The liberal opposition to war and refusal to be caught up in the superficial symbolism have caused them to be labeled unpatriotic. I would however argue that an adherence to empty symbols is not patriotism, rather it is jingoism.
Liberals need to press harder on conservatives on this point because true patriotism is not the adherence to blanket symbolism and support, but rather love of country that should be embodied by the notion of the very principles on which we have been founded.
One does not support our troops by supporting a war that is killing and maiming them in vast numbers. In fact, the continued support of this destructive war undermines the troops rather than supports them. I support our troops by wanting every single one of them out of Iraq. I support our troops by wanting to provide them with jobs, job training, financial security, and good medical coverage when they come home. I support our troops by never wanting to see another Veteran on a street corner begging for money. And I support our troops by never wanting to see another one come home dead or severely injured.
I do not believe that my country is always right. Rather I hold my country to higher standards–the standards embodied in our foundations of social justice, liberty, freedom, and the due process of law. I oppose acts in this nation that tear away at the fabric of freedom and liberty. I oppose acts that strip away the protections of due process of law. Those who hide behind slogans as they destroy our nation’s principles are not patriots, but rather traitors and cowards.
Jefferson tells us,
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
Franklin warns us,
“They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”
Why are conservatives so afraid of dissent? Our nation was founded on dissent. Our founding fathers believed in dissent with every bone of their body. The hallmark of freedom is the freedom of speech.
This freedom is embodied within our nation’s first amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
Within the first amendment we have the right to free speech, the right to a free press, and the right to protest and dissent against the government. The founders knew full well that without the right to dissent, the freedom to speak meant nothing. Freedom is not tested when we all agree on something.
In the movie “The American President,” Michael Douglas’ character, the President, exemplifies the true meaning of free speech:
“You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
The core the statement is true, as writer Nat Hentoff explained, most Americans are willing to allow free speech only when they agree with what is said. That is not freedom of speech. Are you willing to allow the KKK to march through town in their white robes and hoods and say everything that you oppose with all your heart? Are you willing to allow a man draped in the American flag to proclaim that we need to be a country of white Americans? Those are the tests of freedom.
President Bush frequently talks about the Muslim world hating our freedom, but in many ways, I think the President doesn’t know what our freedom is. He curtails it every step he gets. When people complain about the war, they are labeled as unpatriotic, told that they are not supporting our troops, and at times told that they are providing aid and comfort to the enemy. The latter is a charge of treason–dissent has become not just un-American but treasonous.
I would argue that dissent is our strength not our weakness. It is what holds us accountable. It is what forces us to seek to attain a higher standard. Criticism and dissent force the other side to be more careful, to do a better job. And they hold us accountable when we make errors. Without dissent, there can be no accountability.
Finally on this Fourth of July, I will take issue with another popular myth, that the left “hates” America. I love my country. They misinterpret criticism for hate and blind obedience for love. I love my country, like people love their children. People love their children no matter what they do. However, they do not stand by and approve of everything their children do for the sake of love. To do that would be bad parenting. To do that for a country would be a bad citizen and a bad voter.
Instead people criticize, punish, and teach their children how to properly conduct themselves in the world. When they err, they get punished and reprimanded. They are instilled with values and when they transgress against those values they are admonished and scorned. Parents do not stand idly by and allow their children to misbehave or to undermine their values. Nor should citizens of a nation stand by and watch their nation undermine their values.
But more than that, I hold my country to a higher standard than I hold others. I hold my nation to the due process of the law even as others summarily execute their criminals. I hold my nation to the doctrines of the Geneva Convention, even as the enemy tortures, maims, and kills its prisoners of war and civilians with malice. I hold my nation to be above such tactics as torture, recognizing full well that many others will not. And I hold my nation to be an agent of peace even in the time of war.
I do these things not because I hate America, but because I believe in America and American values. I hold these values and principles above the temporary expediency of security. And because I wish to adhere to those values, I will criticize my nation even in the time of war. For just as free speech does not exist without dissent, neither does patriotism exist without war protests and marches.
This is Independence Day, and it is time for a moment of reflection. But we should remember today above all else the values under which this nation was founded. The values of dissent and freedom. Of liberty AND justice. Of the rule of law over the rule of the mob. Of the ideal that all people were created equal. Of the ideal that we can rise up and transcend our limited condition. And finally of our commitment to peace and social justice. All of these are the embodiments of patriotism and those who threaten them are not patriots, they are merely jingoists.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
…took in Michael Moore’s SICKO last evening at its opening in Davis.
The message goes beyond the healthcare issue; it tries to get the audience to reflect on what we(the collective WE) are really all about.. Don’t miss it.
…took in Michael Moore’s SICKO last evening at its opening in Davis.
The message goes beyond the healthcare issue; it tries to get the audience to reflect on what we(the collective WE) are really all about.. Don’t miss it.
