Packed House in Plainfield Airs Its Concerns About Re-Entry Facility

A large crowd that likely approached 200 people packed into Lillard Hall at the Yolo County Airport to ask questions about the new proposed Re-Entry facility. Last week, the Yolo County Airport was named as one of three possible sites for the facility.

The meeting was well-attended especially considering it was put together in just two days. Three members of the County Board of Supervisors were in attendance–subcommittee members Helen Thomson (Davis) and Matt Rexroad (Woodland) were there in official capacities. Supervisor Duane Chamberlain represents this location, he was also in attendance and briefly spoke to the large crowd. However, he is conflicted out from formal capacities.

This is a point of controversy. While he does not own the adjacent land, he farms it on a contract basis. There is considerable question as to whether he can discuss any aspects of the Re-Entry policy given his interest in this particular location. This is a point that he is going back and forth on with County Counsel.

He did briefly speak and state in no uncertain terms, he found the site completely inappropriate for this use.

Also in attendance were three members of the Davis City Council–Mayor Ruth Asmundson, Mayor Pro Tem Don Saylor, and Councilmember Lamar Heystek. More on this in just a bit.

The presentation was not orderly as intended. People were very concerned about this project and proposed location and often spoke out of turn and gave speeches rather than asking questions. However, it was nothing compared with the situation in Esparto.

From my perspective, the organizers did considerable research on the zoning ordinance, the deed, and understanding the issues with the site itself. They made a very compelling case that this site is not appropriate. Some can be dismissed perhaps as NIMBYISM, but I think to do so is to miss a good deal of very compelling arguments.

This is certainly not an inclusive list, but I will talk about some of the ones I think are critical.

First and foremost, the road infrastructure. Flat out, I do not think the county roads are suitable for the increased volume of traffic that a prison with visitors would entail. There are already safety concerns about the roads, they are narrow, they have farm equipment, and there are frequent accidents with fatalities.

Along with that concern is the distance from major highways and arterials. The closest highway is 113 in Davis. So people would have to drive from 113 approximately 8 miles out to the airport through Covell. On the other hand, the location at Madison is directly off of I-505 making it a far better location from the standpoint of traffic.

Moreover, at present there is no public transportation. Prisoners who would be released would either have to have a family member pick them up at the facility or they would be driven by CDCR personnel to the Greyhound Station in Davis. In addition, non-driving family members would have difficulty getting to the facility–and that is a crucial aspect of the program to re-orient prisoners with their families.

There is concern about lack of emergency services. The Plainfield Fire Station is actually next door. It is composed of two volunteer firefighters. In an emergency situation, they would be severely taxed to respond. That means that the Davis Fire Department would be the logical next option for major emergencies as the county lacks a fire department. The public at this meeting suspect that this facility would make a fourth Davis fire station inevitable.

Along similar lines the ambulance service comes from Davis as well and contains two vehicles. Problems at the prison facility would tax the EMR system as well.

Flooding is a big problem in the rural locations. There is apparently a slough on the backside of the airport, near where the facility would be, that floods every winter. In addition, multiple times each winter, the roads out there become impassable due to flooding. They also mentioned this is on a 100 year flood plain which would have its own dangers.

Power is problematic. Currently there is not enough power from the Plainfield substation to supply all of the power needs. This would need to be upgraded. The residents suggested that five times a year or so they lose power for extended periods of time.

The organizers also suggested that the deed to the property and the zoning are incompatible with these uses. This is somewhat in question as Supervisor Matt Rexroad suggested that recently the county has in the new general plan re-zoned this land industrial. The organizers believe that it is zoned for aviation and therefore only aviation related uses are permitted. They also made an extensive case the prison use for a portion of this land would be incompatible with the airport functions of the site.

For his part, Supervisor Matt Rexroad agrees with the concern about roads. He told the Vanguard:

“I think the road issues is the biggest one in this area. The flooding issue, power issue, and a couple others that were mentioned tonight can be solved and improved for others with this project.”

The public was also concerned that the water hook up and power upgrade would be growth inducing, making leapfrog development more likely. In addition, does bringing in 300 employees, many potentially from outside the area mean an increased housing demand.

Supervisor Rexroad disagrees however:

“It is not growth inducing.”

He then suggested to the Vanguard that much of these issues would not have come up had the Board of Supervisors proposed an airport expansion project rather than a prison project.

The City of Davis is not happy apparently about the process or the proposal. Councilmember Lamar Heystek told me that the city received absolutely no notice from the county about this proposal. While the location is outside of the pass-through agreement (by a very small margin), it is inside the Davis planning area.

Supervisor Matt Rexroad however disagrees that Davis should have been notified, arguing that this is a location several miles outside of town and they should have no input or authority whatsoever about the project.

