Superior Court Judge Timothy L. Fall sentenced Ajay Kumar Dev, 42, for his multiple count conviction of the serial molest and rape of his adopted daughter, which allegedly occurred between January 1999 and December 2004.
California law mandates full and consecutive sentences for the 46 forcible sexual assaults. Fall sentenced Dev to the upper term of eight years for each of those separate counts after saying the factors in aggravation, including violation of a position of trust, outweighed the sole factor in mitigation – the defender’s lack of prior record. Fall also sentenced Dev to the legally mandated full middle term of two years each for two separate acts of witness dissuasion against the victim.
“A consecutive sentence of six years and four months was handed down for six other non-forcible counts of chid molestation for which the jury had convicted Mr. Dev,” stated District Attorney Jeff Reisig in a news release. “Judge Fall also sentenced the defendant to the upper term of three years on twenty-two other counts but the execution of those sentences was stayed pursuant to the Penal Code.”
At that hearing, dozens of family and friends filled the courtroom in support of a man they believed was innocent. However, at that time, most had to remain silent.
Attorney Michael Rothchild, representing Mr. Dev, filed for an appeal. “There is no doubt in my mind that Mr. Dev, who was sentenced to nearly 400 years, was wrongly convicted and is an innocent man,” Rothschild said.
Yesterday, supports of Mr. Dev spoke out for what they saw as a miscarriage of justice and the conviction of an innocent man.
Some have suggested racial motivations for the conviction and the sentencing to the 378 year term. They cited statistics on the percentage of people of color who are arrested for rape in Yolo County under Jeff Reisig compared to the overall population.
It was pointed out by means of comparison, Brett Pedroia, a white man and the son of a respected Woodland business owner and brother of a major league baseball player, only received a year sentence after pleading guilty to molesting a 9-year-old boy multiple times. A case which had physical and other evidence.
On the other hand, Mr. Pedroia instead of taking his case to trial, plead out, which would reduce the sentence drastically. Mr. Dev hired a respected and feared attorney Michael Rothchild who believes his client innocent and fought the charges to the end. According to family and friends, he was stunned when the June verdict convicted him on 46 forcible sexual assault on the victim.
Family members speaking yesterday, argued that Mr. Dev was wrongly convicted believing that the victim’s testimony was false, unreliable and had multiple points of contradiction. There was no physical evidence introduced at trial and the conviction relied completely according to the family on one line of a pretext call that the DA alleged was an admission of guilt by the defendant.
According to two blog posts from jurors, the phone call was crucial to the findings.
Juror Blog: “Yes, her testimony was difficult to swallow. If for her testimony alone, he would be a free man. The phone call is what put him where he is now. I am confident that we made the correct decision.”
Juror Blog: In the pretext call, Ajay admitted to having sex with the victim after she was 18. The exact quote is “You f$#*ed me after age 18, that means you gave consent”. The entire defense was that no sexual relationship occurred and that it was a story made up by the victim. With his admission, that defense was completely disregarded.
According to the family, the phone conversation recorded on behest of Davis Police Detective Mark Harmon, was partially in English and partially in Nepalese. They believe that that phone conversation was misinterpreted.
According to the family,
“The DA’s interpretation of what Ajay was saying to the accuser… was totally and completely false. Any misunderstanding is due to language and cultural issues which are often times lost in the translation process. Ajay was trying to explain to the accuser how our legal system works demonstrating that if a statement like this was made it could possibly ruin both her life and his. He was NOT admitting to rape.”
The family contends that the phone conversation lasted 50 minutes, during which the defendant denies the charges at least 27 times.
The Sacramento Bee reported yesterday that Deputy District Attorney Steve Mount believed that the trial was fair including competing translations of a pretext phone call that many say is at the heart of the conviction.
The Vanguard is in the process obtaining the defense’s translation the conversation to evaluate the context of the statement.
Royston Sim contributed to this report.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
The fact that 12 people (some who surely were from Davis) who sat everyday in that jury box for two months, were able to agree that Dev committed these crimes beyond a resonable doubt is good enough for me. I read that Dev tried very hard to keep the victim out of the country and even tried to have her arrested in Nepal to keep her from coming back to testify. That was the main reason why the trial took so long to get started. That action seems to show Dev’s consciousness of guilt. An innocent man would gladly seek a quick and speedy trial and not try to have his accuser imprisoned.
Banner reads: “Nepalis Demand Respect”? Isn’t the victim Nepali too? How about “Nepali Girls Demand The Right to Not Be Raped and Molested By A Trusted Adult In A Foreign Land”?
I’m all ears Metro, do you have any particular insight into this case?
[i]I’m all ears Metro, do you have any particular insight into this case?[/i]
Certainly in many cases a sentence of life without parole is over the top. It is often the outcome of some combination grandstanding, blind outrage, or blind mandatory sentencing laws. The response from Metro points to the problem: He is using the trial outcome as evidence that the accused deserved what he got. That’s circular, of course; if the trial was unfair then you’ll never know it by that logic.
But how are we supposed to evaluate the trial? It would be very nice to see not just this or that piece of testimony, but the entire trial transcript. If 100 people have the energy to protest the trial, I don’t know why no one has publicized a full trial transcript. It’s hard for any of us to have the “particular insight” that you ask for without it.
The material that is posted to this guy’s site, “Advocates for Ajay”, doesn’t much bring me to his side. The site makes him seem arrogant. Arrogance is a dangerous attitude to bring to criminal trial. It’s not necessarily a fair reason for a long prison sentence; it’s certainly not fair for arrogance to matter more than guilt. But common sense says that arrogance can bring disaster.
The “people of color” phrase is also a cavalier slogan in this case. It lumps together Asian Americans, African Americans, Hispanic Americans, basically everyone other than European Americans. Dev is a South Asian immigrant. Are they disproportionately in prison in California?
Greg: I’d love to both have and post a full trial transcript. But there is a problem with it, they are not readily or publicly available. They are the possession of the trial clerk and it is costly to obtain them. Apparently that is how trial clerks make their real living, they sell the trial transcript. Michael Rothchild estimated it would cost $20,000 to purchase it. Does that shock you? It stunned me.
I covered the event, because it was a noteworthy event and the 378 years make the trial noteworthy. I don’t know if I believe that he is innocent, I would love to evaluate the case and I think the transcript is a key piece. The rest of the evidence I can then look at and make up my own mind and then see where we are.
[i]Michael Rothchild estimated it would cost $20,000 to purchase it. Does that shock you?[/i]
That is a high figure, but is it the whole truth? Here is a quote from Yahoo Answers: “Trial transcripts are available from the court reporter who transcribed the transcript for a per page fee. They are not free unless you are the defendant and you are indigent and require the transcript for an appeal.”
I don’t know if Dev is now “indigent”, but he is the defendant and he has said that he wants to appeal. How would Rothchild or whoever appeal the case without a transcript? Or if there is no appeal, what would protests accomplish without one?
It’s also possible, according to other answers on the Internet, that an audio version of the trial is much cheaper, or that you can get a partial transcript with a per-page fee.
The transcript aside, I’m sure that you can find out the number of Asian Americans who are indicted for rape under Reisig, and not just the broad-brush number for “people of color”. You might even be able to get a figure for South Asians.
I’m not convinced of the racial component, I mentioned it because it came up, but I have seen enough cases involving white defendants that are just as questionable in this county as non-whites. That’s my way of saying, I’m not going to spend a lot of time on that issue. Now if I read the transcript and it is glaring, then that’s a different story. But my main focus is on guilt or innocence.
…..reminds me of the tapped phone call of former Ill. governor Blagojevich from which he was “convicted” of trying to trade Obama’s vacated Senate seat for cash. The actual transcript could just as easily be interpreted, not as selling the seat for money but rather doing what almost every politician(especially in Ill. politics) in this situation does, i.e., attempt to extract maximum personal political value(his phone-tapped expression was “gold”) from this power to appoint. Whether he was, in general, a good governor or worthy of the office is another issue.
Ajay Dev’s conviction, if truly based upon this one piece of “evidence” is certainly open to question.
[i]But my main focus is on guilt or innocence.[/i]
It could be unfortunate that both sides have made that the main focus. It seems like a big leap to go from molesting a teenager to life in prison without parole. Does it really make sense, either morally or financially, to throw away the cell key? This is a major reason that California is spending about as much on prisons as on higher education.
But if I have to believe that Dev is outright innocent to question the outcome, well, at the moment that seems like it’s asking for a lot.
Question??…. How much weight should the jurors give to this tapped phone call, even if accurately depicted? Evidently, what he admitted to was no crime(consenting sex with someone over 18). If he was caught in the lie that he NEVER had sexual relations with his accuser, making the judgement(however misguided, in retrospect) that if he admitted to this legal act it would seriously damage his innocent claim to the illegal acts. Should a jury dismiss ALL arguments of innocence beyond a reasonable doubt if the defendant is caught in one lie,not directly related to his guilt??
Stupidity of the masses has been a recurring theme throughout history, so it is no wonder that these “Nepali Freedom Fighters” would 1.) fight for the wrong issue (Racism had no element whatsoever in Ajay’s conviction, so their “Nepalis Demand Respect” slogan just makes them look silly and ineffectual.), and 2.) blindly disregard all evidence pointing to the REAL truth–that Ajay is a very sick man who deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison. Good grief, Charlie Brown!
Dev received the extreme sentence he did bc he was not willing to plea bargain. Unfortunately, that is the type of leverage a DA has and can use with impunity.
The defense attorney had the opportunity to have the telephone call translated “properly”, and present the defense’s version at trial.
I don’t see much in the way of issues to appeal in this case.
David, maybe you can get an interview with a juror from this case? I have no opinion on the fairness or correctness of the verdict. (I think we should, while presuming at that point that Mr. Dev got justice, be mindful that there have been many rape convictions which later proved to be wrong.) Yet I’d be interested to know from the perspective of a juror what was so convincing in the evidence he or she heard.
I was part of the pool from which the original jury was to be pulled, but the case was suddenly delayed and we were dismissed (apparently because of the defendent returning to Nepal, I have since learned). From the questionnaire we had to fill out, it was apparent there was a preponderance of evidence including videotape of sex acts with a minor. I think it’s wrong to second-guess the jury when they found the vast majority of the claims for the defendant. Without seeing or hearing the evidence, we don’t really have any information on which to judge, but I feel there was quite a bit of evidence, because some of the things we were asked if we were uncomfortable with were pretty graphic.
Anon: The videotapes turned out to be suspect and in fact of the 13 charges that were thrown out, several of them related to that issue. Apparently the videos were both placed on the computer and in fact made after the time when the girl was a minor and living in the home.
Not to mention that it’s old-fashioned and overblown to use porn on the computer as proof that someone is a deviant. If these were videos of their adopted daughter, sure, that would be serious criminal evidence. If they were just some videos from the Internet, everybody knows that all it takes is one Google search. There are law-abiding grandmothers out there who have porn on their hard disks. It’s not supposed to be child porn, but Google doesn’t do proof of age.
The more serious evidence included the recorded phone call, whatever it was that they said, and the reported fact that the girl had three abortions.
I don’t think it’s wrong to second-guess juries. It’s wrong to second-guess juries just for the sake of second-guessing. But especially when it’s a serious crime or a serious sentence, yes the public should look closely. Certainly after the OJ Simpson trial, I was never going to treat jury verdicts as gospel again.
The circumstances (and charges) were different than in the Dev case, but it was this case from North Carolina ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rascals_day_care_sexual_abuse_trial[/url]) which caused me to lose faith in some prosecutors and juries in alleged sexual abuse cases.
From Wikipedia: [quote]During the trial, children were asked to tesitfy about events that had occurred three years previously, with memories “refreshed” in therapy sessions, meetings with the prosecution and repeated discussions with their parents. While the alleged abuse was occurring, no parents noticed anything unusual about their children’s behavior to indicate abuse or torture. [/quote] Any time I hear about a “victim” whose memory had to be “refreshed,” my instinct is to think, “b*llsh*t.”
Rich, I assure you that this did not occur in this case. It was the exact opposite. The victims memory was less that perfect and at times unbelievable. Evidence would then be shown that corroborated what she had said. IE: motel receipts but from different month than she remembered from a motel just a couple of blocks from their home.
Amazed, as I’ve said, I have no opinion about the Dev case specifically. I have no reason to doubt what you say. I do presume that justice was done, but I’m not sure that is always the case in jury trials of alleged sexual abuse.
Let’s not forget the non-sanctioned secondary justice system. Child molesters are the lowest form of scum behind the walls of the California State Prison. In the prison hierarchy this guys “ass is grass”.
I can’t judge this case. However if it turns out that this woman was lying then she should go to prison – for 378 years!
DPD: “The videotapes turned out to be suspect and in fact of the 13 charges that were thrown out, several of them related to that issue. Apparently the videos were both placed on the computer and in fact made after the time when the girl was a minor and living in the home.”
Ok, but she was still his adopted daughter, right? He sounds like a perv to be sleeping with her at all, so it’s not a stretch to believe he also did it when she was a minor. It’s not “ok” to sleep with your daughter, no matter how old she is….
Yes if he was sleeping with her, then he would be a perv as you suggest.
The guy is Indian, no person of true Nepali origin has a last name Dev. So please do not call this prick a Nepali.
Thanks,
Nepal is being overrun by Indians
He’s from Nepal, so he’s as much Napali as someone born in this country is an American.
What does him having admitted to concentual sex with his adopted daughter after she turned 18 have to do with 46 under aged rape charges? I just dont get it how you can draw a conclusion based on such circumstantial evidence.
“Ok, but she was still his adopted daughter, right? He sounds like a perv to be sleeping with her at all, so it’s not a stretch to believe he also did it when she was a minor. It’s not “ok” to sleep with your daughter, no matter how old she is….”
unless it’s woody allen right?
http://judicial-inc.biz/woody_allen_with_mia_farrow.htm
I dont see where is the outrage with that case.
“Let’s not forget the non-sanctioned secondary justice system. Child molesters are the lowest form of scum behind the walls of the California State Prison. In the prison hierarchy this guys “ass is grass”.”
and you must know since you were obviously butt rammed many times in there.
“I dont see where is the outrage with that case.”
Actually there was a lot of outrage – just not from the Hollywood sector. But then Hollywood is known for sexual escapades of every kind.
Facts of Ajay Dev. Case is as outlined below:
Dear members of the Media, concerned citizens, activists, intellectuals and community leaders please corroborate with the court records and you will how accurate the information is.
I. Ajay was not found guilty of for any of the Pornographic charges
1. It was proven by defense that the accuser downloaded these porn material herself on her personal computer while Ajay and wife were out of town. She downloaded second time while Mr. Dev was at work.
2. Even though the defense had submitted evidence to court in advance with to prove Mr. Dev’s innocence on this matter, the court still allowed the DA to show pornography videos to the Jury before Defense’s turn was up to present its case. Jury was biased and prejudiced by this that defense could not able to overcome.
II. The plaintiff (accuser) was shown lying over and over to the court by the defense when she was on the witness stand. Se could not keep her story straight at all and said I don’t remember to simplest of questions. Se would say one thing and just get tangled with another lie she would state next. It got very bad.
2. several Nepali community witnesses took the sand and made statements that showed that the plaintiff was not telling the truth.
3. Nepali community witnesses also stated they had numerous interactions with the Dev’s and the plaintiff Girl and never saw any indications of rape or any thing bad by defendant Dev.
4. The plaintiff never told any one of the alleged rapes. Nepali witnesses stated observed a loving caring and a normal family structure.