…took in Michael Moore’s SICKO last evening at its opening in Davis.
The message goes beyond the healthcare issue; it tries to get the audience to reflect on what we(the collective WE) are really all about.. Don’t miss it.
…took in Michael Moore’s SICKO last evening at its opening in Davis.
The message goes beyond the healthcare issue; it tries to get the audience to reflect on what we(the collective WE) are really all about.. Don’t miss it.
Also, I link to Surf Putah’s entry where he posts a you tube of Keith Olbermann’s special comment about the President and Scooter Libby.
It pretty much captures my feelings on the subject.
Also, I link to Surf Putah’s entry where he posts a you tube of Keith Olbermann’s special comment about the President and Scooter Libby.
It pretty much captures my feelings on the subject.
Also, I link to Surf Putah’s entry where he posts a you tube of Keith Olbermann’s special comment about the President and Scooter Libby.
It pretty much captures my feelings on the subject.
Also, I link to Surf Putah’s entry where he posts a you tube of Keith Olbermann’s special comment about the President and Scooter Libby.
It pretty much captures my feelings on the subject.
Support our country on Independence Day by exercising your freedom to dissent against the Bush/Cheney administration. They should be impeached as provided for in the Constitution for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Come out to the Community Park today for the 4th of July and visit the Davis Democratic Club booth. Sign our petition to get out of Iraq, buy a button or bumper sticker supporting our anti-war/anti-bush activities. Buy your favorite Democratic presidential candidate button or bumper sticker too.
Support our country on Independence Day by exercising your freedom to dissent against the Bush/Cheney administration. They should be impeached as provided for in the Constitution for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Come out to the Community Park today for the 4th of July and visit the Davis Democratic Club booth. Sign our petition to get out of Iraq, buy a button or bumper sticker supporting our anti-war/anti-bush activities. Buy your favorite Democratic presidential candidate button or bumper sticker too.
Support our country on Independence Day by exercising your freedom to dissent against the Bush/Cheney administration. They should be impeached as provided for in the Constitution for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Come out to the Community Park today for the 4th of July and visit the Davis Democratic Club booth. Sign our petition to get out of Iraq, buy a button or bumper sticker supporting our anti-war/anti-bush activities. Buy your favorite Democratic presidential candidate button or bumper sticker too.
Support our country on Independence Day by exercising your freedom to dissent against the Bush/Cheney administration. They should be impeached as provided for in the Constitution for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Come out to the Community Park today for the 4th of July and visit the Davis Democratic Club booth. Sign our petition to get out of Iraq, buy a button or bumper sticker supporting our anti-war/anti-bush activities. Buy your favorite Democratic presidential candidate button or bumper sticker too.
“The conception of patriotism put forth by some contemporary conservatives seems at times to be a very narrow form of love for country embodied by the slogan: “my country right or wrong.” And symbolized by unquestioned loyalty and such overt acts such as flying the flag or draping oneself in the national colors.”
I’m grateful that we live in a country that is not so black and white. While you are quite extreme in your left-wing views, and you like to pit them against extreme right-wingers, the vast majority of us are not so ideologically inclined. Fortunately, most Americans are somewhere in the middle, even if their positions are not always consistent.
“The liberal opposition to war and refusal to be caught up in the superficial symbolism have caused them to be labeled unpatriotic.”
I doubt that any American liberals are ‘unpatriotic.’ However, some on the not liberal far-left clearly are, at least in the sense that whenever there is a dispute between the United States and some other country or group, their first inclination is to find fault with America.
Even though most on the far left would hate to live under an Islamist regime, I rarely hear lefties decrying Islamism for what it is. They focus on some imagined American foreign policy which for 100 years has caused these nut jobs to hate us, assuming that these people are incapable of making bad choices on their own. Likewise, they refuse to be critical of the actions of the Islamists, without (falsely) equating them with fundamentalist nut jobs like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. The Christian right may be completely wacked, but I don’t see the 700 Club arming children with suicide bomb-belts in order to murder hundreds of innocents or any other such acts of terror.
I can’t remember any lefties ever holding their allies abroad to any high standards. As repulsive as the current dictator in Venezuela is, he is now a beloved figure on the American left, largely because he’s built his reign on hating America.
“One does not support our troops by supporting a war that is killing and maiming them in vast numbers.”
I don’t support the Iraq War. It’s not only a failed enterprise, but I can’t see how it is in our national interest in any sense. Nonetheless, your focus on our ‘maiming them’ is bizarre. Almost 100% of the intentional ‘maiming’ going on is being done by our enemies against innocents or other Iraqi fighters. It’s perfectly fine to point out the chaos and violence our troops are responsible for. But it’s wrong of you to do so out of the context of how small it is in comparison with the larger civil war going on in Iraq.