However, the project clearly impacts Davis in a number of ways including services and roads. Unfortunately this appears to be standard operating procedure from the county in terms of notification to the city. The city was similarly angry with the county for failure to communicate on the county’s general plan proposal that included areas within Davis’ planning area that were covered by the pass-through agreement.

The public was angry as well that they seemed to get no notification for this proposal. They found out last Thursday in the newspaper.

From my perspective this is not an acceptable way to do business by the county. I saw the same issues arise in this case that arose during the general plan. The reaction by the Supervisors was somewhat defensive last night. I strongly disagree with Supervisor Rexroad on this issue.

For all of my problems and complaints with the city of Davis on a variety of topics, one thing they do is have community meetings with neighbors of proposed development sites well in advance of the actual issue. Frankly having a press release and news articles a week and a half prior to a meeting is irresponsible.

The city of Davis once again finds itself at odds with the county on development issues.

While I remain supportive of the basic concept of the re-entry facility, the process of this is increasingly concerning me. The prison expansion project for the county has already been approved by the board of supervisors and will cost $42 million for a new pod on the current facility. By allowing a re-entry facility, the county can directly recoup $30 million of that. So a huge vested financial interest by the county is driving the re-entry facility project.

While I think it is a worth-while project, I am not certain I am pleased with how the county is choosing to do business. As the CDCR spokesperson pointed out last night, in order for a project to be approved, the local jurisdiction needs to consent to the project. In the case of cities, that jurisdiction is the city council. In the case of rural areas, the Board of Superivors is the authorizing body.

The problem with this arrangement is that in the case of a city, all five members of the council represent the city as a whole. Whereas in the county, there is only one representative that represents that particular area.

Nevertheless, the cues I am getting seem to be pointing away from this location as desirable place. There is a threat of a lawsuit. The lawsuit may or may not succeed, but it would certainly delay implementation of the facility. That is probably enough to make this location less than desirable to CDCR. Factor in the roads in this location compared to Madison, and I think Madison is much more likely to end up the eventual location than the Airport.

Much of this will be determined next week at the Board of Supervisor’s meeting on Tuesday. It is clear that many of these people will pack into the chambers in order to make their voices heard.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

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  1. This “prison” is the worst single idea ever floated by this county’s politicians. Thompson, Rexroad, Prieto; obviously you don’t have any problem decreasing our quality of life in exchange for the short term gain of hundreds of millions dropped into (near) your personal laps. Why don’t you Thompson just try listening to your constituents for a change? Who made you queen? Rexroad, why don’t you crawl back to your republican stronghold in Sacramento and chainsmoke many cigars with Ahnold between backslaps for the next few years? Prieto, why don’t you just step down and let Jeff Monroe finally be sheriff? He has a much stronger claim to this county than you do, and I’m convinced actually cares about it.

    How is it this county has become hostage to this disparate cabal of self-interested dorks? We can do better. We deserve politicians whose first question always is, how can we better our quality of life? A clue for the three of you; it isn’t always about making more money so you can go on shopping sprees at our expense.

  2. This “prison” is the worst single idea ever floated by this county’s politicians. Thompson, Rexroad, Prieto; obviously you don’t have any problem decreasing our quality of life in exchange for the short term gain of hundreds of millions dropped into (near) your personal laps. Why don’t you Thompson just try listening to your constituents for a change? Who made you queen? Rexroad, why don’t you crawl back to your republican stronghold in Sacramento and chainsmoke many cigars with Ahnold between backslaps for the next few years? Prieto, why don’t you just step down and let Jeff Monroe finally be sheriff? He has a much stronger claim to this county than you do, and I’m convinced actually cares about it.

    How is it this county has become hostage to this disparate cabal of self-interested dorks? We can do better. We deserve politicians whose first question always is, how can we better our quality of life? A clue for the three of you; it isn’t always about making more money so you can go on shopping sprees at our expense.

  3. This “prison” is the worst single idea ever floated by this county’s politicians. Thompson, Rexroad, Prieto; obviously you don’t have any problem decreasing our quality of life in exchange for the short term gain of hundreds of millions dropped into (near) your personal laps. Why don’t you Thompson just try listening to your constituents for a change? Who made you queen? Rexroad, why don’t you crawl back to your republican stronghold in Sacramento and chainsmoke many cigars with Ahnold between backslaps for the next few years? Prieto, why don’t you just step down and let Jeff Monroe finally be sheriff? He has a much stronger claim to this county than you do, and I’m convinced actually cares about it.

    How is it this county has become hostage to this disparate cabal of self-interested dorks? We can do better. We deserve politicians whose first question always is, how can we better our quality of life? A clue for the three of you; it isn’t always about making more money so you can go on shopping sprees at our expense.