4. It was presented that only time the plaintiff mentioned of rape to anyone was when he interfered in her relation with her boyfriend. It was presented that he interfered to make sure their relationship was in accordance with what is expected in Nepali culture.
III. The prosecution presented recorded phone conversation between the plaintiff and Mr. Dev. Tow or three sentences spoken in Nepali was pointed out that he said was the proof of Ajay’s admittance of rapes and guilt.
1. The recorded conversation showed at no time Mr. Dev ever admitting to sexual misconduct in English or Nepali.
2. On the tape, Mr. Dev did not admit to any wrong doing, he over 27 times denied the allegations, he stated “No, I did not” and “you are lying” 27 times.
3. As to the two or three sentences that that was spoken in Neapli (you F#$%&ed when you turned 18) DA said Ajay admitted to Rape by those statements.
4. US State Department Nepali Language Expert was brought in. He testified that he listened to the conversation over 16 times and analyzed the conversation in context of Nepali and American culture. The listened to the You f@#$ed me… sentence carefully.
5. The Language Expert pointed out that he had asked others to independently analyze the conversation.
6. The Language expert concluded that he did not hear at any one of those 16 times that Ajay admitting to the rapes or any wrong doings, he pointed out to the contrary—Ajay denied of any wrong doings over and over. He said never did the You F@$
“Actually there was a lot of outrage – just not from the Hollywood sector. But then Hollywood is known for sexual escapades of every kind.”
and yet you people choose a groping woman governor named arnold as head of your own state and your own jury always let these holywood people off. And don’t lie, it was very light outrage compared to this case and no one wished death or raped on Allen or even Polanski.
Cassandra, you must have known the accuser well. Before you continue to make statements without any much facts, and, express nothing more than your unfounded emotions, try to inform the community about the following:
1. I assume you knew her for years, did she tell you that she was being raped all the years?
why did she not report it?
If she shared it with you, why did you not report it?
is it not a crime to be be aware of the crime and do nothing about it on your part?
Or, did she lie to you as well and only conveniently tell you when she decided to revenge against Ajay when he interfered with her relationship with a guy. Perhaps, she did not consider you much of a friend. I find it amazing, that the entire Nepali community and all the family friends who interacted with her and the entire family all the time never ever had any hint of the phantom rapes that she claimed but some how we are to believe you for the facts. No thank you.
Let me ask you, what kind of friend were you to her if she was sharing the apparent rapes that were taking place and you did nothing about it, even if she did not. You did not go to the authorities, you told no one in general community or to the Nepali community. Perhaps you were not really her friend and just want to join the discussion for some frivolous attention and to show frivolous friendship support.
Let me also ask you, if were a real friend, were you in the court every day of the trial? did you gather all the facts from both sides? obviously no, but yet you claim to know the truth. If, not read the facts I provided below. Get your facts straight, read the court documents, talk to the people of the entire community that were involved in her life day in day out, much more than you ever were.
So, before you talk, be ready to provide the community the facts. Just what the world needs, a fake friend.
Anon, please see the facts of the case regarding any graphic materials or the translation of the tape by the defense. Dev was not found guilty of the pornographic materials on the computer. The defense proved through computer forensic that it was the girl who downloaded the porns on her own computer and not Mr. Dev.
Also, the tapes were translated and testified to by the Nepali Language Expert from the US State Department. The expert pointed out Dev denied any wrong doing over and over , 27 times. The two or three lines that Persecutor pointed out
Look at these slides and learn how prosecution can misguide a judge to win at any cost:
http://www.slideshare.net/Sheila.Berry/the-truth-about-wrongful-conviction
All techniques described here were not used.
When you analyze the facts, think of all the sequences of events, in a chronological fashion.
It all started when the victim threatened retaliation of Ajay’s involvement in breaking up of her relationship with her boyfriend. The family was aware of her promiscuousness nature, which is against Nepali culture. Premarital sex and even kissing before marriage is a taboo. (Let us not get into the rights and wrongs of this) Ajay/family had conversations with the boy and the victim thought that the eventual breakup was related to that. She then went to police and complained of abuse. No record of telling anyone that she was raped 3 times a week. The police questioned Ajay and put his through a Lie Detector Test Ajay PASSES IT!!! (Polygraph tests are usually not admissible in courts, because it can sometimes give faulty negatives.). The case was withdrawn.
After that, the victim goes to Nepal. She goes arrested in Nepal for Passport fraud and was jailed. Now she is stuck in Nepal and cannot go back to USA. There was no way out. She contacts the Yolo Police for help. The detective works with the embassy in Nepal to get her back into USA (They have provisions to do that for investigation. If Ajay is found guilty, she will get US citizenship, by US laws) she comes back to USA on a news passport, which was illegally obtained.
The new case is on. You know the rest of the story. Many of the information that would have supported Ajay was not allowed or ignored. Instead of defending justice, tactics (prosecutor misconduct) were used to somehow win the case. These include:
•Use media
•Withhold & ignore evidence
•Stretch the case to years to push the defendant for a plea bargain (by weakening him financially and psychologically)
•Use emotions to get Jury’s (which was predominantly women) sympathy
•Use tactics to physiologically manipulate the Jury, by presenting material unrelated to the case
•Do not allow sufficient time or do not allow key witnesses…
•Misrepresent facts
The list goes on.
It would be very clear to anyone who looks at this case with an open mind that the trial was unfair, the verdict was irrational and the sentencing was extreme. Racial bias also can be suspected considering other trials & sentencing.
The guardians of the law, used law as a cover to punish a man, knowing that he was innocent. The relationship of a father to his daughter and the relationship of the Police/DA/Court to Justice are equivalent. The “abuse of a child” and the “abuse of justice” both are crimes. You be judge of what crimes had been committed here.
It is high time we root our anomaly in our justice system. Fight for it. Otherwise, it will be you and me next. A foolproof justice system is the backbone of the freedom you and me enjoy in this country; including the freedom to participate in this discussion. That is not a small thing. Protect it at all costs.
Open up your windows and let some fresh air come in. Look at the facts and think rationally and independently, before jumping the gun loaded with emotions.
I like the ideas of David possibly facilitating a forum where the Jurors can express their facts, analysis and conclusions as to how they arrived at their decision. They have been talking through blogs but it may be better if they all came together and provided their position. The Nepali community will for ever be grateful.
There is a belief in the Nepali community that perhaps a group think led to error in jury judgment and wrongful conviction. It is possible that, as in many group settings, few are strong and vocal/Strong, others care but are willing to be led by the strong or are afraid to oppose the strong and just go along. And, then there are those that just don’t care one way or the other.
It is entirely possible there may have been people (the Strong) that would have convicted Ajay regardless of facts once the porn videos were shown; the pretext lines in Nepali (“You F@#$ed me after you turned 18….”) was presented with DA’s spin–and thus, they wold have been prejudiced –as such, it wold not have mattered what the real truth was after that.
The others who may have been more reasoning and after hearing the facts were not convinced with the position of the Strong but may have been strong armed by the strong.
Finally there are others who just want to be done and get it over with and go home since the trail took so long and probably did not care one way or the other. I have been on many jury and have seen all three kinds in every case.
Sometimes the people who get strong armed or did not care in passing judgment get bothered by their conscience if they know in their heart that that they erred and the consequence of the error was detrimental to the defendant and their family and friends.
I have heard and read of many people who voted for conviction and and were bothered by the error in judgment, joined the defense as the strong voice for undoing the wrong and leading to defendant’s freedom.
>>I have heard and read of many people who voted for conviction and and were bothered by the error in judgment, joined the defense as the strong voice for undoing the wrong and leading to defendant’s freedom.
Now that the Jurors can see the full picture of the story, rather than skewed view presented by the prosecution, I like to see them coming out in open and join the fight for Justice for Ajay. That is the right thing to do.
http://daviswiki.org/Jeff_Reisig
http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2006/12/2006-year-in-davis-review_6269.html
Hi mr. Greenwald, it appears that the web page is having trouble displaying the comments in a readable format.
What we have in the Yolo county is a SERIOUS Problem with the law envorcement and the justice system. This has gotten worse since the County has started to compete for the Federal funds for Gang Injunctions, Rape cases, and others. It appears since, the system has tried to target the most venerabl part of the population in order to secure the Fed. Funds and to put notch on their bels.
OK, what do I mean, Look at the statistics of the DOJ for Yolo County that shows analysis of Federal funds and the categorical conviction rates. You will note the majority of the convictions are of minorities, primarily Hispanic.
They are targeting minorities because they are least likely to be able to defend themselves, and most likely not not to get a fair jury. Immigrant communities tend also be afraid to be vocal in support of the defandant in fear of retaliation by the police and the legal system. Need I say more.
Look at the facts of what has been done to the immigrant community in this County for the past couple of years.
1. The Mexicans have been targetted–Gang related framing, sexual misconduct and others–you are alreday aware of what is currently going on.
2. Iranian community targetted by Police.
3. The Pakistani community – The Goats that got out..
4. Now the Nepali community.
Who is next? Have we covered all the ethnic groups in this county?
Nepali’s are fuming but as most immegrant comminities they are afraid to be vocal and visual in fear of retaliation. As such, more Nepali’s out side of this County line are speaking out more than the ones inside the County line.
What we need is Federal investigation. What is going on is type of railrodaing that used to happen to blacks in the deep south by the police, the DA and the judges.
We need to request a Federal investigation panel, hold hearings in the community, let the community members come and speak their minds and tell their stories without fear of retaliation.
Please keep this sotry and the matter alive, please encourage anyone who can make a difference to look at Ajay’s case and the others against other immigrent groups independtly. We don’t need anyone to take sides, what we need is some one to expose indepently as to what the reality is and the truth is.
I have yet to hear anyone involved with Ajay or his family to explain the comment that was supposedly taken out of context. I am begging for someone from his side to come up with an innocent explaination for a father to say to his daughter “You F$#ked me after the age of 18, that means you gave consent”.
Remember, the explanation needs to be believable.. Good luck.
“un”biased, you refused to answer this question on the other forum and chose to excuse yourself. I ask you again (or anyone)to please offer an explanation if you are so dead set that it was misinterpreted…
“Pleased”, I was informed that Daily Democrat works with the DA, including printing incorrect stories to support his election. I am really afraid, though I have not committed any crime by participating in this blog.(How can I trust the justice system at this point!!!!?) Unfortunately, my identity would have been already revealed and at this point, my family and I are really worried.
Sorry….
Btw, “pleased” I have already answered your question, many times. (Unfortunately I can’t give you an explanation you like to hear.) You are using the same “repeat” tactics, to have the audience circle around your story, the only weak evidence that was used to send an innocent man to jail for 382 years.
Sorry….
Initially, I did not suspect “racial bias” in this case. I only thought that “Winning at all cost” and “using tactics” to achieve that were the root cause for the unfair trial. But now, considering the political & racial environment that exists in Yolo County, I have more confidence in saying that “racial bias” has been played greatly in this trial. I can’t prove it though, but we need to compare and contrast with other trial and sentences. May be somebody else can help me. I do not have all the facts.
Hey all: be careful the coding you put into the comments, it became hard to read because of some coding. We had to take down a comment to fix it.
Yolo County has to be the worse county in all of CA to try getting a fair trial at and a fair sentence. I am willing to bet Nothing like this happens in Sonoma nearby, and that the county is even worse than the former king of the corruption Tehama.
I. Ajay was not found guilty of for any of the Pornographic charges
1. It was proven by defense that the accuser downloaded these porn material herself on her personal computer while Ajay and wife were out of town. She downloaded second time while Mr. Dev was at work.
It was not proven that anyone downloaded anything. It was shown that the porn was more than likely caused by a “porn storm” as the defense witness put it caused by a music download site. The only porn confirmed was the porn loaded by the defendant who needed it to assist with tests he needed to take..
2. Even though the defense had submitted evidence to court in advance with to prove Mr. Dev’s innocence on this matter, the court still allowed the DA to show pornography videos to the Jury before Defense’s turn was up to present its case. Jury was biased and prejudiced by this that defense could not able to overcome.
Obviously, showing the porn did not work, he was found NOT GUILTY of the porn. (for the reason listed above)
II. The plaintiff (accuser) was shown lying over and over to the court by the defense when she was on the witness stand. Se could not keep her story straight at all and said I don’t remember to simplest of questions. Se would say one thing and just get tangled with another lie she would state next. It got very bad.
The events were 10 years prior and no, her memory was not the best. Evidence did confirm things happened such as motel receipts..
2. several Nepali community witnesses took the sand and made statements that showed that the plaintiff was not telling the truth.
Not true
3. Nepali community witnesses also stated they had numerous interactions with the Dev’s and the plaintiff Girl and never saw any indications of rape or any thing bad by defendant Dev.
True
4. The plaintiff never told any one of the alleged rapes. Nepali witnesses stated observed a loving caring and a normal family structure.
True
4. It was presented that only time the plaintiff mentioned of rape to anyone was when he interfered in her relation with her boyfriend. It was presented that he interfered to make sure their relationship was in accordance with what is expected in Nepali culture.
After she had moved and came to realize that she would never be free of the defendant …
III. The prosecution presented recorded phone conversation between the plaintiff and Mr. Dev. Tow or three sentences spoken in Nepali was pointed out that he said was the proof of Ajay’s admittance of rapes and guilt.
1. The recorded conversation showed at no time Mr. Dev ever admitting to sexual misconduct in English or Nepali.
It was not 2 or 3 sentences. It was about half of the entire conversation in Nepali. In Nepali he told her not to report the rapes. in English, he told her to report the attacks and that he would defend himself.
2. On the tape, Mr. Dev did not admit to any wrong doing, he over 27 times denied the allegations, he stated “No, I did not” and “you are lying” 27 times.
Again, only in English.. Possibly when his wife was in the room.
3. As to the two or three sentences that that was spoken in Neapli (you F#$%&ed when you turned 18) DA said Ajay admitted to Rape by those statements.
Dont forget the following statement, “that means you gave consent”. Of course the defense was that no sexual relationship EVER happened.
4. US State Department Nepali Language Expert was brought in. He testified that he listened to the conversation over 16 times and analyzed the conversation in context of Nepali and American culture. The listened to the You f@#$ed me… sentence carefully.
That statement was never disputed. It was another statment about him kissing her versus sleeping with her.
5. The Language Expert pointed out that he had asked others to independently analyze the conversation.
Not true
6. The Language expert concluded that he did not hear at any one of those 16 times that Ajay admitting to the rapes or any wrong doings, he pointed out to the contrary—Ajay denied of any wrong doings over and over. He said never did the You F@$
Not true. That testimony did not happen
“UN”biased,
You nor anyone else has ever given a legitimate reason for a father to make that statement to his daughter……
I personally am not concerned about what teh Daily Democrat does, this has nothing to do with them.
Another thing I would like to add is that even in the bible god was able to forgive anyone including murderers (rapists as well I think) as long as they were able to change their ways and accept christ. If I remember correctly one of the saint’s was a former murderer or something that was saved. I think in this country there is a misconception that through harsh sentences and hard time people change and have their thoughts changed or ingrained into them by the system. I don’t think it’s true it only makes them worse, more hateful, resentful, and ready for vengence once they get out, plus prisons are crime schools to begin with. I think the way scandanavian europe handles it is the right way, and that is to treat criminals as people who made mistakes or have problems and need to be taught the right way to live or rehabilitated. God always teaches compassion and forgiveness.
