There will be a special workshop to open this week’s council meeting from 5 pm to 6:30 pm. Then the council will begin its normal meeting with a full agenda including public comment at 6:30 or 6:45.
The question one might automatically ask, is why put the most important topic, that of the housing element discussion at 5 pm when people are not paying attention and many are just getting off from work?
One of the things that will happen during this meeting is that there will be modifications to the site rankings as laid out by the Housing Element Steering Committee.
A key change that will occur is that the Housing Element Steering Committee (HESC) rank ordered all the sites. They also divided the top 20 into “green light” sites where development would be given a priority and was expected to occur during this general plan cycle and “yellow” and “red” light sites where they saw develop occurring in future general plan cycles depending on the growth rate set by the city council.
Now the Planning Commission and city planning staff recommends removing the ranking numbers from the 20 “green light” sites.
According to the staff report:
“Development applications should be allowed for these highest ranked sites. Although the property owners of several of these sites are likely not ready to submit applications in the near term, development status will be monitored to ensure that the 1% growth cap resolution is not exceeded.”
Other recommended changes:
- Move Oakshade Affordable Housing from #26 to green.
- Move Nugget Fields from #28 to Green.
- Keep Lewis Cannery at #21.
- Move Wildhorse Horse Ranch to #22 from #27.
- Willowbank Church: Move from green to yellow.
“This site and the Wildhorse horse ranch site (below), with current development applications, are recommended for the top two rankings of the “alternate” sites because they are relatively large sites currently in the city not used for agriculture and can provide a mix of housing types to meet housing needs.”
An additional reason might also be that both Lewis Cannery and Wildhorse Horse Ranch have been moving forward with actual development proposals while some other properties are in the more theoretical stage.
One of the groups hoping to move up as the result of this meeting are the Covell Village Developers. The Vanguard has received word that these developers have been working hard to mobilize a huge turnout of seniors who will advocate for the Covell Village Senior Project Proposal.
Having seen their large development that was proposed in 2005 voted down by a 60-40 margin, the Covell Village Developers have broken down their latest proposal into three phases. The first phase is to develop a senior housing facility on the southern portion of the 386 acre parcel.
Few of the seniors who have met with the Covell Village Developers have been told this is only the first part of their plan.
The Housing Element Steering Committee spent considerable time on the Covell Project. There are concerns about prime agricultural land in the bottom portion of the land, where the senior housing facility would be. And there are concerns that the upper two-thirds of the project rests in a flood plain that would represent considerable liability for the city both physically and financially. State legislation in recent years has placed the financial burden on cities who build in flood plains and will no longer bail out cities in the event of a flood.
In addition, the Covell Village developers have purchased additional land north of original property to act as their 2:1 Ag mitigation.
As a result, the Housing Element Steering Committee, composed of a number of very strong supporters of Covell Village including Chair Kevin Wolf, who was a huge advocate for the project in 2005, ranked Covell Village very low as a site. The developers who own the property have been working hard to change that ranking. And are expected to pack the chambers with seniors that they have worked with to bring on board.
Opinions by leaders in the Senior Community vary as to whether or not we actually need additional senior housing. Recent events at Covell Gardens have suggested the need for extreme scrutiny when building and opening senior care facilities. Many seniors have expressed an interest to not downsize and move into a senior community. Many like to live with the general population to begin with. The demand from the local senior population is unclear.
Personally, while I favor slower growth in an environmentally sustainable manner, if I am looking to add housing first, I would look to see infill projects on sites already incorporated within the city. As the HESC indicated, we have plenty of those type of sites and projects to meet our housing needs for the next general plan period.
Second, if we are to add housing I would look toward workforce housing, housing for UC Davis faculty, and student housing first. Those people who work in Davis but do not live in Davis should get the first priority for new housing. Concern has been expressed about the vacancy rate in Davis for apartments and student housing. This is where the priority should be.
It should be noted in the staff report, the only mention of Covell Village is the preference to plan for the Lewis Cannery site in consideration of the adjacent Covell Village site. This remains a chief concern of mine with regards to the Lewis Cannery site. Many have suggested that the site is better suited for high tech or light industrial use. I am circumspect on the type of development that needs to go there and for the most part agnostic. What I am bitterly opposed to would be the use of Lewis Cannery to facilitate development on the adjacent Covell Village site.
Any effort to get the property to move up is coming entirely from the developers and not from the HESC, the Planning Commission, the city planning department, or even the Davis City Council Majority.
I am not one who believes that the 2005 Measure X forever precludes development on the Covell Village site. However, there are many places that should be developed before we even start considering this. It appears that the Covell Village developers will not take no for an answer here. And that at some point we will go through this process once again.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.
Covell property? Someone’s having a “senior moment”.
Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.
Covell property? Someone’s having a “senior moment”.
Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.
Covell property? Someone’s having a “senior moment”.
Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.
Covell property? Someone’s having a “senior moment”.
I think Covell property should be revisited- after West Village has been completed, the impacts absorbed and we have greatly expanded downtown parking. Give it a decade or so…
I think Covell property should be revisited- after West Village has been completed, the impacts absorbed and we have greatly expanded downtown parking. Give it a decade or so…
I think Covell property should be revisited- after West Village has been completed, the impacts absorbed and we have greatly expanded downtown parking. Give it a decade or so…
I think Covell property should be revisited- after West Village has been completed, the impacts absorbed and we have greatly expanded downtown parking. Give it a decade or so…
Expanded downtown parking?