  4. This “prison” is the worst single idea ever floated by this county’s politicians. Thompson, Rexroad, Prieto; obviously you don’t have any problem decreasing our quality of life in exchange for the short term gain of hundreds of millions dropped into (near) your personal laps. Why don’t you Thompson just try listening to your constituents for a change? Who made you queen? Rexroad, why don’t you crawl back to your republican stronghold in Sacramento and chainsmoke many cigars with Ahnold between backslaps for the next few years? Prieto, why don’t you just step down and let Jeff Monroe finally be sheriff? He has a much stronger claim to this county than you do, and I’m convinced actually cares about it.

    How is it this county has become hostage to this disparate cabal of self-interested dorks? We can do better. We deserve politicians whose first question always is, how can we better our quality of life? A clue for the three of you; it isn’t always about making more money so you can go on shopping sprees at our expense.

  5. Does anyone else find it ironic that the supervisors supporting this proposal have offered up sites that have all been located in District 5, represented by Duane Chamberlain? And now the county counsel wants Chamberlain to recuse himself because of alleged potential conflicts of interest? Do I detect a new level of sleaze with the supervisors and the county counsel? Whatever became of representative government in Yolo County? Oh,yes, I forgot … money trumps ethics!

    But what about Davis? The proposed re-entry facility is supposed to be a benefit to the urban areas of the county that offer up the very souls who become inmates in the state prison system. This re-entry concept is supposed to better prepare these convicted felons to adapt back into the communities from which they came. Those communities are Davis, Woodland and West Sacramento. If it was up to me, I’d say okay, Davis, we’ll keep the status quo and walk away from the whole proposal and concept.

  6. Does anyone else find it ironic that the supervisors supporting this proposal have offered up sites that have all been located in District 5, represented by Duane Chamberlain? And now the county counsel wants Chamberlain to recuse himself because of alleged potential conflicts of interest? Do I detect a new level of sleaze with the supervisors and the county counsel? Whatever became of representative government in Yolo County? Oh,yes, I forgot … money trumps ethics!

    But what about Davis? The proposed re-entry facility is supposed to be a benefit to the urban areas of the county that offer up the very souls who become inmates in the state prison system. This re-entry concept is supposed to better prepare these convicted felons to adapt back into the communities from which they came. Those communities are Davis, Woodland and West Sacramento. If it was up to me, I’d say okay, Davis, we’ll keep the status quo and walk away from the whole proposal and concept.

  7. Does anyone else find it ironic that the supervisors supporting this proposal have offered up sites that have all been located in District 5, represented by Duane Chamberlain? And now the county counsel wants Chamberlain to recuse himself because of alleged potential conflicts of interest? Do I detect a new level of sleaze with the supervisors and the county counsel? Whatever became of representative government in Yolo County? Oh,yes, I forgot … money trumps ethics!

    But what about Davis? The proposed re-entry facility is supposed to be a benefit to the urban areas of the county that offer up the very souls who become inmates in the state prison system. This re-entry concept is supposed to better prepare these convicted felons to adapt back into the communities from which they came. Those communities are Davis, Woodland and West Sacramento. If it was up to me, I’d say okay, Davis, we’ll keep the status quo and walk away from the whole proposal and concept.

  8. Does anyone else find it ironic that the supervisors supporting this proposal have offered up sites that have all been located in District 5, represented by Duane Chamberlain? And now the county counsel wants Chamberlain to recuse himself because of alleged potential conflicts of interest? Do I detect a new level of sleaze with the supervisors and the county counsel? Whatever became of representative government in Yolo County? Oh,yes, I forgot … money trumps ethics!

    But what about Davis? The proposed re-entry facility is supposed to be a benefit to the urban areas of the county that offer up the very souls who become inmates in the state prison system. This re-entry concept is supposed to better prepare these convicted felons to adapt back into the communities from which they came. Those communities are Davis, Woodland and West Sacramento. If it was up to me, I’d say okay, Davis, we’ll keep the status quo and walk away from the whole proposal and concept.

  9. I’m sick of people continually putting up various ‘concerns’ to try to stop any project at all in the County. Doesn’t matter if it is Conaway Ranch acquisition, new parks, new roads, new housing, a re-entry facility, a new tomato seedling facility, the same thing is heard at every meeting: water, roads, fire, safety, incompatability with adjacent uses, etc.
    I’ve had it. Just build the damn facility to spite the neighbors. I’m sick of the whining.