You also have to realize that sexual crimes unlike others can hit anyone and especially males. EVeryone I think including most if not all women/teens like this girl was has hormones and hornyness. Anyone can be caught off guard and let those hromones dictate them esp if they are taught by society it is acceptable and not hard to get away with due to hollywood for example and woody allen being the prime example. Unlike other crimes like calculated murder a sex crime can hit anyone of any socioeconomic class that is why I do not understand why he got a sentence higher than a murderer. To take part in a calculated murder you really have to be a stone cold person or someone with really crossed wires due to your upbringing, but I am sure there are tons of people not caught for various sex crimes all over even Yolo county that are being hypocrites and commenting on these threads. Heck Arnold is just as guilty of groping woman as that dentist that was sentenced in that very county by that same crappy lawyer this Ajay guy got.
Also Miley Cyrus was dancing on a pole recently and I am not sure who set that show up, and movies like American Beauty, etc. really make a lot of men think teenagers are game and acceptable. Plus the disparities between age of consents in states and things people say online. So how can you people truly blame him and think that kind of a sentence is acceptable unless they proved he was holding a gun to her head every time he had sex with her?
It is not appropriate to comment on a sentence that is taken out of context. However, hope this helps:
Context: The sentence was taken out from a paragraph in which Ajay & the victim are having an emotionally charged discussion on the subject of her abortion she had after she was 18
Language: Nepali
While there is no direct translation for the word used, the closest English translation would be: “You (the victim) screwed me (referring to making him involved in this case of abortion) after 18, that means you gave consent (to the abortion)”
The f* word was the translation offered by the victim itself, which changes the whole meaning. The prosecution jumped on it and did not allow any other translations.
Remember, many clear denials of rape (“I did not do it”) was made prior to this paragraph. Also note: “YOU screwed me”, not “I f**** you” .
This is not an evidence to convict somebody.
the actual conversation went something like this:
Dev: You F#$ked me after the age of 18
Victim: Yeah, and
Dev: That means you gave consent
Victim: No, I never gave you consent
I had to listen to this conversation several times….
It had nothing to do with abortions. The abortion conversation was fairly early into the conversation and the above was almost at the end. Good try though.
Not to mention that the entire conversation started with her telling him that she had gone to a school conselor and told her about her abortions. She asked if she should tell the couselor about “me and you daddy”. He never said “what are you talking about, what abortions”, nothing. After he started crying, his only response was “why did you go to the counselor and whos phone are you calling me from”.
Not to mention that the victim had never mentioned a rape outside of the US. It was only when the defense attorney questioned her about any that may have occurred that she told anyone about it… How did he know that anything happened outside of the US unless his client had told him about it directly?
so pleased do you think all those girls hugh heffner f@ks who are like 19 while he is 80 are giving consent and think he’s an incredibly sex beast worth having sex with? And if you reply “they are because he is giving them money and fame for it” than you are not very smart. The reason being is even if it was cohercion in this case and she f@ked him because she relied on him for food, logging, or america, it was the same as high heffner.
>>>>>Not to mention that the victim had never mentioned a rape outside of the US. It was only when the defense attorney questioned her about any that may have occurred that she told anyone about it… How did he know that anything happened outside of the US unless his client had told him about it directly?
He (the deffense attorney) has a working brain, unlike you 🙂 The defense attorney tells him (client) what to do, not he tells the attorney what to do or say. Another weak speculation. Try again.
What does this have to do with Hugh Hefner?????????? I could care less what he is doing. If those girls want to sleep with him and get lots of money for posing nude, more power to them.
She was 15. She had no where else to go except back to Nepal. If you think that she slept with him for lodging, you are as sick as he is.
I do know that even Ajay’s wife admitted that the first trip to the abortion clinic was paid for by Ajay and that he was there. Even the prgnancy test was administered in his office. He told his wife about the trip 6 months after it happened……
FOLKS: This is very important, do not use the “at” sign in your posts, the software thinks it’s an email address and it’s causing problems. Further posts will be deleted regardless of content if they use the “at” sign. Just use “F” to designate the “F” word.
How did he know about anything outside the US then? BECAUSE HIS CLIENT TOLD HIM!
“She was 15. She had no where else to go except back to Nepal. If you think that she slept with him for lodging, you are as sick as he is.”
she only admitted to sleeping with him after she was 18 and probably even living alone by that time. The telephone call never proved or had him admit to her sleeping with him under 18.
The other thing is that you guys need to stop personalizing this, which I admit is difficult given the subject area, but that may also suggest that you are too close to this case to logically discuss this in a public forum. Nevertheless I’m going to start pulling posts that include inappropriate comments or personal attacks.
also do you think woody allen’s adopted asian daughter had anywhere else to go since he started on her below 18 as well?
Again, this has nothing to do with Hollywood. Woody Allen or other.
She admitted that he was raping her within 2 months of her arriving here at age 15. She reported everything after she was living on her own and out of their home (after 18)……
His defense was that NOTHING ever happened.
also many of hugh heffner’s girls have nowhere to go either outside the strip bar or prostitution scene he picks them up from and gives them a better life, so this girl actually had a non prostitution/strip scene at nepal to go to. And even if he did start having sex with her at 15 many of those girls heffner picked up started at that time too and didnt know any other life or had an education to choose another life, and some people aren’t even emotionally stable or mature at 18 or 19 anyway so how is hugh heffner any better?
and you say you could care less about heffner and woody allen (despite of him doing the same thing and not even going to trial due to the fact that girl unlike this one was bought off or loved him and didnt testify), how bout having a woman groping governor. Do you care about that?
I am done discussing Hollywood, if you have something specific about this situation, I am more than willing to discuss…… I have no idea why charges were never brought against Woody Allen….. Nor could I even begin to speculate…..
what about Clinton and Lewinski. Sure she was over 18 but it still is abuse of power, trust, authority and this girl only admitted to sleeping with him when she was over 18 as well.
and again, I repeat my previous statement…..
>>>> His defense was that NOTHING ever happened.
Yes. Nothing ever happened. That is why he passed the Lie Detector test. If he had actually committed the crime, the defense attorney would have asked for a plea bargain.
The problem here is Ajay did not get a fair trial. The prosecution conducted misconduct, by using the following tactics:
•Use media
•Withhold & ignore evidence
•Stretch the case to years to push the defendant for a plea bargain (by weakening him financially and psychologically)
•Use emotions to get Jury’s (which was predominantly women) sympathy
•Use tactics to physiologically manipulate the Jury, by presenting material unrelated to the case
•Do not allow sufficient time or do not allow key witnesses…
•Misrepresent facts
This does tally with the history of Yolo county trials. If not for prosecutor misconduct and unfair trial, an innocent man and his family will not be going through this ordeal today.
>>>not physiologically
Psychologically
>>>>”pleased” : That testimony did not happen
True – The defense was not allowed to refute nor given time to prove. However, the prosecution was given plenty of time to play unrelated video tapes to emotionally charge the Juries.
That makes two tactics of a big list.
Again Unbiased, I repeat. He was found NOT GUILTY of the porn charges so why do we need to continue debating on whether or not the video emotionally charged the Jury…obviously it did not.
There were 2 sets of translations, 1 by the DA and 1 by the defense. they were virtually identical with the exception of 2 points. One being the word “kiss” versus “sex”. The whole “you fu$^ed me” comment was not debated. Even the defense translation had that wording in there….
The testimony of a language expert stating what was admitted to and what was not, never happened.
also who are you to judge anyone, or anyone else’s culture when you live in a country that invades other countries causing death and destruction to civilians for oil while believing everything your biased media tells you?
Who’s culture am I judging? If that is directed at me…… I never mentioned culture. My information is not coming from the media…
I was not responding to you but the oakie doakie people form woodland making comments and judgements about other cultures or countries.
“I am done discussing Hollywood, if you have something specific about this situation, I am more than willing to discuss…… I have no idea why charges were never brought against Woody Allen….. Nor could I even begin to speculate…..”
Even if the girl in question didn’t want to testify why couldn’t just Mia Farroh’s testimony be enough esp since she claimed he molested other children of hers?
Oh and I think Ajay’s family should try hooking up with Woody Allen through his publicist and try getting him involved in this. He might throw a couple million in for a lawyer it would be pocket change for him.
If you truly want the Hollywood version, here goes…
It is a story of 16 people whos lives came to a screeching halt because they received a jury summons in the mail. Two months later, 12 of these people are stuck in a room reliving the disgusting details of one mans triumphant mistakes. They are forced to relive these details so that they can come to some sort of conclusion which will destroy lives either way they decide. They read, view, and listen to every single detail over and over. Eventually, they come to unanimous decisions on many charges and then discuss further to make sure everyone is confident with their decisions. There are some things they cant decide on and discuss those further. Eventually, they decide that they agree to disagree on those. They go into a court room carrying tissues because they know what is coming and they know what is at stake. As hard as it is to see people extremely emotional at the readings, they must continue. They think it is over that day but soon realize, it isn’t. Not by a longshot! They soon realize that they cannot open a newspaper or turn on a computer without their decisions there to slap them in the face. They are put down, criticized, and down right insulted. They try to continue with their regular lives but find it increasingly difficult….
THE END
Some one above said to have the tapes/audio recording of the conversation and the transcript be placed on this site/online. I agree, that would take lots of speculations about the pretext out.
It should be noted that there were two separate conversations. The defense was not permitted to present the first one to Jury. The shock and the what are you talking about… was part of the 1st conversation. By the time the second conversation took place, the Dev and his wife were already expecting the call. It is very possible that if that conversation is heard by some one from Nepali or Indo-American the interpretations will be significantly different. For example:
In Nepali culture if some one is being accused of outrageous allegations, it is not uncommon for the person to respond to control damage of family laundry being wrongfully placed out there and bring shame to the accuser and the entire family. For example, they would first respond by saying, why are you doing this? what have we done to deserve this? why do you want to bring shame to you and the family by going to others and talking about this. They would say something like, where are you, where are you calling me from? why don’t you come home, lets talk about what this is all about and then we will take what ever actions are really necessary.
Another common way one may hear if they are accused to something outrageous is, go ahead, say what you want, say I did it and OK so what if I did, it is the language and rhetorical. Go tell everyone I did it, fine say it I did.
In neither of the above stated instances would be an admission of any wrong doing if IndoAmerican, Nepali or someone versed in these cultures were to interpret the conversation.
What possibly happened with Dev case is that a conversation taking place in Nepali cultural context was interpreted by the jury by a western/American cultural context. They are not the same.
I think the audio and the interpretations offered by independent Nepali sources will really clarify things.
The jury did hear both calls. The first one was between the victim and her mother. The victim was asking for her father and her mother refused to allow her to speak to him. This is when they heard the victim talk to her mother about the photos taken and her mother does not respond (neither confirm nor deny that she has seen them).
S.Pali, If your daughter called you and accused you of raping her, would your first response be “where are you”? Wouldn’t you deny if untrue?
Pleased, I don’t know how I would respond. Since I am multicultural and multilingual, not sure how my response would come out. I stand corrected about the first call, thank you.
Again my speculation, mother’s silence may be the family’s shock, it is entirely possible, the discussion between mother and father prior to the second call led him to be expecting the second call and thus no shock comments from him. This possibly led to him asking about things like where are you? where are you calling from? why are you dong this? why are you going to others to spread the family laundry? , why do you want to place the family to shame? type of comments. This would not be outside of Nepali cultural and language context.
I am trying to offer other possibilities for the event due to cultural differences for interpertation . I still think the tapes should be placed online for members of both the Indo, Nepal and the American societies to hear. I will bet the interpretations will be very different that is all.
What I can tell you is that there were two completely different people on that phone. There was the English Ajay who was extremely voistrous demanding that she go to the Police and that he will go there also to defend himself. Then there was the crying, quiet, and to a point whispering Nepali Ajay who told her to not go to the Police and to not ever mention the events. Her career and college would be destroyed with her future and her family would be “shamed”. At the end of the call, he asks her to meet him the next morning to “talk”.
While I have no idea how different cultures respond to different circumstances, I cannot ever imagine a man being accused of rape by his daughter to repond as he did….
quit calling her his daughter. It is misinforming the public, it is his step daughter, not even bound by blood. heck the 24 yr old jerry lee lewis was closer to blood when he married his 13-year old cousin. He is still respected by this same society and is often called to weddings and such to perform. That goes on to my next point. Some crimes are pretty much timeless, while others evolve or change. Murder is a crime that was always seen as bad in our and most world cultures since the beginning of time, while under aged sex is really a recent phenomenom stepping from the online and digital reovlution. It was bad before that but not to the extent it is now and before the 70s it was even legal/acceptable in many circumstances like Jerry Lee Lewis’s. I do not know the ins and outs of this case and whether it was rape or cohercion or whatever, though personally like the Polanski case I don’t think both sides are telling the whole truth. The truth is never black and white it is usually gray or somewhere down the middle. Was she leading him on somewhat for favors or not saying no/I can’t when he made moves on her when she was younger? Again like the Polanski case those questions we will never know.
He adopted her… she was and still is legally his daughter.
By the way, I take offense that you think step-children should not be considered “real” children.
I mean you can refer to her as the step daughter, but he adopted her once she was 15 so that is also the difference between someone who has a kid form birth besides blood. btw I found something interesting. here is a sopposed rape victim who actually defends Polanski and is against harsh sentencing for sex offenders and even clames under aged sex isnt always so bad:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000591/board/thread/137083648?d=137161037#137161037
I am curious if that person is sincere or biased as people on here just in a different way? What do you think?
http://www.imdb.com/name/ nm0000591/board/t hread/1370 83648?d= 137161037#1 37161037
put the spaces together.
she wrote:
“My age is 45. I was born the year after Geimer and know the time period better than you do. I knew 12 and 13 year old girls who were sexually active with guys older than them. I knew 13 year olds who were going after teachers in school because they wanted to. I knew 13 year old girls who were pregnant by guys older than them. The year after I was raped, I fell in love with a 43 year old man and we were together for five years after that. So you ask me how I know teenagers’ thinking…. I was one during that period and I can tell you, during the early to mid to late seventies, we saw our parents having key parties and being sexually free.
I can tell you, had Roman Polanski seen a dolly carrying, gum chewing, pigtailed girl in Sammy, he wouldn’t have chosen her. PERIOD! There was something knowing about her, and if you look at her photos, she has this air of having been there a few times. She doesn’t have that Cindy Brady aspect to her.”
that same person wrote in a post above:
“I’ve stated this before, as a rape victim myself (the same year, funnily enough) I could never EVER forgive my rapist. And we rape victims have this ‘look’ that only others know. And I can tell you, neither she, nor Patricia Bowman or Desiree Washington have it. They do have, however, that $$$$ gleam to their eyes. I don’t care what the transcript of her testimony says, she could have lied. Happens all the time. But one thing I’ve never done, is forgiven my rapist. As for the pedestal, perhaps you should re-examine why you put Sammy there.”
>>>> They try to continue with their regular lives but find it increasingly difficult….
As the spell of emotional & psychological tactics fades away, as things become clearer and clearer, as the probability that their decision caused an innocent man to be locked up for life become more predominant , it will become even harder and harder. It would have been easier to stand up to their guts and intellect, rather than being a “team player”, when they had the opportunity.
As an engineer, I face the similar analytical challenge on a day to day basis. I make an unbiased analysis of what has been said, develop my own opinions around it and present to the team and stick to my guns. As a competent engineer, I do not have many reasons to completely reverse my ideas. In the end, unlike the jury process, a decision is made to select my design or another one. And then everybody including myself will agree with that. That is called “disagree, but commit”. You can’t do that in the Jury process. In the jury process, you disagree. That is it. Then it will be a hung jury. No second thoughts.
Was the jury’s behavior like this? Or were they “lead” to commonly acceptable decision as good team players? What was at stake was not an engineering design. It was a man’s life.