If your focus of blame is on us because we started the war, then say that. But then — despite the wrong-headedness of our decision — you ought to point out the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed, tortured and imprisoned by the regime we ousted. By avoiding all explanatory context in your argument, you do a disservice to your side.
Franklin warns us, “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”
While I share Franklin’s view, my reading of history is that this is exactly what Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest president, did.
“You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
That was just tested in Japan when one of their cabinet ministers mistakenly admitted in public that our dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.
“The conception of patriotism put forth by some contemporary conservatives seems at times to be a very narrow form of love for country embodied by the slogan: “my country right or wrong.” And symbolized by unquestioned loyalty and such overt acts such as flying the flag or draping oneself in the national colors.”
I’m grateful that we live in a country that is not so black and white. While you are quite extreme in your left-wing views, and you like to pit them against extreme right-wingers, the vast majority of us are not so ideologically inclined. Fortunately, most Americans are somewhere in the middle, even if their positions are not always consistent.
“The liberal opposition to war and refusal to be caught up in the superficial symbolism have caused them to be labeled unpatriotic.”
I doubt that any American liberals are ‘unpatriotic.’ However, some on the not liberal far-left clearly are, at least in the sense that whenever there is a dispute between the United States and some other country or group, their first inclination is to find fault with America.
Even though most on the far left would hate to live under an Islamist regime, I rarely hear lefties decrying Islamism for what it is. They focus on some imagined American foreign policy which for 100 years has caused these nut jobs to hate us, assuming that these people are incapable of making bad choices on their own. Likewise, they refuse to be critical of the actions of the Islamists, without (falsely) equating them with fundamentalist nut jobs like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. The Christian right may be completely wacked, but I don’t see the 700 Club arming children with suicide bomb-belts in order to murder hundreds of innocents or any other such acts of terror.
I can’t remember any lefties ever holding their allies abroad to any high standards. As repulsive as the current dictator in Venezuela is, he is now a beloved figure on the American left, largely because he’s built his reign on hating America.
“One does not support our troops by supporting a war that is killing and maiming them in vast numbers.”
I don’t support the Iraq War. It’s not only a failed enterprise, but I can’t see how it is in our national interest in any sense. Nonetheless, your focus on our ‘maiming them’ is bizarre. Almost 100% of the intentional ‘maiming’ going on is being done by our enemies against innocents or other Iraqi fighters. It’s perfectly fine to point out the chaos and violence our troops are responsible for. But it’s wrong of you to do so out of the context of how small it is in comparison with the larger civil war going on in Iraq.
If your focus of blame is on us because we started the war, then say that. But then — despite the wrong-headedness of our decision — you ought to point out the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed, tortured and imprisoned by the regime we ousted. By avoiding all explanatory context in your argument, you do a disservice to your side.
Franklin warns us, “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”
While I share Franklin’s view, my reading of history is that this is exactly what Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest president, did.
“You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
That was just tested in Japan when one of their cabinet ministers mistakenly admitted in public that our dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.
“The conception of patriotism put forth by some contemporary conservatives seems at times to be a very narrow form of love for country embodied by the slogan: “my country right or wrong.” And symbolized by unquestioned loyalty and such overt acts such as flying the flag or draping oneself in the national colors.”
I’m grateful that we live in a country that is not so black and white. While you are quite extreme in your left-wing views, and you like to pit them against extreme right-wingers, the vast majority of us are not so ideologically inclined. Fortunately, most Americans are somewhere in the middle, even if their positions are not always consistent.
“The liberal opposition to war and refusal to be caught up in the superficial symbolism have caused them to be labeled unpatriotic.”
I doubt that any American liberals are ‘unpatriotic.’ However, some on the not liberal far-left clearly are, at least in the sense that whenever there is a dispute between the United States and some other country or group, their first inclination is to find fault with America.
Even though most on the far left would hate to live under an Islamist regime, I rarely hear lefties decrying Islamism for what it is. They focus on some imagined American foreign policy which for 100 years has caused these nut jobs to hate us, assuming that these people are incapable of making bad choices on their own. Likewise, they refuse to be critical of the actions of the Islamists, without (falsely) equating them with fundamentalist nut jobs like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. The Christian right may be completely wacked, but I don’t see the 700 Club arming children with suicide bomb-belts in order to murder hundreds of innocents or any other such acts of terror.
I can’t remember any lefties ever holding their allies abroad to any high standards. As repulsive as the current dictator in Venezuela is, he is now a beloved figure on the American left, largely because he’s built his reign on hating America.
“One does not support our troops by supporting a war that is killing and maiming them in vast numbers.”
I don’t support the Iraq War. It’s not only a failed enterprise, but I can’t see how it is in our national interest in any sense. Nonetheless, your focus on our ‘maiming them’ is bizarre. Almost 100% of the intentional ‘maiming’ going on is being done by our enemies against innocents or other Iraqi fighters. It’s perfectly fine to point out the chaos and violence our troops are responsible for. But it’s wrong of you to do so out of the context of how small it is in comparison with the larger civil war going on in Iraq.