Why not improve bus service to outlying areas? Encourage a bike rental program? Improve outlying shopping centers, with stores people will actually want to shop? Expanding parking downtown will degrade the vaunted “quality” of the downtown. And, as with any domino effect when once the auto is given priority over humans, the town will turn into just another sprawl bubble along I-80…
And if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and more banks like Indybank go under, that sprawl will consist of half-build hulks with weeds growing in the front yards.
Expanded downtown parking?
Why not improve bus service to outlying areas? Encourage a bike rental program? Improve outlying shopping centers, with stores people will actually want to shop? Expanding parking downtown will degrade the vaunted “quality” of the downtown. And, as with any domino effect when once the auto is given priority over humans, the town will turn into just another sprawl bubble along I-80…
And if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and more banks like Indybank go under, that sprawl will consist of half-build hulks with weeds growing in the front yards.
Expanded downtown parking?
Why not improve bus service to outlying areas? Encourage a bike rental program? Improve outlying shopping centers, with stores people will actually want to shop? Expanding parking downtown will degrade the vaunted “quality” of the downtown. And, as with any domino effect when once the auto is given priority over humans, the town will turn into just another sprawl bubble along I-80…
And if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and more banks like Indybank go under, that sprawl will consist of half-build hulks with weeds growing in the front yards.
Expanded downtown parking?
Why not improve bus service to outlying areas? Encourage a bike rental program? Improve outlying shopping centers, with stores people will actually want to shop? Expanding parking downtown will degrade the vaunted “quality” of the downtown. And, as with any domino effect when once the auto is given priority over humans, the town will turn into just another sprawl bubble along I-80…
And if Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and more banks like Indybank go under, that sprawl will consist of half-build hulks with weeds growing in the front yards.
MORE downtown parking?? You’re kidding, right? For what? Have you been downtown on any WEEKDAY morning? Of course you haven’t….Millions for another 3 story garage? That will be fun to watch sit vacant and unused.
MORE downtown parking?? You’re kidding, right? For what? Have you been downtown on any WEEKDAY morning? Of course you haven’t….Millions for another 3 story garage? That will be fun to watch sit vacant and unused.
MORE downtown parking?? You’re kidding, right? For what? Have you been downtown on any WEEKDAY morning? Of course you haven’t….Millions for another 3 story garage? That will be fun to watch sit vacant and unused.
MORE downtown parking?? You’re kidding, right? For what? Have you been downtown on any WEEKDAY morning? Of course you haven’t….Millions for another 3 story garage? That will be fun to watch sit vacant and unused.
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
“Davis has barely gone down.”
Not so. The median price of a house sold in Davis in the 3 months ending June 30, 2008 was down 22.6% over the same 3 months in 2006.
“Davis has barely gone down.”
Not so. The median price of a house sold in Davis in the 3 months ending June 30, 2008 was down 22.6% over the same 3 months in 2006.
“Davis has barely gone down.”
Not so. The median price of a house sold in Davis in the 3 months ending June 30, 2008 was down 22.6% over the same 3 months in 2006.
“Davis has barely gone down.”
Not so. The median price of a house sold in Davis in the 3 months ending June 30, 2008 was down 22.6% over the same 3 months in 2006.
More downtown parking is desperately needed, and is one of the major priorities of the downtown business owners. I have been downtown on nearly every weekday morning. That is the least busy time. From noon on lack of parking has a serious impact on the local businesses. If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.
More downtown parking is desperately needed, and is one of the major priorities of the downtown business owners. I have been downtown on nearly every weekday morning. That is the least busy time. From noon on lack of parking has a serious impact on the local businesses. If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.
More downtown parking is desperately needed, and is one of the major priorities of the downtown business owners. I have been downtown on nearly every weekday morning. That is the least busy time. From noon on lack of parking has a serious impact on the local businesses. If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.
More downtown parking is desperately needed, and is one of the major priorities of the downtown business owners. I have been downtown on nearly every weekday morning. That is the least busy time. From noon on lack of parking has a serious impact on the local businesses. If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.
“Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.”
And I notice that West Village plans include another elementary school!!!
That is the last thing we need right now, given recent blog discussion and history (closing Valley Oak).
“Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.”
And I notice that West Village plans include another elementary school!!!
That is the last thing we need right now, given recent blog discussion and history (closing Valley Oak).
“Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.”
And I notice that West Village plans include another elementary school!!!
That is the last thing we need right now, given recent blog discussion and history (closing Valley Oak).
“Lest we forget: West Village will likely be built over the next ten years as well, and has the potential to reduce demand for student and staff housing.”
And I notice that West Village plans include another elementary school!!!
That is the last thing we need right now, given recent blog discussion and history (closing Valley Oak).
Bike rental program? They’re so cheap and can just be bought. Are people going to drive to Davis to rent a bike? Bike businesses can do this and make a buck.
Bike rental program? They’re so cheap and can just be bought. Are people going to drive to Davis to rent a bike? Bike businesses can do this and make a buck.
