. Davis PD officers routinely resolve many of these without force–using dialogue and reason.
And to provide Davis PD officers with another tool in their repertoire along this line, we have been active in working with mental health providers/practitioners (MHP) and other experts in the realm of police responses to street-level mental health incidents. Together we have begun fashioning new protocols for police handling of such incidents and have been providing what is referred to in the MHP/Police culture as Crisis Intervention Training (CIT) to our officers. The decision-making and options-providing skills that come from this training is not only beneficial to our officers when they are confronted by potentially violent persons with mental health issues, but also when they find themselves confronted by other potentially violent persons without such issues.
Vanguard: In your view, are Tasers more dangerous than sometimes advertised? Official statistics have placed the number of fatalities from Taser shootings at 9 in the Sacramento area over the last decade.
Chief Black: I first have to take exception to the second part of the question and the accuracy of the phrase, “fatalities from Taser shootings.” I do not believe there have been any medical/pathology findings of death caused by Taser in any of the cases you mention (or any other cases nationally, as far as I know). The statement you quote is what is seen in many headlines published by those uninformed as to the true nature of cause of death. All of the cases I am familiar with have been determined to have causes of death not associated with a Taser; only that Taser use was an incidental element of the circumstances occurring at or around the time of death. While I’ll take your word that there may have been nine deaths “in the Sacramento area over the last decade” (and more, of course, when you look more broadly) in which, among other things, Taser use was present, to my knowledge, none of those deaths was attributed to (through the conclusions of the medical examiner/coroner process) the Taser or from the effect of the electrical impulse on the person’s cardiovascular or neurological systems. Each death has been ruled caused by some other factor.
However, to the first part of your question: Tasers are not more dangerous than advertised. The manufacturer has been explicit that they expect that their product will be used reasonably and responsibly. They advertise that when employed so, the Taser does not present a measurable risk of injury through its use. As far as I am aware, the outcomes of Taser use that go beyond what one might expect have always been attributed to factors other than the direct result of the application of the Taser electrical impulse.
Injuries of the sort considered in this latest 9th Circuit case are less a result of Taser use than a failure of the officer to anticipate unintended consequences. Peace officers employ many other forms of minimal force (come-alongs, leveraged force to limbs, tripping, and even body strikes, etc.) to overcome force thrust upon them. When precautions against unrestrained falling are either unavailable or not employed, injury beyond what was anticipated might be expected, yet that doesn’t condemn the tactic. It just requires better training to anticipate and avoid the unintended.
Vanguard: In what types of situations is the use of Tasers appropriate or inappropriate?
Chief Black: I want to be clear from the outset that my perspective on how I consider and respond to this question is couched upon the fact that each and every circumstance that an officer might be confronted with is unique; unable to be defined in advance; and dynamic/constantly evolving, which further frustrates pre-classification. To make a general assumption, in advance of a particular circumstance, that any particular solution or remedy is either appropriate or inappropriate is flawed from the outset. Operational policies should not be based on specific circumstances. Policy guidance must be broad enough to allow an officer to make a reasonable decision based on, literally, an infinite number and evolving set of possibilities with which they may be confronted. It would be impossible to established policy for every conceivable circumstance.
Davis PD policy regarding the use of force properly assumes that no policy can realistically or accurately predict every possible situation an officer might encounter. Therefore, our officers must be entrusted with well-reasoned discretion to determine the appropriate use of force in each incident. To ensure the greatest likelihood of success in that endeavor, our officers are trained so they have the greatest ability and capacity to develop and employ that well-reasoned discretion. Due in the largest part to our belief in the value of the public’s trust–and this is a large component of from which the public’s trust is based–Davis PD training with regard to the proper and reasonable use of force is one of the most important and emphasized areas of our ongoing training.