Having said that, I do not discredit the pain and emotional ordeal they might have gone through during those days. They are ordinary citizens like you and I. They probably did their best in the given circumstance. But the eventual discovery that they did not have all the information, the feeling that they were misguided, the feeling that they could be wrong, will be extremely painful.
here is another example:
http://pysih.com/2009/08/13/update-gang-rape-in-dunbar-village-in-west-palm-beach-florida/
or with spaces:
http://pysih.com/200 9/08/13/updat e-gang-rape-in-dunbar -village-in-west-palm-bea ch-florida/
Notice that in those comments people refer to them as monsters and such and never as children despite the fact they were teenager and the story of the defendant in the link said he was 14 when the rape(s) occurred. Notice how when an adult is involved and a defendant the teenager is always referred to as a child but when the teenager is the perpetrator he is never referred to as such. Also there is bias in genders it seems, females are looked at a lot more innocent than boys those ages in court systems despite the fact in school they ingrain that girls are supposed to be more mature (but are called children in courts while male suspects those ages are not).
pleased wrote:
>>>>>>>08/15/09 – 03:54 PM…
>>>>>>>Again, this has nothing to do with Hollywood. Woody Allen or other.
>>>>>>>She admitted that he was raping her within 2 months of her arriving here at age 15. She reported everything after she was living on >>>>>>>her own and out of their home (after 18)……
>>>>>>>His defense was that NOTHING ever happened.
Pleased, something you do not seem to know: Adoption happened much later after her first visit to USA. She was asked if she like to go back to USA and for her permission in the adoption. Adoptions proceedings involved physical and psychological evaluations and is a very extensive process. If she was raped within 2 months, I can guarantee that she would have never opted to stay with Ajay. Because, “being raped” is not an “enjoyable act”, if you do not know already. There would have enough warning signs. A poor Nepali or a bum in the SFO streets, both would never let her daughter live with somebody who raped her. Nepalese are human beings too… They too have something called “pride” and “respect”.
pleased also wrote:
…..
How did he know that anything happened outside of the US unless his client had told him about it directly?
……
Pleased, I do not know if you were a juror or not. The Jury was not present during the entire hearing, in the preliminary stages. Check the records. That is why people call this a “sham”. Shame to Yolo County and the entire nation.
Pleased also wrote:
…… Obviously, showing the porn did not work, he was found NOT GUILTY of the porn. (for the reason listed above) ……
Showing unrelated material to raise emotions in the Jury is a tactic employed. The Jury will subconsciously start seeing the defendant in place of the perpetrator in the video. It is a psychological tactic. Same is true in identification process with witnesses in other cases. If the police want to get a “YES” identification for a specific picture or person, what they do is to show the picture/person again and again discreetly (Six Photo Spread) so that the witness will start feeling familiarity with that person.
What you need is to look at the DA’s past record. It is very clear. His team has used unconstitutional and unethical methods in the past. We cannot call the DA’s office as ‘Guardians of justice’.
See the link:
http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2006/12/2006-year-in-davis-review_6269.html
read this part:
….”As one might imagine, given the large number of endorsements from key officials, Reisig had a strong and sustained advantage. He was able to out raise her and outspend her.
Despite these advantages, in the closing week of the race, it seemed close enough that Resig would pull out a very dirty campaign tactic. In 1999, while working as Deputy DA for Sacramento County, Pat Lenzi was involved in a serious automobile accident (a drunk driver hit her car) that had for a time caused her some memory problems. James Hawes was a sexual predator, who was convicted for committing a string of lewd and lascivious acts with a minor, sexual assault, and several other offense. This was a convicted sex offender who was trying to seize on this issue to get a new trial.
The Woodland Daily Democrat on May 31, 2006—just over one week prior to the election seized on this information printing an extremely slanted version of the story.”
Etc. Etc.
Just as you suspect that Ajay would have actually done it in spite of his successful polygraph test, you should also suspect that the DA’s office would have used “tactics” to win the case. “Pleased”, please do not just get “pleased” of everything you hear. Let your unbiased intellect digest some of the information that is coming through. Open up your windows, let some fresh air in, take a deep breath, and think…
This has devolved into an irrelevant thread. Bottom line is Dev has been convicted of a crime. His attorney will have to use the appeals process to try and set him free. All of this is out of our hands, so this dissection of testimony, claims and counter-claimes is silly at best.
Does “You F#$ed me after you turned 18….”) proved he raped 700 times???????
If you are convicting him over that sentence, punish him for that sentence, not for 700 times rape?
Did you get it????
>>>>>Anon: This has devolved into an irrelevant thread. Bottom line is Dev has been convicted of a crime. His attorney will have to use the appeals process to try and set him free. All of this is out of our hands, so this dissection of testimony, claims and counter-claimes is silly at best.
>>>>>
NO WAY. Dev’s case is one thing. There is a team working on the appeal process. This blog is not going to set him free. This blog serves a larger purpose. It is to ROOT OUT THE EVIL that is rotting our justice system. Remove the anomaly. Expose the villains. Us e the democratic process to clean up the system. That process has to continue. It will happen before Ajay gets out free. So do not underestimate this effort.
If I have more reasons to believe that he has really done it, I would reverse my opinion and ask for a fair sentence for his crimes. But that will not change a thing about my perspective about the Yolo County Court System’s handling o f this case. EVERYBODY I talk to agrees with my view on that. I do not think anyone is interested arguing about Ajay’s innocence here anymore, because it is pretty clear that there is more than a reasonable doubt he could be innocent.
Pleased is right. The job of a jury is extremely difficult, and emotionally trying. Even so, the task at hand is simple— if there is a reasonable doubt present, you must acquit. “Innocent until proven guilty” is supposed to be the paradigm we follow in this country.
Consider the following–
1. The jury acquitted the defendant of all crimes for which he had tangible proof he did not commit.
2. The accuser stated in sworn testimony that Ajay committed ALL crimes, including those he was acquitted of. This proves that she lied on the stand at least some of the time.
3. At no time did Ajay say, “I raped you.” At no time did he come right out and state or admit guilt. In spite of what a person thinks “might” have been meant by what Ajay said in that pretext phone call, the fact remains– he did not admit in clear and unambiguous language to anything.
According to the jury, the guilty verdict was based upon the pretext phone call. The questionable portions of the pretext phone call were translated from another language into English. No matter what you believe Ajay’s meaning was, there is no refuting the fact that those words were spoken in a language we don’t understand, from a cultural perspective that has nothing in common with the mainstream American cultural reality. There are cultural factors at work here which are invisible to an American’s eye. The DA and the judge, also Caucasian Americans, are just as blind to cultural context as the rest of us. The defense attorney was also a non-Nepali. In other words, there is no way a mainstream American could make sense of the words spoken, nor the intent, without an unbiased bicultural and bilingual Nepali-American person’s explanation. S. Pali provided us with one (see above). The Nepali translator’s testimony was several weeks before the DDA’s closing statement when he hammered his own personal interpretation into the minds and hearts of the jury. There was no way for the defense to call back the translator to clarify the meaning for the jury during closing.
To summarize– The jury did not receive an unbiased bicultural interpretation of the pretext phone call. The cultural confusion was not cleared up before the jury went in for deliberation.
There was no smoking gun. There was no evidence. There was no admission of guilt.
These facts, to me, are indicative that a reasonable doubt of Ajay’s guilt was present. What if the cultural bias of all the players in that courtroom, coupled with the prosecutor’s competitive desire to win at all cost (that’s his job, after all), landed an innocent man in jail for the rest of his life?
The only thing i did not agree with is the racial aspect of the DA protest. NEPALIS demand respect? If i’m correct, the girl was also nepali. Now, i dont know the facts so i cant and will not comment of the trial. The one thing is that the protesters should refrain from making this a racial issue. I understand the D.A gave pedroia less than one year and ajay 300 and something years-thats the point you want to target.
cheers
The only thing i did not agree with is the racial aspect of the DA protest. NEPALIS demand respect? If i’m correct, the girl was also nepali. Now, i dont know the facts so i cant and will not comment of the trial. The one thing is that the protesters should refrain from making this a racial issue. I understand the D.A gave pedroia less than one year and ajay 300 and something years-thats the point you want to target.
cheers
The following was posted in Daily Damocrat Blog by somebody named Jack Wallace. I do not know the facts first hand so I have no opinion on it, but I am reposting here. Thanks jake wallace.
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[QUOTE who=”jake wallace”]
Yolo criminal DA Jeff Reisig, mentally delusional on steroids, would never get away with if not for the judicial corruption in the Yolo superior court, Judge Stephen Mock a former Yolo supervisor, Judge Steve Basha, a former Yolo county council and (ret) Judge Donna M. Petre, presiding judge, 2005/06.
It’s criminal RICO all over again.
“But for many people the protest was more than just about the case. Some questioned the way the defense spoke about the Nepalese government, called the DA Jeff Reisig ‘racist,’ and asked for a federal probe of the Yolo County court system and along with a citizen review over all aspects of law enforcement.”
Selective prosecution. The day that DA Jeff Reisig, failed to hold now Sacramento chief probation officer, Don Meyer, and the county official’s that have concealed Chief Meyer’ criminal conduct, to now include Reisig, is the day that Jeff Reisig abused the office’s special powers and failed to protect the public interest.
(CV06-581-Yolo Superior Court 2006)
In on the scheme is now Judge Steve Basha, retired judge, Donna M. Petre, county council, Robyn Truitt Drivon and the supervisor’s, Helen Thomson, McGowan, now assembly women, Mariko Yamada and Duane Chamberlain.
How long will they get away with it? Will the Honorable Kenneth G. Petersen, Sacramento Superior Court Presiding Juvenile Judge, investigate CPO Meyer’ criminal spree after Judge Petersen appointed him?
How much longer will Reisig operate the grand as a the handmaid, to protect CPO Meyer and other reckless public official’s?
The court clearly concluded that the grand jury is free and independent in indicting the accuseds without approval or concurrence of the District Attorney. Recently a California Court of Appeal in the Case of Bradley v. Lacey, 53 Cal.App4th 883 (March 25, 1997), concluded this about Grand Jury’s powers: “It is apparent from the foregoing description of the grand jury’s powers with respect to public offenses that it is not the mere handmaid of the district attorney…. The decision whether or not to indict, to initiate a criminal prosecution, resides entirely with the grand jury.”
Please take a close look also at the case of Lorenson v. Superior Court, 35 C.2d 49 (1950), where the California Supreme Court ruled on page59 and 60 of the case that “A conspiracy with or among public officials not to perform their official duty to enforce criminal laws is an obstruction of justice an indictable offense at common law.”
“This means that if judges deliberately fail to report criminal violation by other, such as judges, as they are required by California Code of Judicial Conduct, Canon 3D, the silent judge just joined a conspiracy to obstruct and pervert justice.†Lorenson v. Superior Court, 35 C.2d 49 (1950); People v. Martin, 135 Cal. App.3d 710 (1982).
Judges, prosecutors and court commissioners are public officers. They are not above the law; no one is above the law. Unfortunately, prosecutors, county government lawyers and judges often misinform grand jurors and tell them that the grand jury “has no jurisdiction to investigate judges or courts”, but such a statement would simply be not true.
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Jack Wallace has a suit against everyone in Yolo County, I wouldn’t put to much into from what I’ve seen.
LAAJ NABHAYEKA AAJAYA KA PUCHHAR HARU …. THUKKKA!!!! TIMI HARU LAI AJAYA JASTO BIGREKO BRAIN BHAYEKO MANCHHE KO SUPPORT GARNA??!
YO 8 OR 10 JANA LE NIKALEKO BIRODH…!!! THUKKKKA ()TIMI HARU KO MUKH MAI PARNE GARERA.
what doesnt make sense is how this guy only got like 5 years and it’s the upper term or limit of the sentenced and he mollested a 6 yr old and another girl:
http://lakeconews.com/content/view/2095/702/
Interesting:
http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2007/01/khalid-berny-case-of-discriminatory.html
http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2007/01/commentary-some-things-are-just-not.html
https://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=133:deputy-da-makes-outrageous-claims-against-buzayans&catid=74:law-enforcement&Itemid=100
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http://davisvanguard.blogspot.com/2007/01/khalid-berny-case-of-discriminatory.html
Pleased wrote about the motel receipts. Just so that you know and as was in the evidence package, Ajay would go off to motel every time he would be upset and needed time to be by himself. He has done this many many times. Almost always his family members (yes any one of his family members) would go and meet him at the Hotel/motel and talk him into coming home. Here again the Jury failed to think things through.
Greg wrote about arrogance of Ajay. Think for a moment the cultural ARROGANCE and IGNORANCE the jury members applied to not FIND him guilt but to MAKE him guilty by failure and lack of any level of diligence. These people did not know or understand Nepali culture, people or the language. They heard the expert witness explain the You Fd me thing spoken in Nepal to mean nothing more than how we would say “you screwed me over after you turned eighteen”, yet they proceeded to give their own version of IGNORANT interpretation and cost this man his life and destroyed severed a family. If that is not ARROGANCE I don’t know what is. An innocent man falsely framed and convicted can say what, how, when and as loud as he pleases. He does not owe humbleness to anyone.
Each one of these Jury members have cost this man his life and need to do serious soul searching and reconcile with their soul and God and find peace. I don’t mean by begging God for forgiveness for their injustice and then just moving on. In my culture we believe in Karma, if you go good good will happen to you, if you do bad….
I sit here mourn the death of the innocence of my culture by the ARROGANCE, IGNORANCE of this Jury and this CORRUPTION of this system.
Sorry I left one thing out in my last post.
Even though I believe in Karma, the spiritualist in me wishes nothing but love, peace and goodness to everyone involved.
this guy is only facing up to 30 yrs for doing similar stuff to an even younger girl just not being legal guardian:
http://childsafetywatch.blogspot.com/2009/05/christopher-selfridge-accused-of.html
this county is 10x better than Yoloma:
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/content?oid=420886
http://thepotatovine.blogspot.com/2007/09/in-neighboring-county-controversy-is.html
To S. Pali, Purveyor of the Redundant (Part 1):
Here are my answers to your overtly illiterate questions:
1. I assume you knew her for years, did she tell you that she was being raped all the years?
No, she never told me about it. I have since learned that many rape victims often feel ashamed about what has been done to them, and rarely want to talk about it. They feel as though they are somehow responsible for what has happened to them, and feel as though they could have prevented it. Clearly, that was never the case. The victim could have never prevented what had happened to her, nor could she have in any way been responsible for the sick acts Ajay performed upon her.
2. why did she not report it?
Again, she felt humiliated and violated, and didn’t want to add feeling exposed to the long list of horrible things she was feeling.
3. If she shared it with you, why did you not report it?
She never shared any of this with me. She wanted a normal life so badly, and was ashamed at what happened to her (again, as many rape victims irrationally feel), so she told no one what had been happening to her—not even me, her true friend who has undergone much harassment from the Nepali community and even Peggy Dev herself. Who went to visit the victim every day that she was in California for the trial? Who stood by the victim’s side throughout it all? ME. In fact, if I remember correctly, I was the only one who called her regularly to see how she was doing while she was being held against her will in Nepal.
4. is it not a crime to be be aware of the crime and do nothing about it on your part?
I am not familiar with the law concerning these situations, but if I had been cognizant of the fact, I believe that it would be a crime, but again, I knew nothing of what was happening to my friend. Your questions are becoming more cyclical and redundant the further along this list I go…
To S. Pali, Purveyor of the Redundant (Part 2):
5. Or, did she lie to you as well and only conveniently tell you when she decided to revenge against Ajay when he interfered with her relationship with a guy. Perhaps, she did not consider you much of a friend. I find it amazing, that the entire Nepali community and all the family friends who interacted with her and the entire family all the time never ever had any hint of the phantom rapes that she claimed but some how we are to believe you for the facts. No thank you.