Bike rental program? They’re so cheap and can just be bought. Are people going to drive to Davis to rent a bike? Bike businesses can do this and make a buck.
Bike rental program? They’re so cheap and can just be bought. Are people going to drive to Davis to rent a bike? Bike businesses can do this and make a buck.
DPD, it should be noted that the recommendations from staff also include the following: “Process applications for a list of Council-selected ‘green-light’ sites only through Dec. 31, 2009, and consider processing Council-selected ‘yellow-light’ sites after Jan. 1, 2010.”
In other words, after 1/1/10, ignore HESC recommendations on site rankings, and move up selected ‘yellow-light’ sites to ‘green-light’ ones. Code language for “after 1/1/10 move Covell Village front and center as a ‘green-light’ site”.
DPD, it should be noted that the recommendations from staff also include the following: “Process applications for a list of Council-selected ‘green-light’ sites only through Dec. 31, 2009, and consider processing Council-selected ‘yellow-light’ sites after Jan. 1, 2010.”
In other words, after 1/1/10, ignore HESC recommendations on site rankings, and move up selected ‘yellow-light’ sites to ‘green-light’ ones. Code language for “after 1/1/10 move Covell Village front and center as a ‘green-light’ site”.
DPD, it should be noted that the recommendations from staff also include the following: “Process applications for a list of Council-selected ‘green-light’ sites only through Dec. 31, 2009, and consider processing Council-selected ‘yellow-light’ sites after Jan. 1, 2010.”
In other words, after 1/1/10, ignore HESC recommendations on site rankings, and move up selected ‘yellow-light’ sites to ‘green-light’ ones. Code language for “after 1/1/10 move Covell Village front and center as a ‘green-light’ site”.
DPD, it should be noted that the recommendations from staff also include the following: “Process applications for a list of Council-selected ‘green-light’ sites only through Dec. 31, 2009, and consider processing Council-selected ‘yellow-light’ sites after Jan. 1, 2010.”
In other words, after 1/1/10, ignore HESC recommendations on site rankings, and move up selected ‘yellow-light’ sites to ‘green-light’ ones. Code language for “after 1/1/10 move Covell Village front and center as a ‘green-light’ site”.
Don Shor asserts, “If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.”
This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
Anonymous 7/20/08 11:07 AM had some great points to make, inre: alternatives to driving, which seem especially pertinent as the price of gas continues to rise. When gas reaches $10 or $15 a gallon, you’ll see a big change in people’s driving habits. They’ll be eager/desperate to shop
locally. Tearing down existing businesses to build more parking in the near future strikes me as short-sighted considering the volatile economic times in which we live.
Don Shor asserts, “If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.”
This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
Anonymous 7/20/08 11:07 AM had some great points to make, inre: alternatives to driving, which seem especially pertinent as the price of gas continues to rise. When gas reaches $10 or $15 a gallon, you’ll see a big change in people’s driving habits. They’ll be eager/desperate to shop
locally. Tearing down existing businesses to build more parking in the near future strikes me as short-sighted considering the volatile economic times in which we live.
Don Shor asserts, “If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.”
This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
Anonymous 7/20/08 11:07 AM had some great points to make, inre: alternatives to driving, which seem especially pertinent as the price of gas continues to rise. When gas reaches $10 or $15 a gallon, you’ll see a big change in people’s driving habits. They’ll be eager/desperate to shop
locally. Tearing down existing businesses to build more parking in the near future strikes me as short-sighted considering the volatile economic times in which we live.
Don Shor asserts, “If people can’t park reasonably close to where they want to shop, they’ll just drive on.”
This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
Anonymous 7/20/08 11:07 AM had some great points to make, inre: alternatives to driving, which seem especially pertinent as the price of gas continues to rise. When gas reaches $10 or $15 a gallon, you’ll see a big change in people’s driving habits. They’ll be eager/desperate to shop
locally. Tearing down existing businesses to build more parking in the near future strikes me as short-sighted considering the volatile economic times in which we live.
“This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop.”
It makes no such assumption. People drive to downtown Davis from their residences in Davis to shop. Or they drive to downtown Davis from work to shop on their way home. Or some drive in to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Regardless, they drive there, and they need to park there. For most people, Davis or otherwise, shopping involves a car. All the other ideas are also great. But parking is still key to the success of businesses in the downtown.
“This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop.”
It makes no such assumption. People drive to downtown Davis from their residences in Davis to shop. Or they drive to downtown Davis from work to shop on their way home. Or some drive in to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Regardless, they drive there, and they need to park there. For most people, Davis or otherwise, shopping involves a car. All the other ideas are also great. But parking is still key to the success of businesses in the downtown.
“This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop.”
It makes no such assumption. People drive to downtown Davis from their residences in Davis to shop. Or they drive to downtown Davis from work to shop on their way home. Or some drive in to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Regardless, they drive there, and they need to park there. For most people, Davis or otherwise, shopping involves a car. All the other ideas are also great. But parking is still key to the success of businesses in the downtown.
“This assertion assumes that people only drive to Davis from elsewhere to shop.”