However, our policies do recognize and anticipate that the public has some notions about the application of force upon certain types of people and in certain types of circumstances and that applications in certain situations create an elevated risk of unintended consequential injuries. For those reasons we admonish and forewarn our officers to understand they may be held to a higher level of scrutiny under such circumstances. Here is the list of those types of people and circumstances that our policy informs officers to anticipate will require a higher level of justification if a Taser is employed:
- Children
- Seniors
- Handcuffed or restrained subjects
- Passive or passively resisting subject
- Presence of flammable liquids/fumes or explosive environments
- Target person is in an elevated position
- Target person is operating a moving vehicle or machinery
- Target person is running or fleeing (fall potential)
- Pregnant female
- Target person in swimming pool or other body of water
- Intentional Taser application to sensitive body areas (face, neck, groin, or a female’s breast)
- Frail or infirm individual
I’m sure you can fathom as well as I that even though children, seniors, pregnant woman, etc. are on this list, it is not at all inconceivable that any of them could themselves direct a level of force or resistance toward an officer that might justify using force or Taser to avoid officer or civilian injury or even prevent unnecessary and otherwise more serious injury to the target person. For that reason there is not an outright prohibition on the use of force or Taser in these circumstances, but additional precautions and forethought are expected/required.
Vanguard: A number of Taser shootings have occurred with individuals who turned out to be mentally ill or emotionally disturbed–is this an appropriate use? How can law enforcement better deal with such individuals?
Chief Black: The decision to use force is based on the nature of the conduct/force and the threat the officer is confronted with. The knowledge that a person threatening or using force upon an officer has mental health issues is generally immaterial to the decision to use force and what force will be used. The Police Department, the City, and our citizens do not expect that Davis police officers should sustain injury in the performance of their duties, whether or not they are dealing with a person possessing all of their mental faculties or not. We train and expect our officers to analyze all of the factors they are confronted with and use that force which is reasonable to overcome the force and/or threat of force, restore order, and survive the encounter uninjured.
That being said, the Davis PD, along with a growing number of police departments locally and around the nation, recognizes that individuals with mental health issues are likely to come into contact with our officers, often under crisis-like circumstances. We know our citizens are sensitive to how these fragile individuals are handled and treated. We can’t ignore that public mandate. At the risk of repeating myself, I want to emphasize, once again, that we have been working actively with the mental health providers/practitioners (MHP) and other experts in the realm of police responses to street-level mental health incidents to develop protocols for the police handling of such incidents and have been providing what is referred to in the MHP/Police culture as Crisis Intervention Training (CIT) to our officers. New decision-making and options-providing skills spring from this training–skills that create a greater likelihood for more peaceful resolutions to confrontations involving those with mental health issues.
Vanguard: How many times on average in a given year does the Davis Police Department use the Taser?
Chief Black: The range over recent years is between four and ten Taser applications a year. The average number, going back to 2001, or so, would be about 8 a year.
Vanguard: Will the ruling change how your officers do their jobs?
Chief Black: I don’t think this decision will have much effect on the way we think or do things regarding Use of Force or Taser use here at Davis PD. The 9th Circuit’s Justice’s decision mirrors what our Use of Force and Taser policies already require and instruct. In fact, our policies are even a bit more constraining than what is explicit in the language of the court’s ruling.
When I read this ruling, I was pleased and encouraged to see that the language used by the Justices in the published opinion supports and bolsters Davis PD policy and training guidance. I see the opinion as essentially an endorsement of Davis PD’s existing policy. There are several pertinent statements the Justices made in their ruling that are the basis for my belief:
- “[A]ll force…must be justified by the need for the specific level of force employed.”
- “[W]e must evaluate the nature of the specific force employed in a specific factual situation.”
- An officer intending to employ force must evaluate “…the severity of the crime at issue, whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others, and whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight.”
Each of those postulates exist in our current Use of Force policies–almost verbatim in some cases.
However, and again, as I said in my earlier communication with you, this is a fresh ruling and we will definitely take the time to review it, and think and talk about its implications. We make a practice of listening to what the courts have to say and then holding our policies and training guidelines up to the standards the courts establish to ensure that we are staying within reasonable and Constitutional bounds with our policy guidance. It certainly is possible that we may find some nugget previously overlooked that we might like to incorporate into our policy guidance. But for now, I am comfortable that our policies and the way we do business as peace officers are in line with both this latest ruling, as well as with U.S. Supreme Court rulings along the same line.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
Why is it that I’ve never seen an article like this with the Fire department ?