I met face-to-face with both young men who dated the victim—the two young men that Ajay TERRORIZED while each of them dated her. They both spoke of how Ajay constantly harassed them, calling them at all hours of the day/night, calling their family members, threatening one man with deportation, “anonymous” calls to the FBI for the possibility of “terrorists” living in Davis etc., etc. The list is virtually endless. The Caucasian man who dated the victim told me that he and the victim decided to break up with each other because they felt that it would be in his best interests, and for his and his family’s own safety. He specifically told me, “Dude, that guy is f*cking CRAZY!!” You’re very welcome.
6. Let me ask you, what kind of friend were you to her if she was sharing the apparent rapes that were taking place and you did nothing about it, even if she did not. You did not go to the authorities, you told no one in general community or to the Nepali community. Perhaps you were not really her friend and just want to join the discussion for some frivolous attention and to show frivolous friendship support.
Again, your questions are redundant. Read above.
7. Let me also ask you, if were a real friend, were you in the court every day of the trial? did you gather all the facts from both sides? obviously no, but yet you claim to know the truth. If, not read the facts I provided below. Get your facts straight, read the court documents, talk to the people of the entire community that were involved in her life day in day out, much more than you ever were.
8. If you were there every day of the damn trial, you would know that I tried to be there for the victim, but because of the sleazy defense attorney’s underhanded tactics, I was told by the judge that I was not allowed to be present during the trial because I was a “potential witness.” Unfortunately, the defense attorney was also incompetent, because I was never served my subpoena. If I had, I would have surely been the last nail in Ajay’s coffin. And, correlation does not equal causation. There have been many instances throughout history where the ignorant masses followed the words of one individual because they did not know better. This is a bit of a stretch, but Hitler is the first name that comes to mind. Just because you and your masses follow the lies of one man does not deem him innocent by any means. Look at the facts—the entire facts—yourself, and you will see that the truth, indeed, has come out—in the conviction, and in the sentencing.
9. So, before you talk, be ready to provide the community the facts. Just what the world needs, a fake friend.
You know so little of the victim, so little of what she’s gone through, and are so ignorant and refuse to educate yourself on 1.) the real facts provided by the victim, the jurors and the DDA (not the skewed b*llsh*t that is provided by Ajay and his ridiculously blind followers), and 2.) rape victims in general (read any pamphlet at any social service office/hospital/high school, etc.). Otherwise you would not be asking such asinine, blatantly ignorant questions. What the world really needs is for rapists like Ajay Dev to be removed from our streets, and for his blind, arrogant followers to realize that the real truth has been spoken. Now is not the time for surfeit pride, but for humble acceptance and perhaps a long-overdue apology to the victim. Oh, and I myself have offered tons of facts on many of these forums. Please pull your head out of your butthole, and perhaps then you’ll be able to realize that, if a=b, and b=c, then, yes, a MUST = c.
“No matter how far you’ve gone down the wrong road, turn back.” –Turkish Proverb
even this county is better imo:
http://www.topix.com/forum/county/tehama-ca/TML9B90F3L5B9CD9J
This is a response to “OM,” who posted this comment above:
“Each one of these Jury members have cost this man his life and need to do serious soul searching and reconcile with their soul and God and find peace. I don’t mean by begging God for forgiveness for their injustice and then just moving on. In my culture we believe in Karma, if you go good good will happen to you, if you do bad….”
OM, I was a jury member and want you to know that I do have peace about our decisions on this case. As horrible as it was, sitting in the courtroom and listening to the details of the case six hours a day, five days a week for two months, I am certain that our final decisions were right.
Our deliberations were difficult and sometimes contentious; every juror took this responsibility very seriously, especially the concepts of “innocent until proven guilty” and “reasonable doubt”. I prayed that we would find the wisdom to see the truth and courage to do what was right, and that prayer I believe was granted. To other jurors who may read this post, it was a great honor serving with you.
Cassandra,
I want to believe you and the accuser, I really honestly do. Why? Because as a victim of sexual abuse, I find it beyond horrifying to think that any woman would lie about something of this magnitude. As you said, most victims of sexual abuse never report it, due to the shame it evokes. I’m one of those people who never had the courage to come forward. If I had had a friend as vociferous and fiery as you appear to be, I may have found the courage… who knows?
As this young woman’s best friend, who says she honestly believes her story, I am puzzled about something. Why did you avoid being served a subpoena? I read on other blogs, as well as this one, that you were aware that they were trying to serve you, and you say here that you “would have surely been the last nail in Ajay’s coffin.” Why did you not make it your business to testify on behalf of your friend? Knowing that the attorney’s investigator was going to your home regularly looking for you, I’m sure it would have been relatively simple to contact the defense attorney or DA and make your desire to support your friend known. You have demonstrated in writing on several blogs that you are angry, articulate and not afraid, so why didn’t you testify?
Puzzled, I thank you for stepping up. It is no easy task to admit that you have been a victim of such a senseless and horrible act. It is true that on three separate occasions (that I am aware of), the defense attorney hired individuals to serve me my subpoena. Unfortunately, the defense attorney was either incompetent or for whatever reason, didn’t really want me on the witness stand, because his hired help chose to serve said subpoena during times when I was at work, or on vacation. In two instances, I was at work, taking care of an elderly disabled woman who just recently passed away. I would make dinner for her, do some light housekeeping, and just keep her company. But, because her husband worked swing-shift, I rarely came home before 11p.m. On one other instance, I was away up in Mendocino spending Memorial Day weekend with my now-fiance and his friends. If you’re a college student like me (or have ever been), then you’re aware of the strains that college can provide, so a weekend away was a welcomed reprieve.
I told the police detective working on this case that I would gladly take the stand on my friend’s behalf, but by the time the defense attorney saw fit to get his (excuse my language) sh*t together, the trial was wrapping up, and my testimony wasn’t needed.
Again, if I had been served my subpoena, I would have gladly testified on the victim’s behalf. My knowledge of the goings on in the victim’s personal life would only have added fire to Ajay’s damnation.
Oh, and I forgive you, Ale, for being a back-stabbing, lying, self-serving b*tch.
Oh, and one more thing, Puzzled: If you really were the victim of sexual abuse, your sentiments would have immediately leaned toward support for the victim and not toward one of doubt and suspicion, especially if you were in that same situation. If anything, this case would have brought back memories of your own traumatic experiences, and would have elicited emotions of sadness, horror, and outrage over what has happened to my friend, not to mention satisfaction that justice/karma/comeuppance has truly been served in the form of a 378-year sentence. Since I only see doubt and skepticism from your questions, I can only determine that you’re either an outright liar, an individual who has truly been scarred by her own traumatic past, or another one of Ajay’s supporters who possess no real desire to find the ultimate truth, but rather to come up with rhetorical questions that you do not wish to hear the answers to. In any case, I sympathize with your plight, and hope that you can find peace, whatever your true situation might be.
Namaste.
Jury Member,
I am leveraging on things already discussed above to avoid repetition.
The main question is in focus is the “You F–d me after you turned 18 sentence spoken in Nepali”, interpreted by the Nepali Language Expert Witness who said it did not mean any type of admission of guilt by A. Dev in a cultural and linguistic context. How can one be confident with how jury interpreted this over the independent expert’s interpretation — especially since the only other interpretation was from the plaintiff herself and presented by the DA (not an independent source for determining guilt)
To the best of my knowledge, no one on the Jury was very familiar with Nepali culture or language. Would there not be a very high risk of projecting western culture over the Nepali culture and language and perhaps coming to a very incorrect conclusion? DA gave his own interpretation, he also is not an expert or independent to rely on for the cultural context meaning. Is that not why we have experts explaining things to the Jury? Am I missing something all together?
I am really very curious to know how is it this jury confidently, in a step by step logical fashion in full consideration of culture and language context interpreted “you f—-ed me after you turned 18 and that means you gave me consent” (spoken in Nepali), to mean something different than what the expert witness said. What makes that 27+ times him stating that he did not and denied any wrong dong on the phone in English believable and the words he spoke in Nepali unbelievable? A detailed step by step account would be more helpful than a general statement.
What everyone seems to be missing here is that so much of this case was about the Nepali culture. everything from
1. How Nepali parents are extremely protective and can harass/intimidate guys their daughter(s) date especially the if they are not approving of them — it does not matter if she is an adult or not, it applies to all unmarried children (I also know this is not the case only in Nepali culture, it is also true in Pakistani, Iranian, Indian, Punjabi and other cultures). in Mr. Dev’s case, he did not clearly approve of either of these guys sneaking around with his daughter. he especially did not care for one of the guys because he was involved in some bad/illegal stuff. The second one was just sneaking around with her without Mr and MS. Dev meeting, knowing and approval. Again, if you look at it from western culture, we would say, well she was already an adult, and he had no business keeping tabs on her, but that is just not Nepali culture. Parents make sure they are involved until their kids are educated, married and settled–this is true whether or not their kids want them to. If interpreted with cultural understanding, Mr. Dev harassing the two guys she dated, would not mean something to the effect, he wanted to keep he to himself for inappropriate reasons.
2. How if kids make some outrageous accusations, the way parents go about handling can be very different than western parents. Nepali parents, would first want their kids to come home and talk rationally with family and extended family, and then, figure out what needs to be done next. They would not want their kids to go talk with everyone (police, counselors, others, etc) else before talking things out thoroughly at home. Dirty laundry out there is something that brings families extreme shame. So, telling kids that make outrageous accusations to come home first to talk and not just spread things that are not correct out there would not be indication of wrong doing from that culture. In the western culture, it can be seen as inhibiting the kid with some type of malice intent. Not so, with Nepali culture.
Thank you for letting me provide some cultural context. I am really interested in the response to the [u]“You fuc— me after you turned 18 and that means you gave me consent” [/u]question above.
What I am looking for here is not necessarily to be right but more to understand and satisfy my curiosity as to the reasoning behind the Jury’s decision on this particular item. Thank you in advance.
S. Pali
I can assure you that the jury did look at that statement and tried to figure out other explanations for it. Unfortunately, they kept coming back to “you gave me consent”. Had the statement been “you f–ked me” or “you are f–king me” it could have been misinterpreted. The jury kept coming back to “what does consent have to do with screwing someone over. Please remember that for 2 months, the ENTIRE defense was that NOTHING ever happened. It was all her imagination.
I have also come to realize that in Nepal and other countries, a young girl would by no means go to her father if she thought she was pregnant out of wedlock. In this case, she did, and he paid for her “abortion”. Have you ever heard of a Nepali father going along with his Nepali daughter to an abortion clinic AND paying for whatever services are rendered?
I am really interested in what the Nepali Expert witness said about the whole thing (including the words you gave me consent): “you f—-ed me after you turned 18 and that means you gave me consent”.
We can discuss the other item you bring up next. thank you.
Pleased,
my last post is intended for you.
There were 2 sets of transcripts. 1 that the DA had done and 1 that the defense had done. There were only 2 items that were in contest. 1 was a word that the DA sais meant “sex” and the defense said meant “kiss”. I honestly dont remember what teh other was but it was not the phrase you are asking about. The defense NEVER contested that phrase. In fact, the defense never even brought it up or mentioned what it was said to mean according to them. They only said that it was out of context to mean that they actually slept together with no other explanation. The jury attempted to come up with some other “meaning” but like I said, “you gave me consent” kept making everything else make no sense.
I find it interesting that S. Pali keeps on bringing up the context of the “Nepali culture,” and yet what he/she refuses to admit to is that Ajay is an American citizen, and should have known how to conduct his behavior in accordance with the parameters of our “western culture.” He has lived in the U.S. for over 30 years, and so he should have known that calling up individuals that one has no association with and threatening them in any way is unacceptable in ANY culture. Your logic, is then stunted, Pali. Lie down before you make a bigger mockery of yourself.
Cassandra, now, are you the PHD multicultural and cross cultural behavioral expert? Please keep to logic and out of emotion.
I don’t know what your level or field of your eduction is but you may recall the Angle Island days the effort to make Chinese Americans the mainstream Americans — trying to wash the Chinese out of them, the Japanese American during the camps made to feel shamed to be Japanese- tried to wash the Japanese out, remember the 1950s where children of the Mexican immigrants were banned from speaking Spanish or being or acting Mexican–washing the Mexican out of them. What do each of these things have in common, none of washing out the culture by the mainstream and the government was ever successful.
Similarly, a culture unlike the color of fabric can not be washed off just because it co exists within a mainstream culture. This is especially true of Asian and other cultures that re strongly rooted in extended and elaborate families, society, social and traditions, language, arts music, etc. Being here 30 or 50 years does not change how they react or deal with things to a mainstream norms.
There is a saying that if one is less than 30 points in IQ than the other, it is best not to engage in intellectual discussions with that person. Only best outcome of this would be emotional reaction from the lesser IQ individual.
Pleased thank you for your honest response. I am still not sure if Jury was placed in a fair position with enough cultural interpretation from both sides and perhaps was left in an unfair position to use their own interpretation.
Well, then, S. Retarded, since your I.Q. is clearly at a below-average level (i.e. at around 70, whereas I was tested multiple times and arrived at the level of 140), I highly suggest that you keep your incessantly embarrassing comments to yourself. Oh, and by the by, I come from a highly cross-cultural family, so my experience is first-hand. Additionally, I have taken several classes on Asian American culture, and have learned all that I care to know about the Nepali culture. I’m half Asian, and half Mexican, so don’t start talking to me about cultural b*llsh*t that you know nothing of. I also know about the horrible history, and I know that cultural assimilation in another country is highly desired in order for people to be successful. Clearly, Ajay knew how to do just that because his climbing of the financial ladder was evident. Don’t insult me and the other readers of this forum by bringing up irrelevant topics and by defending this rapist by using his culture as a crutch. You only shame yourself and those you associate yourself with.
Like I said before to those people hoping he’ll get raped in prison or killed or that prisoners somehow hold this “code of honor” for society or whatever crap you people spout. Just read this article about an aryan brotherhood hit on a cop that was absed on the cop killing a leader who himself killed his pregnang girlfriend (so in essence a baby killer):
http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/news/Three_Aryan_Brotherhood_Members_Accused_of_Plotting_to_Kill_NM_Deputy.html
“The letter was written in April 2005 by Richard “Hawk” Aue, a general of the Aryan Brotherhood who remains in prison in Texas, to AB members allegedly directing them to kill Anders to avenge the death of one of their own. Anders, an Otero County sheriff’s deputy, shot handcuffed Aryan Brotherhood leader Earl Lee Flippen in December 2004 during a domestic violence callout in Cloudcroft with a fellow deputy. Anders filed the fatal shot after finding his partner shot dead by Flippen and Flippen’s dead, pregnant girlfriend in a closet.
Donald “Donny” Wilson, the prosecution’s star witness in this and two other related cases that have yet to be tried, was among recipients of the letter, which he translated almost line by line.
“Evil ones” refers to cops and corrections officers, Wilson said in response to questions from Assistant U.S. Attorney Randy Castellano.
“Aunt Claire” means a rival gang, the Aryan Circle.
“Kites” are letters. They are sent to “hubs” or secretaries, usually women, living outside prison who redistribute them to AB members in prison.
Aue’s letter complains about Flippen having “sugarcoated and straight out lied to me,” “getting his pregnant girlfriend and himself done in” and drawing negative, unwanted attention to the Aryan Brotherhood.