It makes no such assumption. People drive to downtown Davis from their residences in Davis to shop. Or they drive to downtown Davis from work to shop on their way home. Or some drive in to Davis from elsewhere to shop. Regardless, they drive there, and they need to park there. For most people, Davis or otherwise, shopping involves a car. All the other ideas are also great. But parking is still key to the success of businesses in the downtown.
Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.
Real customers will not patronize real businesses if there is nowhere to park. You might not like that reality, but you cannot wish it away.
Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.
Real customers will not patronize real businesses if there is nowhere to park. You might not like that reality, but you cannot wish it away.
Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.
Real customers will not patronize real businesses if there is nowhere to park. You might not like that reality, but you cannot wish it away.
Focusing on only the auto as a means of arriving in downtown Davis is simply perpetuating the sprawl plans for Davis being cooked up in the face of dire economic realities by Chamber of Commerce types flogging to outmoded model of designing cities for cars and not humans.
This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.
Real customers will not patronize real businesses if there is nowhere to park. You might not like that reality, but you cannot wish it away.
Whoever you are, Stan, your vocabulary betrays a lack of imagination only matched by your inability to conceive of a world in which the auto loses its role as top dog of modes of transport.
In the real world, the price of gas is goin’ up, up, up, and won’t be coming down anytime soon. I’d say that’s such a sure bet you can take it to the bank. Except a few real banks are already being seized by the feds, due to the housing crisis.
Are you one of the growing minority of American adults who are currently classified as “obese,” Stan?
Is that why you need “real parking,” not more, I’m assuming, than one-half block or so from where you want to go downtown?
Parking a few blocks further from your destination and walking the extra distance would be good for you, Stan, if so, or even if you’re not. Walking would help you get in shape for the day and age when gas gets too expensive for you to be able to drive wherever and whenever you want.
–Anon 7/20/08 2:15 PM
“This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.”
–Stan
Whoever you are, Stan, your vocabulary betrays a lack of imagination only matched by your inability to conceive of a world in which the auto loses its role as top dog of modes of transport.
In the real world, the price of gas is goin’ up, up, up, and won’t be coming down anytime soon. I’d say that’s such a sure bet you can take it to the bank. Except a few real banks are already being seized by the feds, due to the housing crisis.
Are you one of the growing minority of American adults who are currently classified as “obese,” Stan?
Is that why you need “real parking,” not more, I’m assuming, than one-half block or so from where you want to go downtown?
Parking a few blocks further from your destination and walking the extra distance would be good for you, Stan, if so, or even if you’re not. Walking would help you get in shape for the day and age when gas gets too expensive for you to be able to drive wherever and whenever you want.
–Anon 7/20/08 2:15 PM
“This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.”
–Stan
Whoever you are, Stan, your vocabulary betrays a lack of imagination only matched by your inability to conceive of a world in which the auto loses its role as top dog of modes of transport.
In the real world, the price of gas is goin’ up, up, up, and won’t be coming down anytime soon. I’d say that’s such a sure bet you can take it to the bank. Except a few real banks are already being seized by the feds, due to the housing crisis.
Are you one of the growing minority of American adults who are currently classified as “obese,” Stan?
Is that why you need “real parking,” not more, I’m assuming, than one-half block or so from where you want to go downtown?
Parking a few blocks further from your destination and walking the extra distance would be good for you, Stan, if so, or even if you’re not. Walking would help you get in shape for the day and age when gas gets too expensive for you to be able to drive wherever and whenever you want.
–Anon 7/20/08 2:15 PM
“This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.”
–Stan
Whoever you are, Stan, your vocabulary betrays a lack of imagination only matched by your inability to conceive of a world in which the auto loses its role as top dog of modes of transport.
In the real world, the price of gas is goin’ up, up, up, and won’t be coming down anytime soon. I’d say that’s such a sure bet you can take it to the bank. Except a few real banks are already being seized by the feds, due to the housing crisis.
Are you one of the growing minority of American adults who are currently classified as “obese,” Stan?
Is that why you need “real parking,” not more, I’m assuming, than one-half block or so from where you want to go downtown?
Parking a few blocks further from your destination and walking the extra distance would be good for you, Stan, if so, or even if you’re not. Walking would help you get in shape for the day and age when gas gets too expensive for you to be able to drive wherever and whenever you want.
–Anon 7/20/08 2:15 PM
“This is a load of bull feces and has no relevance to real people who require real parking.”
–Stan
Anonymous 7:45 – Sheeesh…lay off Stan. I agree with him and I like walking and biking in Davis. Look around and you’ll see many SUVs still driving around in our commuter town of Davis. Seniors also want to park downtown as do those who have a lot of purchases. People walk and bike at various times of the day unless they work in town.
Anonymous 7:45 – Sheeesh…lay off Stan. I agree with him and I like walking and biking in Davis. Look around and you’ll see many SUVs still driving around in our commuter town of Davis. Seniors also want to park downtown as do those who have a lot of purchases. People walk and bike at various times of the day unless they work in town.
Anonymous 7:45 – Sheeesh…lay off Stan. I agree with him and I like walking and biking in Davis. Look around and you’ll see many SUVs still driving around in our commuter town of Davis. Seniors also want to park downtown as do those who have a lot of purchases. People walk and bike at various times of the day unless they work in town.