[i]”the Davis PD, along with a growing number of police departments locally and around the nation, recognizes that individuals with mental health issues are likely to come into contact with our officers, often under crisis-like circumstances.” [/i]
I cannot imagine the Davis Police Department would ever mishandle a case as badly as the Chicago Police Dept. handled the Christina Eilman situation ([url]http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/01/new-details-in-ordeal-of-woman-who-fell-from-high-rise.html[/url]). It’s such a shocking case. Everyone (in law enforcement and the public) should read about what happened. The obvious blame is with the police. They could not even keep their lies straight when they tried to cover up their bad decisions. But a secondary blame lies in California, where we no longer have public mental hospitals for people like Miss Eilman, who came from Sacramento. She was a student at UCLA when she “went crazy.” She should have been hospitalized and treated with medication. Instead, she was the victim of a horrific crime: [quote] Police escorted Eilman to the back door of the Wentworth District, which also houses an area detective headquarters. She then wandered along 51st Street a few blocks east to a takeout restaurant, where men began to gather and talk to the petite blonde, who was dressed in a skimpy jogging suit.
Witnesses said she appeared to be disoriented and behaving erratically, unable to make eye contact or track what people were saying to her. A short time later she walked to the public housing high-rise at 5135 S. Federal St., then the last remaining building of the Robert Taylor Homes. It has since been razed.
A crowd gathered around, befuddled by the presence of an unescorted white woman in a virtually all-black, high-crime area. Eilman eventually went with a group of people to a vacant apartment on the seventh floor that residents used as a communal room.
One resident, Melene Jones, said she repeatedly told Eilman to leave because the building was not safe for her. Several men asked Eilman to perform oral sex, but she refused, at one point saying she would jump out the window if anyone laid a hand on her, witnesses said.
Jones said she tried to persuade Eilman to leave because she feared something bad would happen.
“First off, because, I mean, there was nobody there with her. And second off, because she was a white girl and, I mean, it’s really unusual for a white girl to be in the building and especially by herself,” Jones testified. “If you live there, it’s cool and you know everybody and whatnot, but if you don’t and you just be there and whatnot, people, they might try to take advantage of you and whatnot.”
Eventually, reputed gang member and convicted felon Marvin Powell entered the apartment and began trying to talk to Eilman, several witnesses said. He began trying to provoke her with sexual taunts and then demanded that everyone else leave the apartment. When Eilman tried to leave with them, Powell allegedly held her back and said to the others, “I’m gonna show this bitch who the real killa is,” according to testimony from resident Robert Kimble.
Powell is charged with abducting and sexually assaulting Eilman. He is jailed awaiting trial.
Eilman began screaming that Powell was going to kill her, and Powell shut the door. Soon, people outside did not hear any more screaming, Kimble and others said. About 15 minutes later, residents started running through the halls of the building in an uproar. The woman had plummeted from the window, they said, and was lying in the grass below. [/quote]
“I cannot imagine the Davis Police Department would ever mishandle a case as badly as the Chicago Police Dept. “
You do not have to go to Chicago – just turn right at 113 and drive to Woodland. Ricardo Abrahams had several “faults” – mentally ill, big, not white and he carried a sharp pencil. Five police officers jumped on him and he died. It can not get much worse than that.
I hope Woodland has the same detailed protocol for taser use as Davis has
In the Ricardo Abrahams case, at least the WPD followed protocol. In the Christina Eilman situation, the CPD did not. (And then they clearly tried to cover up that fact by lying about it. Half of the officers told one story and the other half another story.)
In case anyone is interested, there was a heartwarming story in yesterday’s NYT about a woman with serious mental illness who was [b]forced[/b] by a court to take her medications. She is a good example of how we ought to be treating adults who need help because they are mentally ill and cannot make good decisions about their own medical care. Our nonsensical civil libertarian approach ALWAYS results in tragedies. Here is a link ([url]http://lexicondaily.blogspot.com/2010/01/in-2006-deciding-she-no-longer-needed.html[/url]).
“Chief Black: I first have to take exception to the second part of the question and the accuracy of the phrase, “fatalities from Taser shootings.” I do not believe there have been any medical/pathology findings of death caused by Taser in any of the cases you mention (or any other cases nationally, as far as I know). The statement you quote is what is seen in many headlines published by those uninformed as to the true nature of cause of death”
Ummmm okay Chief, you had me untill here. Please, don’t deny the obvious..so you’re saying someone gets shot by a tazer, they die immediately or shortly there after and you’re saying that the tazer didn’t cause the death????