“Whatever Flip was doing it wasn’t for us or about us & he sure as hell wasn’t holding our brand as he should’ve,” the letter says.
But Wilson said that language was to throw off law enforcement officers Aue knew would be reading it.
Wilson testified that the letter contains a coded directive for murder – when he says “anyone who thinks I am not taking this serious is smoking crack,” calls for more “descretion” and announces plans for starting a “number system,” which Wilson said referred to identifying tattoos of true AB members.
Defense attorneys are sure to contest his reading when they get a chance to crossexamine Wilson. Cook’s attorney Bernadette Sedillo said in her opening statement that Flippen was on the outs with the AB leadership and the AB didn’t plan any action in retaliation for his death. Leaders suspected “Flip” of betraying the organization, she said, despite its requirements of a “blind-faith commitment” and an irrevocable lifetime membership.
And Stephen Hosford, who represents Thompson, an AB general, told jurors the letters written in prison slang “are subject to a lot of interpretation, Wilson can interpret them in a way beneficial to his interests.” “
This shows that they don’t care about kids, or baby killers and Im sure child mollesters as well. All they care about is money and profit and if you can prove yourself to them by being extremely violent in there no matter you’re crime Im sure they’ll find use for you and you’ll adapt to the environment. They aren’t some righteous morality police or anything like that in there, it’s all for themselves wolves vs wolves. I mean look at the Hell’s Angels, back in the 60s they raped some 14 yr olds and still had support from their crew. Maybe I’m wrong in a way though, maybe only mollestors/sex cirminals/baby killers/etc. that are unaffiliated or uncriminal are targeted but those who have power or backing aren’t?
I also remember watching a prison documentary on msnbc called Oak Glenn heigths or some weird prison. Anyway some huge tatted up and buffed out hispanic dude was out of control in that prison and virtually untouchable. He was in there for raping a 12-yr old they said. He also cohersed a female guard to commit crimes for him on the outside and started a riot. So yea it may be harder in there with a bulls-eye on your head but it doesnt have to be impossible to prove yourself.
Posted at http://www.advocatesforajay.com
Yolo County District Attorney’s Office Cease and Desist.
Stop lying to the People of California!
We will not permit the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office to continue to perpetuate lies and to spin stories in the case of Ajay Dev. We are here to expose the DA’s office for the corrupt practices it engages in, including outright lies to the public in and out of trial in order to gain convictions. The record will confirm the following facts:
Deputy District Attorney Steve Mount said that Ajay kept the accuser out of the country to avoid prosecution. However, he knew the accuser dropped the case a month before going to Nepal. Mount kept the Nepal Court documents out of evidence because he knew it would show the accuser (an adult) was convicted of criminal passport fraud by the Government of Nepal, and that the conviction was upheld in their Appellate Court. It would also show the accuser as a manipulative, not so innocent girl contrary to the picture the DA’s office has painted in the press and in court. Mount knew these documents would show that the accuser had a motive for re-opening this case against Ajay, without this case she could not immigrate back to the US. Mount knew that in 2006 her own biological father told them, it was the Nepal government, NOT Ajay, who put the case against the accuser, and that is why she was kept in Nepal.
The DA said Ajay followed the accuser to Nepal. Ajay went to Nepal before the accuser. Ajay and his father traveled to Nepal due to a death in the family of his first cousin who was responsible for the lives of 8 people, leaving them with no means of support.
Mount told the jury that Ajay never denied the allegations in the pre-text call. Ajay directly denied the allegations 27 times, indirectly 25 times–in English and Nepali–throughout the 50 minute call. Mount said Ajay admitted to the crime on the pretext phone call. If Mount’s assertion is true, then why didn’t Mount arrest Ajay in 2004 when he allegedly admitted it? If there was an admission of guilt, why did the accuser admit multiple times on the taped phone call that Ajay did not give her the admission she wanted – because it was NOT an admission.
Mount said Ajay showed the accuser pornography. The court record shows Ajay was found NOT guilty. The pornography was not on Ajay’s computer, as Mount claims; it was on the accuser’s computer. Forensic evidence showed that the pornography was being viewed while Ajay was at work, and was NOT viewed after she moved out of the home.
The DA said Ajay was responsible for three abortions. Ajay was NOT found guilty. Evidence shows the accuser did NOT have 3 abortions. She only had 1 abortion and coincidentally a boyfriend (NOT Ajay) at the time. She indicated on clinical forms her sexual partner did not have any other partners (Ajay is married). I t was proven that the accuser forged Ajay’s signature on a clinic document trying to frame him.
If the evidence in the case against Ajay Dev is strong enough to merit 378 years in prison, why the lies? What is more important the TRUTH or winning the case! The DA Jeff Reisig and Deputy DA Steve Mount are trying to conceal the truth. Stop lying to the People of California!
Information,
And all of this should be taken as gospel since it is posted on Ajay’s website? Since you are apparently from New Haven CT, I will assume that you did not hear anything directly in court and your information is coming from that bullsh** website or his family…..
The only ones who are guilty of a crime is the jurors who were swayed/bored/tired/and misled under false pretenses by a Judge and a DA. Wake up people! You have to live with this for the rest of your lives too.
Pleased….you are guilty….correct? Why don’t you just critically reexamine the facts….This is corrupt. This could just as well happen to you. I am sorry for your ignorance. Please just be pleased that you feel you are correct in your own mind and stop the terror. Besides we all know who you are. (I was at the trial every day). May God have mercy on your soul.
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What I can tell you is that there were two completely different people on that phone. There was the English Ajay who was extremely voistrous demanding that she go to the Police and that he will go there also to defend himself. Then there was the crying, quiet, and to a point whispering Nepali Ajay who told her to not go to the Police and to not ever mention the events. Her career and college would be destroyed with her future and her family would be “shamed”. At the end of the call, he asks her to meet him the next morning to “talk”.
While I have no idea how different cultures respond to different circumstances, I cannot ever imagine a man being accused of rape by his daughter to repond as he did….
Based on this? If this were you you would too demand a retrial! Foolish and will always weigh on your mind…Why do you continue to justify yourself if you know you are correct> The facts are, ‘THIS IS NOT JUSTICE!’ I hope you don’t find yourself in position like this. May GOD heal your absence and you find strength in a fair and just life. Seriously…this man is innocent. You must understand the depth of the culture—-Instead of spending your time defending your poor finding, why not investigate properly. Dig in and the truth shall set you and your comrades free. Free from guilt.
I dont have to worry about finding myself in this position.. I have never and will never rape little girls.
I find it interesting how people have come out of the woodwork claiming to have been in the court room every day and witness everything. Unless they had the power of invisibility, they were not there.
By the way Todd, I sleep very well at night knowing there is one less pervert, child rapist off the streets.
Pleased,
You may not find your self in this position in this lifetime. It sickened me to see you and the other two jurors smoking your cigarettes smiling away while you chatted with the DA and Investigator on the side of the courthouse. That is the problem…you all were way too close…and you think you really made a just decision? Come on….I saw you eating lunch….walking too and from various places in town with those guys…..even while the case was going on? Three of you in particular—I am not going to get personal but I think this behavior was similar to the too close relationship that the Judge and DA shared. Just a matter of time….until you all are exposed. How possibly can hundreds of supporters be wrong and twelve jurors with not enough respect to wear more than a pair of jeans to court be right? See you around.
No one from the jury “hung out” with anyone from the case. After everything was done, a jury member may have chatted with the DA or the Investigator. No foul there.
I assure you, you NEVER saw me (or anyone from the jury) eating lunch with the DA or Investigator.
If you are trying to intimidate or threaten me, you really need to come right out and say it…..
I could be wrong, but I thought there was a standard six month gag order on jurors writing about a case–am I wrong?
jurors can talk about a case. They cannot be paid for interviews for 90 days.
Okay, my apologies for insinuating otherwise.
Pleased,
Like I said, nothing personal, just telling it like it is. Why is it that you were not seen chatting away with Ajay’s lawyer? Because it would be wrong! Either way you had no moral justification for doing so….As I stated before you and a couple other jurors had an invested interest in the DA and the Detective. Call it a relationship, friends, or chatty pals. It was poor behavior by the jurors and showed proof to all that you had favored one over the other. Weak. It is just a matter of time until an innocent man will get a new trial with a REAL JUDGE and JURY. Think about how many lives have been affected by your brainwashed decision, how many tears have been shed….And you fall for the fake crocodile tears of the DA? See you around.
His lawyer had as much opportunity to talk to the jurors and ask their opinions. He did not take that opportunity at the time. He chose to do it later by phone. There is no friendship, relationship, or chatty pal issue. There was no anything during the trial. After everything was done, the jurors were asked questions and they answered.
I wish you luck with a new trial…..
“Fake crocodile tears”… Liberal with the many redundancies noted amongst the Ajay supporters… And if I’m not mistaken, I was the one who noted the crocodile tears–not from the DA, but from the multitude of lemmings littering the courtroom that day (I’ve never heard such ridiculously fake sniveling in my entire life. You guys should have at least hired an acting coach!). I’m just DYING to see the looks upon all of your faces once you realize that Ajay has run out of appeals, and that he will rot in prison for the rest of his life for a crime that he was rightfully convicted of. The way you people go on, you’d think he was the second Christ, the next Krishna, or Allah come down to grace the world with his presence. Face it: he’s just a regular human who did some terrible things, and now he’s got to pay for what he’s done. He’s no more “generous,” “kind,” “compassionate,” or “caring” than the next rapist is with his genitals/digits/etc.
Oh, and if you were paying any attention to what Pleased said about the case, Todd, you’d know that he/she initially believed Ajay to be INNOCENT in the beginning of the trial, so if he/she had any issues of moral turpitude, it would have been his/her initial bias leaning FOR the rapist, and NOT AGAINST. Simply because one’s (factual) views do not mesh with your own (fictional) views does not mean that you are absolutely in the right. Pull your head out of your a** and give karmic justice–not your “God”–a go.
Cassandra,
So you are the other juror….You are right! This about Karma-YOURS. Nothing about this case is factual….that is the point! We are all fools, fighting for a guilty superhero? NO! This case was a sham that will be repaired. Initially innocent, then swayed by crybaby tactics (is that pleased excuse?). The language was misinterpreted in the phone transcript….That is beyond a reasonable doubt? I don’t think so….and that is why you found him guilty? Suptna did not even say anything beyond, I don’t remember or I don’t know. NO EVIDENCE! The case was all built up by a racial DA with a biased judge and a WEAK & EVIL jury. You are no better than any person to judge the way you are. I am only fighting for what I know is the truth…you are only defending the poor and fast decision you made. I am done here…..see you around.
Racial profiling is alive and well in Yolo County. Under DA Jeff Reisig, 80% of all arrests in connection with alleged rapes where people of color who make up only 42% of the population in Yolo County. Under his regime there has been a 52% increase in the number of people of color arrested for rape and a 48% decrease in the number of White people arrested for rape. These statistics are well askew of national statistics. Nationally, since 1993 rape in general has declined 50% with White rapists still in the majority. According to US Justice Department statistics, 52% of all rapists are White. There is a problem here in Yolo County , and now an innocent man’s life and family hang in the balance because of it. The case of Ajay Dev is another view into the corrupt and racist Yolo County justice system at the center of which is DA Jeff Reisig and his gang at the Yolo County District Attorney’s office.
With no evidence, except the word of the accuser, the DA has chosen to prosecute an innocent man accused of rape simply because of his race, and to pad the Yolo DA’s highest in the nation conviction rate. Through blatant lies, the obfuscation of the only factual evidence, and Judge Timothy Fall not allowing the jury to see all the evidence of the defense, an innocent man now faces 378 years in prison for a crime there is no evidence he committed. Judge Fall would not even allow official documentation from the government of the nation of Nepal that would show that the accuser was not only lying but guilty of criminal passport fraud for which she was arrested. It would also show the accuser as a manipulative, not so innocent girl contrary to the picture the DA’s office has painted in the press and in court. Judge Fall has set a dangerous precedent here refusing these documents and needs to be called to the floor by the State Department.
Brett Pedroia, a White man, receives 1 year in County Jail after pleading guilty to molesting a 9 year old boy multiple times, where there was physical and other evidence, but Ajay is given 378 years on a weak case with no evidence. As a matter of fact, the evidence that is available exonerates the defendant and directly contradicts the DA’s only witness, the accuser. This along with many other instances of impropriety and collusion in the court is why the JRC and the supporters of Ajay Dev, are asking for the appeals court to review this case and release Ajay from incarceration while this happens and his appeal goes through.
This case illustrates most of the problems with the Yolo system of justice we see in our work in Yolo County . This is why the Justice Reform Coalition feels that not only do we need a full Federal investigation of the Yolo County Court system and the conduct of its officers, but we need to have citizen review over all aspects of law enforcement.
Todd, you are the biggest moron I’ve ever met–kudos! NO, I’m not one of the jurors. If you’d been paying attention (YET AGAIN), you’d know that I am a very close friend of the VICTIM’S. Because of this very simple fact, I could have NEVER been on the panel of jurors. I was there for the SENTENCING, and not for the entirety of the trial. Again, pull your head out of your a**.
Oh, and this has nothing to do with race. The victim is Nepali, too, so if the DA had problems with people of color, then he would never have prosecuted in the first place. If anything, he would have called the victim a liar and a cheat and a curry-sniffing, anti-deodorant-wearing brownie if he was racist. Since he did no such thing, I hardly see this case as being riddled with what you consider acts of racism.
Oh, and one more thing. It is very very poor form to bring up the victim’s name in any public forum. And, you spelled her name incorrectly.
Cassandra: I would just offer you one thing, in this country few things ever have nothing to do with race. I’m not saying this verdict was all about race, and again, I don’t know if he’s innocent or guilty, but I think it’s naive and blind to history to flat out state that anything has nothing to do with race.
There is an entire segment in academic literature that explores the issue of racial components in the charging and sentencing of crime.
Cassandra: Also, if you continue to insult people, I’m going to start pulling your posts. I already had to edit one of your posts, I don’t have time to go through them. Calling people a moron is not acceptable. Please read the terms you agreed to.
You’re absolutely correct, David. It was poor form of ME to ridicule the developmental disabilities of said individual. I apologize. I’m also curious as to this academic literature that you speak of. Can you offer any specific, non-biased texts that I might be able to peruse? Or how about some of the professors here at UC Davis? Do you think that they could possibly shed some light into this “racism” matter? Don’t get me wrong–I’ve seen my fair share of racism starting from a very young age (not sure if I’ve mentioned it in this cute little blog of yours, yet, but I’m not Caucasian), so I know firsthand of the cruelties that it can inflict. I am also aware of the fact that simple racial profiling does exist, but again, I am utterly unconvinced that any decisions based on Ajay’s race had anything to do with this case. Where’s the implicit “proof” that everyone is so eager to jump to?
David
I am just curious, how is it that Cassandra can be on the hot seat by calling someone a moron yet Todd is here telling flat out lies and calling the jurors names and he is off scott free. Where is his warning? Todd did not see anyone going to lunch or “hanging” out with the DA. He may have seen jurors outside smoking or chatting with each other or even at times laughing. The jurors are human too and at times, needed to get out of the courthouse and see the light of day…..
Considering most of his posts verge on threatening….
“I am just curious, how is it that Cassandra can be on the hot seat by calling someone a moron yet Todd is here telling flat out lies and calling the jurors names and he is off scott free.”
Because it immediately jumped out to me and it just happened this morning. I don’t have time to be forum police, but I will keep a closer eye on the discussion. Cassandra has been warned before as well. I understand that this is an emotional issue, but if you guys want to brawl take it elsewhere. If you want to have a discussion, then by all means discuss.