Anonymous 7:45 – Sheeesh…lay off Stan. I agree with him and I like walking and biking in Davis. Look around and you’ll see many SUVs still driving around in our commuter town of Davis. Seniors also want to park downtown as do those who have a lot of purchases. People walk and bike at various times of the day unless they work in town.
Well, Stan ought to lay off the slanderous “bull feces” comments. If he took a few extra minutes to exercise the rational part of his brain instead of resorting to mindless drivel, he might come up with something interesting to say. Instead of harping on “real parking,” whatever that is compared to fake parking.
As for this being a communter town; 7/20/08 7:45 PM makes an intriguing point: that that status may change when gas prices go through the roof and people start driving a lot less.
Meanwhile, shoppers can and do double-park to load up on purchases. I steer around them all the time downtown. I also note that there’s almost always parking to be found in the student ghetto west of B Street, in the Borders parking lot, the parking lot behind the Boy Scout cabin, etc., etc. I just have to take a few extra minutes to look and walk a few extra blocks.
Well, Stan ought to lay off the slanderous “bull feces” comments. If he took a few extra minutes to exercise the rational part of his brain instead of resorting to mindless drivel, he might come up with something interesting to say. Instead of harping on “real parking,” whatever that is compared to fake parking.
As for this being a communter town; 7/20/08 7:45 PM makes an intriguing point: that that status may change when gas prices go through the roof and people start driving a lot less.
Meanwhile, shoppers can and do double-park to load up on purchases. I steer around them all the time downtown. I also note that there’s almost always parking to be found in the student ghetto west of B Street, in the Borders parking lot, the parking lot behind the Boy Scout cabin, etc., etc. I just have to take a few extra minutes to look and walk a few extra blocks.
Well, Stan ought to lay off the slanderous “bull feces” comments. If he took a few extra minutes to exercise the rational part of his brain instead of resorting to mindless drivel, he might come up with something interesting to say. Instead of harping on “real parking,” whatever that is compared to fake parking.
As for this being a communter town; 7/20/08 7:45 PM makes an intriguing point: that that status may change when gas prices go through the roof and people start driving a lot less.
Meanwhile, shoppers can and do double-park to load up on purchases. I steer around them all the time downtown. I also note that there’s almost always parking to be found in the student ghetto west of B Street, in the Borders parking lot, the parking lot behind the Boy Scout cabin, etc., etc. I just have to take a few extra minutes to look and walk a few extra blocks.
Well, Stan ought to lay off the slanderous “bull feces” comments. If he took a few extra minutes to exercise the rational part of his brain instead of resorting to mindless drivel, he might come up with something interesting to say. Instead of harping on “real parking,” whatever that is compared to fake parking.
As for this being a communter town; 7/20/08 7:45 PM makes an intriguing point: that that status may change when gas prices go through the roof and people start driving a lot less.
Meanwhile, shoppers can and do double-park to load up on purchases. I steer around them all the time downtown. I also note that there’s almost always parking to be found in the student ghetto west of B Street, in the Borders parking lot, the parking lot behind the Boy Scout cabin, etc., etc. I just have to take a few extra minutes to look and walk a few extra blocks.
Davis will continue to be a commuter town, regardless of gas prices, because people work in the Bay Area and Sacramento area and surrounding cities.
Davis will continue to be a commuter town, regardless of gas prices, because people work in the Bay Area and Sacramento area and surrounding cities.
Davis will continue to be a commuter town, regardless of gas prices, because people work in the Bay Area and Sacramento area and surrounding cities.
Davis will continue to be a commuter town, regardless of gas prices, because people work in the Bay Area and Sacramento area and surrounding cities.
“that status may change when gas prices go through the roof “
That may be true. So there will be more hybrids and more ev’s. They’ll still need a place to park.
“that status may change when gas prices go through the roof “
That may be true. So there will be more hybrids and more ev’s. They’ll still need a place to park.
“that status may change when gas prices go through the roof “
That may be true. So there will be more hybrids and more ev’s. They’ll still need a place to park.
“that status may change when gas prices go through the roof “
That may be true. So there will be more hybrids and more ev’s. They’ll still need a place to park.
Are you the Stan that once said we should build student housing in Woodland instead of Davis? If so, you really should not complain about parking unless you also feel students shouldn’t shop in Davis either.
Are you the Stan that once said we should build student housing in Woodland instead of Davis? If so, you really should not complain about parking unless you also feel students shouldn’t shop in Davis either.
Are you the Stan that once said we should build student housing in Woodland instead of Davis? If so, you really should not complain about parking unless you also feel students shouldn’t shop in Davis either.
Are you the Stan that once said we should build student housing in Woodland instead of Davis? If so, you really should not complain about parking unless you also feel students shouldn’t shop in Davis either.
OK-
An early CC meet, a limited citizen input, rumors that seniors will be bused in to “whine” about lack of housing, and The Village People rise again…
…why are all the comments about Parking then?
Those who went up to Woodland (Including the mayor and pro tem, if I remember coirrectly) on the County threat of development on Davis limits should be innoculated against the strategy of bringing in some sad group. What could be sadder than the sight of afflicted in wheelchairs cheerleading for Mr. T’s big development just east of El Mac? Yet City heads bashed that big time…
…then.