Look you can lie to yourself but please don’t lie to us.
If someone gets shot by a gun and they die, did they die because of an underlying health condition or did they die from the gunshot wound????
hmmmmm..
if a murderer wanted to use this as a defense argument, he would get laughed out of court…so please don’t make a mockery of our intelligence.
the fact that people die because they have a weak heart and can’t take the shock of electricity going through you body is exactly why we shouldn’t be using tazers so flagrantly.
I’m glad for this court ruling, because it shows that many officers unfortunately have been using the tazer as a form of trying to get compliance, and their liberal use of this deadly weapon has been causing deaths….
BOTTOM LINE!!!! TAZERS KILL
no disrespect chief and readers, sorry for the glaring grammatical mishaps..i didn’t proof read before posting.
Melanie, the chief is right and you don’t know what you are talking about here.
Chief Black said…..
“Taser use was present, to my knowledge, none of those deaths was attributed to (through the conclusions of the medical examiner/coroner process) the Taser or from the effect of the electrical impulse on the person’s cardiovascular or neurological systems. Each death has been ruled caused by some other factor”
So if I don’t know what I’m talking about, then what “other factor” did the individuals die from after being tazered. Like I said, there are too many individuals with underlying health problems and the use of tazers have been way too liberal, which is why people have died, indirectly or otherwise, from the use of tazers.
If someone has an underlying health problem, and they get tazed, and they die, the tazer caused the death my friend…Please, the euphemisms and semantics are over the top….
There is a country whose name I won’t mention, where AIDS is plagueing the people. When someone dies from AIDS, the stigma of AIDS is still too strong for people to admit that the person died from AIDS. So, when reporting the death of your loved one, instead of saying that they passed from AIDS, people gloss it over and say the person died from TB, or starvation, or influenza…
So in this case, what was the cause of death, AIDS, or the milieu of complications from having a broke down immune sytem.
In the case of tazer deaths, the chief (no disrespect to the chief) is using the same type of “isms” to downplay the real cause of death…
Sorry no matter which way you slice it or dice it, people die from AIDS, and people are killed by tazers.
I’m not a cop so I have no idea what it’s like to get control of someone, but tazers are a new technology to the police force.
My question is: “how on earth did the police force survive without tazers before they became available?”
To me it’s just a new and unnecessary gadget. The police force were here before tazers and they did fine. They’ll be here after tazers.
IMO, police need tazers as much as the public needs a new app for their Iphone…..u dig?
and if you think i don’t know what i’m talking about, here are a few clips rich
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUacwSRH79c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQgC2AGm_U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqTvJpqNpeU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqTvJpqNpeU (the last one is particularly disturbing..the cop tells a 72 year old woman to get down or “you’re gonna be tazed”
He used his tazer to get compliance. He was rude, pushy and controlling. He took advantage of his power and was obviously desperate to have a chance to use his new “gadget”.
What was even more disturbing, was the Chief downplaying the incident claiming that the lady did not sustain “any injuries.”
Injuries or no injuries, is this really necessary. Just another form of torture, for a control freak and masochist.
This cop of course is not like all cops. There are many who would never do something like what the last cop did, but it’s too tempting. Tazers need to be banned.
sorry..but it’s not necessary.
feel free Rich to peruse the miriad of videos on youtube. See for yourself them come back and tell me I don’t know what i’m talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejeSfQLS3LQ&feature=related
Here’s a good one for you.
bounty hunter tazes a baby….the bounty hunter claims that the woman blocked the tazer with the child.
Sorry but I don’t believe it. The bounty hunter fired and missed. He hit the child, then turns around and blames it on the woman….
how they twist the truth.
then you hear a police spokesman saying that the “child was struck but only sustained minor injuries”
Wow!!!!
once again the euphmisms abound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnV7e2eNbc&feature=related
this is a good one. 11 year old boy tased twice….didn’t respond to verbal directions, so he tased the kid….sorry but this is getting pretty sickening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxO8HOrDo0s&feature=related
not a tase story but very scary non the less….interesting how they don’t mention the name of the officer. i hope he was investigated and fired without pay….
most Davis cops are angels compared to some of these other guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxbBG_R7un4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQbjvyGUplU&feature=related
the rutherford institute..
check it out