Cassandra: Taking a veiled shot in the form of an apology is not acceptable. If you are interested in the literature on the subject, I’m sure you know how to find it. I am far from convinced that there is a racial component to this. From my standpoint, I think the DA’s office consistently overcharges people in this county and rarely faces the consequences for doing so. By the same token, I don’t believe you can merely rule it out. If you do a search, I am sure you can find survey research that shows that minority defendants in this country are more likely to be charged, convicted, and sentenced to longer sentences for comparable crimes regardless of the race of their victim.
Pleased, let’s just face it. This website is nothing more than one man’s silly attempts at pulling a Katie Couric, a Seymour Hersh or even a Bernstein and Woodward. It’s not a legitimate media source, and his facts are often skewed with very obvious biases. It is, in other words, a man’s BLOG. I applaud your brave attempts, David, but this site is one giant step down from the Daily Democrat, and that’s really saying something.
Cassandra: OUT.
(Oh, yes. And that’s my real name. 🙂 )
I am with you Cassandra…
Good bye.
Oh please guys, the Daily Democrat’s article on the sentencing of Dev was a reprint of the DA’s press release.
Why did the prosecution fail to produce any forensic and/or empirical evidence that would substantiate the presence of trauma in the accuser, consistent with a psychological and physiological examination?
Why did the accuser fail to report the rapes to her personal physician?
Why did the accuser fail to request a vaginal examination from her personal physician?
Why did the accuser forge the defendant’s name on a medical document?
If the accuser perjured herself under oath, regarding the defendant’s responsibility for her two pregnancies; can we then rationally conclude that she is capable of lying under oath about the alleged rapes?
How do you explain the psychological temperament of a woman who concurrent with her allegations of being raped by the defendant on a regular basis; succeeds in getting impregnated by two different sperm donors?
What physical evidence did the prosecution produce in court to confirm that the accuser was EVER raped and/or molested by the defendant?
Why did the prosecution fail to produce in court the “naked” photographs allegedly taken by the defendant of the accuser?
The answer is quite simple.
The accuser (previously convicted in a Nepali court of law for forgery + perjury) is a sociopath.
I am glad the true colors of Cassandra is being seen in this forum David. Ever wonder why she was not even a witness for the accuser. After all, she is the best friend right? Ever wonder why there were only two witness friends for the accuser. One who came into her life as a roommate after she had already moved out and one who actually was proud enough to testify to the fact that he was sleeping with her. Where were all the friends? You think they were all Indians and Nepalese? As Cassandra pours her venom here and in many other forums, her true character is being seen. Ironically, the trouble began in the accuser’s life as soon as she became her best friend. Why did the DA not call her? She claimed earlier that she was there at the trial most of the time and now finally she says the truth about how she came in briefly only to be kicked out due to being a potential witness for the defense and then she HID. If my best friend were going through this kind of ordeal, I would insist on being a witness for her. So please stop this nonsense.
An innocent man has been convicted by jury members when there was ample evidence to exonerate him. Their claim that in Nepali Ajay admits is wrong. 30 seconds after the phrase the accuser wants him to admit it because she understood what Ajay was referring to earlier as a hypothetical situation and that he had not yet admitted and a minute later once again Ajay denies vigorously in NEPALI of ever wrongdoing. Not to mention he has already denied it 27 times. Once every two minutes of the conversation.
p.s. in Nepal when a girl gets pregnant most often it is the father who takes her to the clinic. So PLEASED, stop being ethnocentric. And stop defending your decision so that you can convince yourself that you and the jury members did the right thing by sending an innocent man to prison.
The tragedy in the Dev case was the jury’s inability to:
1. Discern the difference between FACT v. FABLE.
2. Acknowledge that the absence of something (evidence) cannot be invoked as a construct to prove the veracity of a claim.
3. Comprehend that if the only witness (the accuser) lies under oath (repeatedly)…reasonable doubt is confirmed and by virtue of conscience + law you must acquit.
My, my…given the fact that Miss Cassandra failed to testify under oath on behalf of her friend in her greats hour of need…she sure has a great deal to articulate about the case and the respective defendant.
If Cassandra was/is in possession of any demonstrable facts consistent with the accuser’s allegations, why then did she fail to appear in court as a witness for the prosecution?
Conversely, if Cassandra does not possess any pertinent details other than the hearsay lies she obtained from the accuser…why are we reading the posts of an obvious miscreant?
Thank you Shanti and Darconville for helping me illustrate my point….I am finding it increasingly difficult to productively express my cries out for justice…..At the very least we have exposed just another negative influence in the sentencing of an innocent man.
one more vital information for PLEASED and other jury members. How dare you assume that Ajay spoke in Nepali because he did not want his wife to understand? What about his parents? Perhaps because most of you are not bilingual and especially bicultural, you stopped to think that the language spoken at home was ALWAYS mixed Nepali and English. You were aware that his dad and mom were also present during the conversation (no more than 15 feet away). Did you think they speak Swahili and not Nepali? It was suggested he talk in Nepali with the accuser by his own parents since the conversation was very strange and accusatory and by the 35th minute of the conversation everyone in that room BELIEVED that the girl had friends with her perhaps listening, especially Cassandra. How dare you assumed that Ajay was supposed to react in such and such manner? Have any of the jurors ever gone through this saga? Did you stop to think what might be the state of mind when a daughter accuses in retaliation? Hence, the change in tone in Nepali.
Also, in Nepal no matter how crazy your child may seem, there is no such thing as take em to a therapist or hang up. The parents and extended family and friends will all get together and try to help bring the child back in track and talk for hours. Hence, the long conversation trying to reason with her and even in the end asking her to meet with the family.
The jury members were told time and time again that the person who complained about her in Nepal was even closer to her than a cousin brother since they exchanged ceremonial tika during one of the major festivals. YES, he is the cousin of the accuser. You were wrong to believe that it was Ajay’s cousin and not hers. By Nepali standard she was actually closer to him than Ajay due to the exchange of tika during brother/sister worship day every year.
But the jury members took this all wrong because of their blind willingness to follow what the DA had interpreted. Most of you already thought Ajay was guilty the day you saw him. After all, you were led to believe that he had child porn and impregnated her three times and raped her 750 times. It was PROVEN that the porn was in her computer and was modified, viewed and downloaded when Ajay was at work. By the way she worked at the only video store that rented porn movies. She was extremely knowledgebale with myspace chats, kaazaa downloads to name a few. It was also PROVEN that Ajay did not pregnate her. Don’t try to get out of this one by saying that you were thinking about this trial with an even mind. Ajay was already guilty in your minds. Heck, Many of us also assumed that in the beginning thinking that a girl usually won’t lie until we studied the evidence VERY carefully.You were searching for something to hang your hat on. You found it in the phrase that was misinterpreted. And you also said that there was another phrase where the dispute was “kiss” versus “sex”. Did you listen to the tape to hear this word? What does inaudible mean to you jurors? It could have been “this” instead. Hell it does rhyme with kiss.
And yes, some of the jurors were seen talking to the detective while the trial was going on. And yes, three jurors were seen going to the DA’s office right after the verdict. And yes, DDA mount was seen going into the court at around 4:30 and coming out at the same time the jurors were coming out from deliberation on friday(the day after the closing arguments when the court was virtually quiet and none of the 20 plus family members of the defendant were present) and then there was no deliberation until the following week after.
I believe in the judicial system but I also know how often it has sent an innocent man to prison. The DDA, the judge and the detective could not AFFORD to lose this case. Can you imagine the whole county, the country, internationally as well finding out the title next morning in the papers as “Ajay Dev exonerated from all 92 counts.” You can imagine what would have happened, and how many answers the detective, the DDA and the judge would have to give not to mention their promotion, tenure and awards in jeopardy and hence in my opinion by any means necessary lets convict Ajay. They were hoping that Ajay would take the plea but why would you if you are 100% innocent? Ajay will be free if the the appelate court looks at this with an even mind. The jury members will have to live with the conscience that they sent an innocent person to prison and destroyed many lives.
Woman kidnapped as child resurfaces 18 years later
This man will probably get no more than 20 years for a crime with fact and evidence….Ajay Dev, an innocent man gets 378 years for a crime he did not commit?
PLACERVILLE, Calif.– Joyous, miraculous news that a little girl kidnapped nearly two decades ago was found alive gave way Thursday to the horrifying details of how police say she has lived all those years: kept in captivity by a convicted rapist in his backyard and forced to bear two of his children.
Jaycee Lee Dugard, who was 11 in 1991 when she was snatched from her school bus stop, was locked away from the outside world behind a series of fences, sheds and tents in the back of a suburban home.
Her abductor, investigators said, raped her and fathered two children with her, the first when Jaycee was about 14. Those children, both girls now 11 and 15, also were kept hidden away in the backyard compound.
Convicted sex offender Phillip Garrido, 58, was being held for investigation of various kidnapping and sex charges. His wife, Nancy Garrido, 54, was also arrested, and authorities said she was with Garrido during the kidnapping in South Lake Tahoe.
Garrido was on lifetime parole and his arrest raises questions about how closely parolees are monitored. But Kollar said a parole officer who had visited Garrido’s house previously had not noticed anything amiss — the compound was well concealed by shrubs, garbage cans and a tarp.
“We never thought anything bad about the guy,” Allen said. “He was just kind of nutty.”
Garrido gave a rambling, sometimes incoherent phone interview to KCRA-TV from the El Dorado County jail Thursday in which he said he had not admitted to a kidnapping and that he had turned his life around since the birth of his first daughter 15 years ago.
In addition to kidnapping allegations, court records showed both Garridos were being held for investigation of rape by force, lewd and lascivious acts with a minor and kidnapping someone under 14 with intent to rape. Phillip Garrido also faces allegations of sexual penetration.
Garrido has a long rap sheet dating back to the 1970s.
He was convicted of kidnapping a 25-year-old woman whom he snatched from a South Lake Tahoe parking lot, handcuffed, tied down and held in a mini-warehouse in Reno, according to a November 1976 story in the Reno Gazette-Journal.
He also has a conviction for rape by force or fear stemming from the same incident, and was paroled from a Nevada state prison in 1988, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
Associated Press Writers Paul Elias and Terry Collins in San Francisco, Gillian Flaccus in Orange, Calif., Brooke Donald in Antioch, Calif., and Sandi Chereb in South Lake Tahoe, Calif. contributed to this report.
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I can’t believe there are some fools actually protesting in front of DA’s office and calling him a racist? Isn’t the victim a Nepali? So how can this be a racist issue? I’m sick and tired of these fools trying to bring out the race card. C’mon its too much. Its getting stupid now
“Isn’t the victim a Nepali?”
I think that point has been made at least 15 times in this thread. So you are suggesting that there is no chance for a verdict to be racist if the victim and perp are the same race? I think that ignores a lot of history in this country.
Hey yep,
You are an idiot to still think it was racist. You are probably one of those fools who think you were a victim of race when someone cut you off on the highway. Stop this nonsense. If you feel that you are victimized then go back to the country you came from.
Hey shanti
I heard that ajay and his wife used to have swinger parties(sex parties) at his house. They used to have sex with random couples. i bet you were one of them. You must be one of those fat ugly broad with 3 stomach’s I see in the above picture. And you probably enjoyed having sex with your Ajay because he was the only one who cared about you so you can stand by him during the trial.
This guy Ajay Dev reminds me of the father in Austria that kept his daughter in a dungeon and repeatedly raped her. And still so many people support this creep? I don’t know what he gave them for them to take his side. Because obviously they don’t know what happened inside his house with the victim and him. He maybe a decent man in public but a freak at home. So people shouldn’t blindly support this creep even after he has been convicted with all the evidences against him. And besides, the jurors never knew him before. Since they all said that he was guilty, then I truly believe he was guilty.
Hey Shanti( i know what your real name is)
I have seen you go inside Ajay’s house several times when hs wife is not home, and come out moments later with your hair all messy. What were you guys doing in there anyways?
To Shanti
You sound do dumb. I pray something like this happens to someone in your family. Then I will definitely support the rapist. Then i want to see how you feel. A little girl was raped. What do you know about the pain? I have been throught this and I know. You are sitting behind the comuter and giving me stupid explanations to support the rapist? Please !!! Even I had a hard time convincing everyone because he was a prominent and respected member of the society. You cannot trust a person based on how he acts in front of you. Some people still hate me for this. I don’t know why. They still give me the looks when I walk outside because I came out and said the truth. But my only problem is he is in prison instead of getting executed for what he did to me. You will neer know what it feels like untill someone in your family falls prey to rapists like this. And to the victim in this case, don’t listen to stupid people like this. They are just trash. You just put this all behnd you and lift your head up and do your thing.
I did hear about sex parties in couples homes which used to happen in Davis. But never knew it was Ajay and his wife. Now I see why they have a lot of supporters. Lol.
Folks: Again, I implore you to keep this civil, I just deleted five messages from last night that were completely inappropriate. When you post, you are agreeing to the terms of usage.
As a member of the 12, not once did any issues of race appear in our discussions. We were ordered by the court with the rules and followed them. We were told not to consider sentencing and only looked at the facts. Nobody wanted to be there making those decisions. The bottom line – if he had not made certain statements in the pretext phone call, we would have not been there. The only option we had was to build upon what was provided to us in evidence and do nothing else.
Personally, I thought the victim was lying and didn’t believe what she said, but my thoughts, feelings, and biases were not in evidence. But when a person says, “You f#cked me after you were 18, that means you gave me consent.” Then victim responds, “I didn’t give you consent.” What normal interpretation should a person have?
If you’re innocent and a crazy person accuses you of something, tell them they need counseling or medication for their mental issues,… you don’t say, “….you gave me consent.”
Converse to your heart’s content, only two people know the truth, one is lying.
Remember, if you can vote and she can’t don’t have sex with her, no matter what.
http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/akon-molests-14-year-old-girl-on-stage-video/
What a joke! The kidnapper and registered sex offender of Ms. Duggard is only charged with 20 or counts when he kept her for close to 18 years and raped her uncountable times while Ajay Dev who by what I have read seems to be innocent of the charges against him was charged with 92 counts. If this is not irony, then what is it? Or is it that mr. Garrido was just charged with 20 or so counts only because he was a white citizen of this great country?
“Personally, I thought the victim was lying and didn’t believe what she said, but my thoughts, feelings, and biases were not in evidence. But when a person says, “You f#cked me after you were 18, that means you gave me consent.” Then victim responds, “I didn’t give you consent.” What normal interpretation should a person have”
Wow…more wow…and even more WOW! So you and the other 11 convince yourselves that Ajay has been raping her about 750 times. Wow..I thought English language is your first language and probably the only one with very good command. Even though English happens to be my fourth language I seem to understand what the english phrase means better than any of you. The words “AFTER you were 18” means she is already 18. Correct me if I am wrong. The words “you gave me consent” means it is no force. Correct me again. So you and 11 others come to a conclusion that Ajay is a rapist. No wonder most people fail in their logic classes at college.
Regardless, remember that the whole conversation begins and revolves around 3 abortions and abortion clinic. Yes, she accuses him of sleeping with her in between the conversation many times which Ajay vehemently denies many many times. And even in Nepali. Were the jurors aware of this that he denied it also in Nepali only a minute and half after this “admitting phrase?” Were you also aware that she only after 30 seconds of this “admitting phrase” wants ajay to admit it. Her exact words were “because I want you to talk to me. I want you to say it.”