If your focus of blame is on us because we started the war, then say that. But then — despite the wrong-headedness of our decision — you ought to point out the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed, tortured and imprisoned by the regime we ousted. By avoiding all explanatory context in your argument, you do a disservice to your side.
Franklin warns us, “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”
While I share Franklin’s view, my reading of history is that this is exactly what Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest president, did.
“You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
That was just tested in Japan when one of their cabinet ministers mistakenly admitted in public that our dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.
“The conception of patriotism put forth by some contemporary conservatives seems at times to be a very narrow form of love for country embodied by the slogan: “my country right or wrong.” And symbolized by unquestioned loyalty and such overt acts such as flying the flag or draping oneself in the national colors.”
I’m grateful that we live in a country that is not so black and white. While you are quite extreme in your left-wing views, and you like to pit them against extreme right-wingers, the vast majority of us are not so ideologically inclined. Fortunately, most Americans are somewhere in the middle, even if their positions are not always consistent.
“The liberal opposition to war and refusal to be caught up in the superficial symbolism have caused them to be labeled unpatriotic.”
I doubt that any American liberals are ‘unpatriotic.’ However, some on the not liberal far-left clearly are, at least in the sense that whenever there is a dispute between the United States and some other country or group, their first inclination is to find fault with America.
Even though most on the far left would hate to live under an Islamist regime, I rarely hear lefties decrying Islamism for what it is. They focus on some imagined American foreign policy which for 100 years has caused these nut jobs to hate us, assuming that these people are incapable of making bad choices on their own. Likewise, they refuse to be critical of the actions of the Islamists, without (falsely) equating them with fundamentalist nut jobs like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. The Christian right may be completely wacked, but I don’t see the 700 Club arming children with suicide bomb-belts in order to murder hundreds of innocents or any other such acts of terror.
I can’t remember any lefties ever holding their allies abroad to any high standards. As repulsive as the current dictator in Venezuela is, he is now a beloved figure on the American left, largely because he’s built his reign on hating America.
“One does not support our troops by supporting a war that is killing and maiming them in vast numbers.”
I don’t support the Iraq War. It’s not only a failed enterprise, but I can’t see how it is in our national interest in any sense. Nonetheless, your focus on our ‘maiming them’ is bizarre. Almost 100% of the intentional ‘maiming’ going on is being done by our enemies against innocents or other Iraqi fighters. It’s perfectly fine to point out the chaos and violence our troops are responsible for. But it’s wrong of you to do so out of the context of how small it is in comparison with the larger civil war going on in Iraq.
If your focus of blame is on us because we started the war, then say that. But then — despite the wrong-headedness of our decision — you ought to point out the hundreds of thousands of people who were killed, tortured and imprisoned by the regime we ousted. By avoiding all explanatory context in your argument, you do a disservice to your side.
Franklin warns us, “They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty nor security.”
While I share Franklin’s view, my reading of history is that this is exactly what Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest president, did.
“You want free speech? Let’s see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who’s standing center stage and advocating, at the top of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.”
That was just tested in Japan when one of their cabinet ministers mistakenly admitted in public that our dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.
“…dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.”
Rifkin’s observation is best responded to with a “Wayne’s World” retort,” GET THE NET!
“…dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.”
Rifkin’s observation is best responded to with a “Wayne’s World” retort,” GET THE NET!
“…dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.”
Rifkin’s observation is best responded to with a “Wayne’s World” retort,” GET THE NET!
“…dropping the atomic bombs on Japan served the best interests of Japan. He was, of course, fired, because admitting that truth is still not tolerated in Japan.”
Rifkin’s observation is best responded to with a “Wayne’s World” retort,” GET THE NET!
rifkin’s rules of debate #42: whoever disagrees with rifkin is a “far-leftist.”
rifkin’s rules of debate #42: whoever disagrees with rifkin is a “far-leftist.”
rifkin’s rules of debate #42: whoever disagrees with rifkin is a “far-leftist.”
rifkin’s rules of debate #42: whoever disagrees with rifkin is a “far-leftist.”
Rich –
I’m glad we live in the U.S. where views such as yours can be expressed.
To say that you are middle of the road or somewhere in the middle with your views is like saying that George Bush or Dick Cheney are middle of the road.
Please be honest with yourself.
Also, you fail to mention that it was your far right “leaders” that helped some of the nut cases get into power by supplying with with training and ammunition.
Let’s face it…both sides at times have been wrong, but I think it’s fair to say that right now, as we blog, there is an idiot in the White House that is making both sides angry because he fails to listen to ANY leadership and get our troops out!
The message is simple:
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!