How quick the tables turn, especially when you have to meet your quota of bundling for your favorite candidates, eh…
So, like for the T event, I have one good big word:
RECALL
Simple as that. Seemed to have a positive effect in the T event. Link it with the Charter Vote and no Q what WON’T get through, period
shepley (I hit the anon bubble to save time since I have no password here)
OK-
An early CC meet, a limited citizen input, rumors that seniors will be bused in to “whine” about lack of housing, and The Village People rise again…
…why are all the comments about Parking then?
Those who went up to Woodland (Including the mayor and pro tem, if I remember coirrectly) on the County threat of development on Davis limits should be innoculated against the strategy of bringing in some sad group. What could be sadder than the sight of afflicted in wheelchairs cheerleading for Mr. T’s big development just east of El Mac? Yet City heads bashed that big time…
…then.
How quick the tables turn, especially when you have to meet your quota of bundling for your favorite candidates, eh…
So, like for the T event, I have one good big word:
RECALL
Simple as that. Seemed to have a positive effect in the T event. Link it with the Charter Vote and no Q what WON’T get through, period
shepley (I hit the anon bubble to save time since I have no password here)
OK-
An early CC meet, a limited citizen input, rumors that seniors will be bused in to “whine” about lack of housing, and The Village People rise again…
…why are all the comments about Parking then?
Those who went up to Woodland (Including the mayor and pro tem, if I remember coirrectly) on the County threat of development on Davis limits should be innoculated against the strategy of bringing in some sad group. What could be sadder than the sight of afflicted in wheelchairs cheerleading for Mr. T’s big development just east of El Mac? Yet City heads bashed that big time…
…then.
How quick the tables turn, especially when you have to meet your quota of bundling for your favorite candidates, eh…
So, like for the T event, I have one good big word:
RECALL
Simple as that. Seemed to have a positive effect in the T event. Link it with the Charter Vote and no Q what WON’T get through, period
shepley (I hit the anon bubble to save time since I have no password here)
OK-
An early CC meet, a limited citizen input, rumors that seniors will be bused in to “whine” about lack of housing, and The Village People rise again…
…why are all the comments about Parking then?
Those who went up to Woodland (Including the mayor and pro tem, if I remember coirrectly) on the County threat of development on Davis limits should be innoculated against the strategy of bringing in some sad group. What could be sadder than the sight of afflicted in wheelchairs cheerleading for Mr. T’s big development just east of El Mac? Yet City heads bashed that big time…
…then.
How quick the tables turn, especially when you have to meet your quota of bundling for your favorite candidates, eh…
So, like for the T event, I have one good big word:
RECALL
Simple as that. Seemed to have a positive effect in the T event. Link it with the Charter Vote and no Q what WON’T get through, period
shepley (I hit the anon bubble to save time since I have no password here)
More hybrid and electric cars? Will there ever be enough to replace current numbers of gas-powered cars? Adding more parking would be pointless if people don’t drive nearly as much, because they can’t afford to.
As the oil runs out, there will have to come a paradigm shift in planning policies, to reflect other modes of transportation besides cars–walking, bikes, buses–and thus obviate the need for more parking.
More hybrid and electric cars? Will there ever be enough to replace current numbers of gas-powered cars? Adding more parking would be pointless if people don’t drive nearly as much, because they can’t afford to.
As the oil runs out, there will have to come a paradigm shift in planning policies, to reflect other modes of transportation besides cars–walking, bikes, buses–and thus obviate the need for more parking.
More hybrid and electric cars? Will there ever be enough to replace current numbers of gas-powered cars? Adding more parking would be pointless if people don’t drive nearly as much, because they can’t afford to.
As the oil runs out, there will have to come a paradigm shift in planning policies, to reflect other modes of transportation besides cars–walking, bikes, buses–and thus obviate the need for more parking.
More hybrid and electric cars? Will there ever be enough to replace current numbers of gas-powered cars? Adding more parking would be pointless if people don’t drive nearly as much, because they can’t afford to.
As the oil runs out, there will have to come a paradigm shift in planning policies, to reflect other modes of transportation besides cars–walking, bikes, buses–and thus obviate the need for more parking.
Measure X lost by 58-42, not 60-40. That was in the context of a very effective “NO” campaign that convinced people that it would have worsened traffic (it wouldn’t have) cost the city money (it wouldn’t have), and that the schools didn’t need any of the $60 million the project would have provided (not to mention some new students).
The project would win if 8 out of 100 people change their minds. I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.
(By the way, is there really any controversy over the notion that we need a big senior project ASAP? The neighborhoods full of empty nests are, frankly, depressing. It just seems unnatural and unhealthy to me, like life is being slowly sapped from our town. As Sting once asked, “Is this the sum of our ambition?” Anyone seen “Children of Men”? The Davis I grew up in was teeming with life and industry and innovation, most not sanctioned by 15 different committees. Anyone who’s lived here for, say, 25+ years can’t help but notice the steady decline as the politics of “do nothing ever” have become more and more entrenched.)
The implication, oft repeated in this blog, that these gentlemen (Davisites all) don’t have the right to try again with a smaller and more focused project, after 20 years of very hard work and investment, seems fundamentally unfair, and contrary to the community interest.