And here is the biggest one. All these jurors who have commented left out a word preceding the phrase. Ajay said “BECAUSE you have f’d…” What about this “BECAUSE” and why not “I” instead of “YOU?” After all the DDA presented Ajay as a control freak. What it may seem for an American as a control freak could very easily be seen by a Nepalese person as someone who is involved in EVERY aspect of life of the child. I am not going to stereotype an American Culture as I am an AMERICAN but Ajay was CLEARLY stereotyped. And if he were really a control freak why would he not boast by saying “I f’d you after you were 18?” Instead he says “because you have f’d me after 18 years of your age.” Don’t forget that all of this is a translation from Nepali and not every thing is translated in the most perfect way. One just needs to read a poem in a different language that is your native and then read its translation in english to understand this logic.
Coming back to the whole conversation revolving mostly on the topic of 3 abortions and abortion clinic. Ajay never took her to an ABORTION clinic. He took her one and only time to see if his daughter was pregnant to a CLINIC. I already explained in my post earlier that most of the times the father takes the daughter to a clinic in Nepal, especially if it is an abortion issue. Obviously, the jury members stereotyped here as well. He was suspecting that his daughter was sleeping around at the time anyway which obviously got confirmed during the trial since there were at least two different guys that she was involved with during this period. Why did the DDA use the word ABORTION clinic? It is obvious. Look at us Americans with the topic of abortion. We have very strong opinion about it.
The jury seem to be hung up on the word “consent.” Ajay is speaking in Nepali and the only word he says in english is “consent” in the ENTIRE phrase. Because frankly maybe fewer than 5% of Nepalese population know the exact translation of the word “consent.” It is “anumati” in Nepali, not a word used regularly. Here is what we say in Nepali….”timile malai sodhera maile gareko” or “timile malai bhanera maile gareko” or “timile malai hirnusna bhanyo ra maile timilai lage.” And many many more I am sure. All of these thoughts could be I suppose a one word translation of “consent.” Keep in mind that Ajay came here when he was 12 and his Nepali is poor to fair at very best. The true translation of consent is “anumati” and it does not have any connotaion with the word sex in nepal, whereas the word “consent” most likely leads to the word sex in American english. Ajay is only saying this entire phrase after the accuser asks for a reason of why her life is going to be RUINED? Could it not be that he is refering to the fact that the accuser ASKED him to accompany her to the clinic? Could it not be that if she were to go to the school counselor, then this is the phrase or something similar that the counselor may tell her, if she states that Ajay impregnated her after she was 18. Then the hypothetical situation may arise. And in your own word and also in many other jury members’ words, “if it were not for this phrase Ajay would be a FREE man.”
This is where the Jurors failed besides many other places that I can think of in my opinion. Why does the accuser want Ajay to “ADMIT” it 30 SECONDS later and why does Ajay once again denies any wrong-doing a MINUTE later in Nepali? Oh and if your reasoning was that Ajay is speaking in Nepali so that his wife would not understand, then why give the phone to her by Ajay so that the accuser can tell her as well. Ajay wanted the accuser to tell exactly what she is accusing him of to his wife, not to mention also the accuser’s natural parents.
Like I said earlier…..”The jury members will have to live with the conscience that they sent an innocent person to prison and destroyed many lives.”
First Hand, Shanti and others involved;
Who did literal translation from Nepali sentences on pretext to English for the Prosecution and what did it say in English?
What did language expert for Prosecution say about the Nepali Sentences “Because you f”d me..” to mean?
Who did literal translation from Nepali sentences on pretext to English for the Defense and what did it say in English?
What did the language expert for Defense say about the Nepali Sentences “Because you f”d me..” to mean?
Which one convinced the jury and why? Only the facts, and analysis please.
So the detective and the DDA claims that Ajay admitted on the phone in February. So they claim that Ajay had child porn also in February. What were they doing for four months? Isn’t that when the accuser went to Nepal? Plus, if there was in fact child porn, why would they wait even four months to arrest him? Would you not expect police to arrest him right away? After all, in their eyes, isn’t Ajay very dangerous to the society already back in February? Because there was no child porn. Because Ajay never admitted. Even the accuser thinks so and is asking him to admit throughout the 58 minute of conversation. After she was convicted in Nepal for passport fraud and submitting false documents, the only way for her to gain entry to the US was by falsely accusing Ajay to gain immigration benefit, the DDA decided to bring the charges.
So, this is all nonsense. By falsely trumping charges and making Ajay look like a devil in court, the DDA, and the detective did injustice to our judicial system.
Here is something else an American will never understand what happens very frequently in Nepali language. consider this.
person 1: you stole my bike.
person 2: no, I did not
person 1: yes you did
person 2: no i did not
person 1: yes you did
person 2: no I did not
person 1: Yes you did
Person 2: OK, OK, SO I DID. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?(in Capital because this is translated from nepali to english)
Any Nepali person will tell you that this scenario happens quite frequently in Nepali and has nothing to do with admitting that person 2 stole the bike.
But an American DDA will try to convince you that person 2 did steal a bike and that he admitted in Nepali so that his wife would not understand.
one more scenario.
person 1: you threatened to kill me.
person 2: “hum kahiyo na kahaliyo.” (translated: No I never said it)
person 1: you did threaten to kill me.
person 2: “hum kahiyo naw kahilyo. kathile kahechi? kathi chahichi? nahi kahu. kathile hamra fasabaichi.” (translated: no, I never said it. Why are you saying this? What do you want from me? Stop it. Stop framing me.
person 1: you did say you were going to kill me.
person 2: “hum kahaliyo tora maarbo.”(translation: I said I will kill you)
the word maarbo means to spank, to beat, to whoop, to kill. Person 1 may be talking about spanking her. But even if she knows what person 2 is referring to, she can frame him by choosing the word “kill” instead of spank.
Imagine that there is 35 minutes of conversation before the phrases above where person 2 has denied many times and there is another 20 minutes of conversation where he continues to deny. But you are told by the DDA to only focus on the above phrases. The verdict will return most likely guilty if the above phrases are not explained to the jury members in a cultural and linguistic context.
The DDA did just that with the phrase “you f’d me after….”. He gave his own interpretation by taking it out of context, by adding lies about Nepali culture, and adding more lies about the country, its people, its government, etc. during the last 45 minutes of his closing argument. He omitted the central focus of the entire conversation and the anger it may have caused Ajay from this accusation, and even saying that Ajay never denied(had denied 27 times), or lying about Ajay’s state of mind, and why Nepali was spoken and even more lies were continued. The case was closed and the jury members were ready for delibaration with the defense never getting a chance to explain it.
Still, the accuser lied throughout and there were hundreds of other evidences to exonerate Ajay but the jury threw the entire defense away because of this phrase. If there was a DNA evidence exonerating Ajay, the jury would have thrown it away as well from this logic.
In my opinion, a complete failure of our judicial system. Just like “if the glove don’t fit, you must acquit,” in Yolo County, if it goes to trial then convict by any means necessary.
I don’t know why people are so concerned about why he spoke in Nepali too in the phone conversation. I’ve been in this country since I was 12. I’m 40 now. I still find myself going back and forth between speaking Nepali and English during any conversation with a Nepali person. I’ve also noticed that most Nepali people do that, it’s just a habit.
So in this situation I don’t think anyone should ever consider that Ajay was trying hide to something simply from the two languages used in the tape.
Sorry for the typo in the 2nd paragraph.
Shanti,
I think you should email your last three posts to ‘Advocates for Ajay’ site. I think you’ve high lighted some very important topics. I also think your explanation of the Nepali language will aid the layman in understanding the translation in the phone transcript. Thanks for a well written and concise posting.
Todd
I happened to get some light on the gang case that was discussed earlier in this blog. One story goes like this: A girl danced with a man in a night club once, completely clueless that he was a gang member. That was enough for her to be blamed as a gang member. By the same DA, Ajay is falsely accused. Talk about justice!!!
I see that people are still talking about the tape conversation. Why; because, those who accuse Ajay want you to center around the topic. That is all they have got. Everybody knows that it was taken out of context. Why waste your time on it? Instead, focus on other things; like what our beloved guardian angels of justice are doing in the name of policing. There are more than enough evidence to trigger an investigation – abuse of power, favoritism, and racism. That will be much easier, than teaching Sanskrit to the buffalos (or even better, teaching Nepalese to the wild hogs).
You need not teach eastern culture to Americans. All the great philosophers from the east came to America to teach philosophy and culture, only to gain wide recognition. That is because Americans in general have an independent mind, and are open to new ideas, new cultures, and new way of thinking. They have a kind heart. However, there is a minority who tarnishes that American free will. They run away from diversity into isolated communities, where they find their safe havens. As, such safe heavens are dwindling, they do frantic things whenever they get an opportunity. Ajay’s case is a good example. Ajay will be declared innocent in a few years. What is equally important is to make sure that this does not happen to another innocent person. You need to fight to break that safe heaven. You must fight to bring those who abused our justice system to justice! If that can’t happen in a reasonable timeframe, there is no point in anybody touting the greatness of American Justice System.
I am so happy that Ajay the rapist is off to prison. While some people like shanti and unbiased can’t get over it still, even after all this evidence and even after the jurors said he is guilty, I am pleased with the judges judgement. They can say all they want. Because what he did to the girl must be happening to him in prison now. Give up your futile fight for this rapist because the jurors and judge were the same “Americans with an independent mind, and are open to new ideas, new cultures, and new way of thinking” like unbiased said earlier. They didn’t know Ajay or his family. They made an unbiased descision with all the evidence that they got put forth to them. Ajay had a prominent, one of the best lawyers in town. He paid him tons of money to win this case. But he still didn’t win. Now that shows that Ajay was indeed guilty. What do you guys know what his lawyer didn’t already know? You guys can write anything you want. And you can cntinue writing to his website. JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED. One more rapist off to prison.
I am so happy that Ajay the rapist is off to prison. While some people like shanti and unbiased can’t get over it still, even after all this evidence and even after the jurors said he is guilty, I am pleased with the judges judgement. They can say all they want. Because what he did to the girl must be happening to him in prison now. Give up your futile fight for this rapist because the jurors and judge were the same “Americans with an independent mind, and are open to new ideas, new cultures, and new way of thinking” like unbiased said earlier. They didn’t know Ajay or his family. They made an unbiased descision with all the evidence that they got put forth to them. Ajay had a prominent, one of the best lawyers in town. He paid him tons of money to win this case. But he still didn’t win. Now that shows that Ajay was indeed guilty. What do you guys know what his lawyer didn’t already know? You guys can write anything you want. And you can cntinue writing to his website. JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED. One more rapist off to prison.
HA HA….
>>>> Give up your futile fight:
Scared??? The war is raging. It is a matter of time. I did not know the magnitude of this fight until I met a stranger recently, who was talking about this.
>>> Ajay had a prominent, one of the best lawyers in town:
Really? I heard he was not a part of the system, the “safe haven network”; the Mafia. What good is he if he is not allowed to do his job?
>>>>He paid him tons of money to win this case
If that money was applied to the right place (within the system), he would have got 9 months probation, right? You know what I mean…
>>>>They didn’t know Ajay or his family.
If you are referencing to the Jurors, they are ordinary citizens. They work with the data that are given to them. They are not lawyers or psychologists or criminologists. They can be easily fallen prey of tactics of a corrupt system. Most of them would be ordinary worker class people, who are trained to do what they are told, with exception to some. So, I will not blame them.
for someone who is calls himself unbiased u seem to be kissing a lot of the other parties behind. did he or his family do you some extra favors? you know what i mean? i’ve heard what happens in the ajay dev’s house(the XXX parties and such). Are you involved too? and are you saying the Ajay haters have to be scared? ooooh i’m peeing in my pants already. jeez get a life mate.
and what are u implying? just because the DA defended a Rapist he automatically has connections with the mafia? WOW. don’t know where you pick up garbage like this. first it was the race thing. now mafia?? You make me laugh. In fact i’m laughing so much that i can’t hardly get up. get off your mamas basement and get a dose of reality.
oh by the way, have fun with the stranger you met. are you taking him/her to Ajay’s party?
hello moderator please remove gina comment. she lying. and used bad words
hey shanti
i bet you are yet another used sloppy disgusting trash that ajay grinded onto in one of his sex parties.
ProudOfOurJusticeSystem states
“While some people like shanti and unbiased can’t get over it still, even after all this evidence and even after the jurors said he is guilty, I am pleased with the judges judgement”
The jurors have not always been correct. The judges judgement has not always been justice. And you say that there was “AFTER ALL THIS EVIDENCE”…what do you mean by this phrase? Can you offer other evidences besides the so called taped conversation which is even in question right now please? I am really interested in hearing what evidences you are talking about and no hearsay please.
“Because what he did to the girl must be happening to him in prison now.”
bullshet, if the justice system threw him to the wolves so to speak and hsi civil rights were violated where he feels unsafe his family could easily sue the justice department or the prison system (bureau of prisons). Look at phil spector being transferred to a whole new prison just for feeling unsafe by Manson sending him a letter (he was already in protection even before this):
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090902/ap_on_en_mu/us_phil_spector_2
plus, there are plenty of hard timers and lifers living the life of crime and also raping/mollesting along the way who are left alone in prison. Look at that Richard Allen Davis guy who was in and out of prison and I dont believe he was ever raped or is now and he’s even kept with some other inmates around him in the yard:
http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_richard_allen_dean.htm
heck he ratted on two guys in prison and was put in pc and later re arrested many times so i doubt he was scared off or punished inside the system by other cons for even being a rat.
Also, who are you to romanticise and identify with other low life dirtbag scum inmates just because this guy raped or not raped some sociopath money grabbing gold digger? Was she ur girlfriend or are you a male feminist or what?
also proud, there are plenty of rapists in prison walking around even in general population there. So what would make this guy standout to be targeted or why would he be any different from them? it’s not like he’s that high porofile or famous or killed a bunch of 8 year olds or anything.
Here’s the best possible example of why the jury should hope and pray they got it right, particularly in light of the fact that there was literally ZERO proof that Ajay committed these crimes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8243991.stm
There is no physical evidence, so I don’t know how DNA is going to resolve anything.
Excellent radio broadcast about the Dev Case tonight. A lot of information was brought forth regarding the unfairness of this case. I only felt that the time was too short. I would like to have heard more about the case.
Hi David… thanks for making that comment. I wasn’t clear. The point I was trying to make is that without real tangible proof, juries can, and sometimes do, get it wrong. Some of the people on this forum have said that they believe he is guilty simply because the jury decided he was guilty. My argument is that without DNA or other physical evidence there is no REAL proof that he did what they found him guilty of. Without actual proof of a crime, the conviction is based upon a subjective review of the DA’s case.
David’s radio show this past Wednesday spent an entire hour looking at this case specifically. Go to http://kdrt.org/station/archives/115 to hear the show.
Thanks, we now have it posted on the Vanguard site: click here ([url]https://davisvanguard.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2992:vanguard-radio-september-9-ajay-dev-case&catid=45:radio&Itemid=72[/url])
We got this “that will never happen to me” mentality. So we feel free to stand back and judge.
Sort of like when people watch someone on TV in an abusive relationship, and say “why didn’t they just leave them!” and go “if that were me”. When the point is… it’s not them, and they should hope that it will never happen to themselves.
if I phrased that right.
A juror said in Daily Democrat: We (Women) will never lie of rape.
Watch this:
http://foreignwomenonly.blogspot.com/2009/08/witness-says-accuser-is-lying-ben.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-10-01/how-young-is-too-young/
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=437535&no=385704&rel_no=1
http://www.newkerala.com/news/fullnews-26628.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/sharon-tates-sister-sex-w_n_304042.html?page=6&show_comment_id=31956414
hypocricity much?