Measure X lost by 58-42, not 60-40. That was in the context of a very effective “NO” campaign that convinced people that it would have worsened traffic (it wouldn’t have) cost the city money (it wouldn’t have), and that the schools didn’t need any of the $60 million the project would have provided (not to mention some new students).
The project would win if 8 out of 100 people change their minds. I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.
(By the way, is there really any controversy over the notion that we need a big senior project ASAP? The neighborhoods full of empty nests are, frankly, depressing. It just seems unnatural and unhealthy to me, like life is being slowly sapped from our town. As Sting once asked, “Is this the sum of our ambition?” Anyone seen “Children of Men”? The Davis I grew up in was teeming with life and industry and innovation, most not sanctioned by 15 different committees. Anyone who’s lived here for, say, 25+ years can’t help but notice the steady decline as the politics of “do nothing ever” have become more and more entrenched.)
The implication, oft repeated in this blog, that these gentlemen (Davisites all) don’t have the right to try again with a smaller and more focused project, after 20 years of very hard work and investment, seems fundamentally unfair, and contrary to the community interest.
Measure X lost by 58-42, not 60-40. That was in the context of a very effective “NO” campaign that convinced people that it would have worsened traffic (it wouldn’t have) cost the city money (it wouldn’t have), and that the schools didn’t need any of the $60 million the project would have provided (not to mention some new students).
The project would win if 8 out of 100 people change their minds. I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.
(By the way, is there really any controversy over the notion that we need a big senior project ASAP? The neighborhoods full of empty nests are, frankly, depressing. It just seems unnatural and unhealthy to me, like life is being slowly sapped from our town. As Sting once asked, “Is this the sum of our ambition?” Anyone seen “Children of Men”? The Davis I grew up in was teeming with life and industry and innovation, most not sanctioned by 15 different committees. Anyone who’s lived here for, say, 25+ years can’t help but notice the steady decline as the politics of “do nothing ever” have become more and more entrenched.)
The implication, oft repeated in this blog, that these gentlemen (Davisites all) don’t have the right to try again with a smaller and more focused project, after 20 years of very hard work and investment, seems fundamentally unfair, and contrary to the community interest.
Measure X lost by 58-42, not 60-40. That was in the context of a very effective “NO” campaign that convinced people that it would have worsened traffic (it wouldn’t have) cost the city money (it wouldn’t have), and that the schools didn’t need any of the $60 million the project would have provided (not to mention some new students).
The project would win if 8 out of 100 people change their minds. I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.
(By the way, is there really any controversy over the notion that we need a big senior project ASAP? The neighborhoods full of empty nests are, frankly, depressing. It just seems unnatural and unhealthy to me, like life is being slowly sapped from our town. As Sting once asked, “Is this the sum of our ambition?” Anyone seen “Children of Men”? The Davis I grew up in was teeming with life and industry and innovation, most not sanctioned by 15 different committees. Anyone who’s lived here for, say, 25+ years can’t help but notice the steady decline as the politics of “do nothing ever” have become more and more entrenched.)
The implication, oft repeated in this blog, that these gentlemen (Davisites all) don’t have the right to try again with a smaller and more focused project, after 20 years of very hard work and investment, seems fundamentally unfair, and contrary to the community interest.
Black Bart said…
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
7/20/08 12:18 PM
patience, my man, patience
just wait until the Pay Option ARM catastrophe and the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plays out, along with one of the worst recessions in 50 years
significant declines in housing prices in high end markets are just around the corner
none of the projects under consideration will help middle and lower middle income people, only West Village has the potential to do that
so, why keep shilling for them, so they can get rich bringing more upper middle income people into the communtiy?
–Richard Estes
Black Bart said…
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
7/20/08 12:18 PM
patience, my man, patience
just wait until the Pay Option ARM catastrophe and the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plays out, along with one of the worst recessions in 50 years
significant declines in housing prices in high end markets are just around the corner
none of the projects under consideration will help middle and lower middle income people, only West Village has the potential to do that
so, why keep shilling for them, so they can get rich bringing more upper middle income people into the communtiy?
–Richard Estes
Black Bart said…
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
7/20/08 12:18 PM
patience, my man, patience
just wait until the Pay Option ARM catastrophe and the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plays out, along with one of the worst recessions in 50 years
significant declines in housing prices in high end markets are just around the corner
none of the projects under consideration will help middle and lower middle income people, only West Village has the potential to do that
so, why keep shilling for them, so they can get rich bringing more upper middle income people into the communtiy?
–Richard Estes
Black Bart said…
“Personally while I favor slower growth.”
How much slower can it get?
Build them all. There is so much pent up demand that although housing prices have collapsed everywhere in the region Davis has barely gone down.
7/20/08 12:18 PM
patience, my man, patience
just wait until the Pay Option ARM catastrophe and the collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac plays out, along with one of the worst recessions in 50 years
significant declines in housing prices in high end markets are just around the corner
none of the projects under consideration will help middle and lower middle income people, only West Village has the potential to do that
so, why keep shilling for them, so they can get rich bringing more upper middle income people into the communtiy?
–Richard Estes
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality. For instance, it did not take into account that 83% of persons 45 years of age and older do not want to move from their existing home, but want to stay put. If that statistic is taken into account, suddenly Tandem Properties’ proposal for 800 units shrinks to 136.
Think about it. If we import seniors from outside, who typically need more in the way of medical and social services, that puts an added burden on city and county services. County services have to be rationed over more people, and taxes will have to be raised to pay for the increase in city services. To bring a great number of outsiders into the city may have unintended consequences to the citizens currently living in Davis.
Then factor in 1) West Village; 2) the foreclosure meltdown, and you do not have an atmosphere conducive to more development of residential housing. What we do need is more commercial development to increase tax revenue.
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality. For instance, it did not take into account that 83% of persons 45 years of age and older do not want to move from their existing home, but want to stay put. If that statistic is taken into account, suddenly Tandem Properties’ proposal for 800 units shrinks to 136.
Think about it. If we import seniors from outside, who typically need more in the way of medical and social services, that puts an added burden on city and county services. County services have to be rationed over more people, and taxes will have to be raised to pay for the increase in city services. To bring a great number of outsiders into the city may have unintended consequences to the citizens currently living in Davis.
Then factor in 1) West Village; 2) the foreclosure meltdown, and you do not have an atmosphere conducive to more development of residential housing. What we do need is more commercial development to increase tax revenue.
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality. For instance, it did not take into account that 83% of persons 45 years of age and older do not want to move from their existing home, but want to stay put. If that statistic is taken into account, suddenly Tandem Properties’ proposal for 800 units shrinks to 136.
Think about it. If we import seniors from outside, who typically need more in the way of medical and social services, that puts an added burden on city and county services. County services have to be rationed over more people, and taxes will have to be raised to pay for the increase in city services. To bring a great number of outsiders into the city may have unintended consequences to the citizens currently living in Davis.
Then factor in 1) West Village; 2) the foreclosure meltdown, and you do not have an atmosphere conducive to more development of residential housing. What we do need is more commercial development to increase tax revenue.
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality. For instance, it did not take into account that 83% of persons 45 years of age and older do not want to move from their existing home, but want to stay put. If that statistic is taken into account, suddenly Tandem Properties’ proposal for 800 units shrinks to 136.
Think about it. If we import seniors from outside, who typically need more in the way of medical and social services, that puts an added burden on city and county services. County services have to be rationed over more people, and taxes will have to be raised to pay for the increase in city services. To bring a great number of outsiders into the city may have unintended consequences to the citizens currently living in Davis.
Then factor in 1) West Village; 2) the foreclosure meltdown, and you do not have an atmosphere conducive to more development of residential housing. What we do need is more commercial development to increase tax revenue.
More Commercial Development said…
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality.
It would appear that the developers of Covell Village have seized upon the notion that the only remaining demand left in the housing market available to them is being generated by upper middle income seniors. The concept being that there are a lot of them on around the state interested in retiring to a purportedly well educated, village environment like Davis.
Hence, the first stage of the development is senior housing, in the hope that overall housing market recovers by the time it is built out, enabling them to return to building the kind of profitable projects that have built in recent years.
Sounds dubious to me, but the alternative is admitting that the real estate market is going to continue to be moribund for quite awhile.
–Richard Estes
More Commercial Development said…
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality.
It would appear that the developers of Covell Village have seized upon the notion that the only remaining demand left in the housing market available to them is being generated by upper middle income seniors. The concept being that there are a lot of them on around the state interested in retiring to a purportedly well educated, village environment like Davis.
Hence, the first stage of the development is senior housing, in the hope that overall housing market recovers by the time it is built out, enabling them to return to building the kind of profitable projects that have built in recent years.
Sounds dubious to me, but the alternative is admitting that the real estate market is going to continue to be moribund for quite awhile.
–Richard Estes
More Commercial Development said…
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality.
It would appear that the developers of Covell Village have seized upon the notion that the only remaining demand left in the housing market available to them is being generated by upper middle income seniors. The concept being that there are a lot of them on around the state interested in retiring to a purportedly well educated, village environment like Davis.
Hence, the first stage of the development is senior housing, in the hope that overall housing market recovers by the time it is built out, enabling them to return to building the kind of profitable projects that have built in recent years.
Sounds dubious to me, but the alternative is admitting that the real estate market is going to continue to be moribund for quite awhile.
–Richard Estes
More Commercial Development said…
“I think a good senior project might change 20 out of 100 minds.”
Yes, but would a new senior project of 800 units meet the ‘internal need’ for senior housing, or rather an external one. The fact of the matter is that figure was pulled out of a hat, and has no basis in reality.
It would appear that the developers of Covell Village have seized upon the notion that the only remaining demand left in the housing market available to them is being generated by upper middle income seniors. The concept being that there are a lot of them on around the state interested in retiring to a purportedly well educated, village environment like Davis.
Hence, the first stage of the development is senior housing, in the hope that overall housing market recovers by the time it is built out, enabling them to return to building the kind of profitable projects that have built in recent years.
Sounds dubious to me, but the alternative is admitting that the real estate market is going to continue to be moribund for quite awhile.
–Richard Estes