  10. I’m sick of people continually putting up various ‘concerns’ to try to stop any project at all in the County. Doesn’t matter if it is Conaway Ranch acquisition, new parks, new roads, new housing, a re-entry facility, a new tomato seedling facility, the same thing is heard at every meeting: water, roads, fire, safety, incompatability with adjacent uses, etc.
    I’ve had it. Just build the damn facility to spite the neighbors. I’m sick of the whining.

  11. I’m sick of people continually putting up various ‘concerns’ to try to stop any project at all in the County. Doesn’t matter if it is Conaway Ranch acquisition, new parks, new roads, new housing, a re-entry facility, a new tomato seedling facility, the same thing is heard at every meeting: water, roads, fire, safety, incompatability with adjacent uses, etc.
    I’ve had it. Just build the damn facility to spite the neighbors. I’m sick of the whining.

  12. I’m sick of people continually putting up various ‘concerns’ to try to stop any project at all in the County. Doesn’t matter if it is Conaway Ranch acquisition, new parks, new roads, new housing, a re-entry facility, a new tomato seedling facility, the same thing is heard at every meeting: water, roads, fire, safety, incompatability with adjacent uses, etc.
    I’ve had it. Just build the damn facility to spite the neighbors. I’m sick of the whining.

  13. I have a big problem with that comment, Just Build It.

    First of all, it’s simply a bad location. The road structure alone necessitates another spot. So for you to say just build it regardless of concerns is a problem. I doubt the Supervisors will select this spot based on that problem.

    Second, its easy to call people NIMBY’s, to me that a cheap way out of a debate. I think at the very least you owe to actually evaluate the claims. These are people’s lives and people’s life savings are sunk into a given property, their lives are sunk into a community, and your attitude stinks frankly. I have a real problem with it.

    You have an obligation to evaluate the merits of each site. You may based on that evaluation go ahead with it, but you never just build it.

  14. I have a big problem with that comment, Just Build It.

    First of all, it’s simply a bad location. The road structure alone necessitates another spot. So for you to say just build it regardless of concerns is a problem. I doubt the Supervisors will select this spot based on that problem.

    Second, its easy to call people NIMBY’s, to me that a cheap way out of a debate. I think at the very least you owe to actually evaluate the claims. These are people’s lives and people’s life savings are sunk into a given property, their lives are sunk into a community, and your attitude stinks frankly. I have a real problem with it.

    You have an obligation to evaluate the merits of each site. You may based on that evaluation go ahead with it, but you never just build it.

  15. I have a big problem with that comment, Just Build It.

    First of all, it’s simply a bad location. The road structure alone necessitates another spot. So for you to say just build it regardless of concerns is a problem. I doubt the Supervisors will select this spot based on that problem.

    Second, its easy to call people NIMBY’s, to me that a cheap way out of a debate. I think at the very least you owe to actually evaluate the claims. These are people’s lives and people’s life savings are sunk into a given property, their lives are sunk into a community, and your attitude stinks frankly. I have a real problem with it.

    You have an obligation to evaluate the merits of each site. You may based on that evaluation go ahead with it, but you never just build it.

  16. I have a big problem with that comment, Just Build It.

    First of all, it’s simply a bad location. The road structure alone necessitates another spot. So for you to say just build it regardless of concerns is a problem. I doubt the Supervisors will select this spot based on that problem.

    Second, its easy to call people NIMBY’s, to me that a cheap way out of a debate. I think at the very least you owe to actually evaluate the claims. These are people’s lives and people’s life savings are sunk into a given property, their lives are sunk into a community, and your attitude stinks frankly. I have a real problem with it.

    You have an obligation to evaluate the merits of each site. You may based on that evaluation go ahead with it, but you never just build it.

  17. Since Davis is bike friendly, the public transportation problem can be solved by just giving the released individuals a bicyle to come into Davis. If Davis views itself as liberal, it should be more supportive of this type of a facility.

  18. Since Davis is bike friendly, the public transportation problem can be solved by just giving the released individuals a bicyle to come into Davis. If Davis views itself as liberal, it should be more supportive of this type of a facility.

  19. Since Davis is bike friendly, the public transportation problem can be solved by just giving the released individuals a bicyle to come into Davis. If Davis views itself as liberal, it should be more supportive of this type of a facility.

  20. Since Davis is bike friendly, the public transportation problem can be solved by just giving the released individuals a bicyle to come into Davis. If Davis views itself as liberal, it should be more supportive of this type of a facility.

  21. The re-entry facility is an excellent idea and a needed service to the county. It’s taking criminals who’re going to come back into our community, and trying to turn them straight. Finally we’ll have a reform system, not a jail system that trains offenders to become better criminals.

    Nobody wants this thing though. Big surprise! I read the laws, and it says the cities have veto power. So if Duane’s supposed to be defending us, why’d he vote for it in the first place?

  22. The re-entry facility is an excellent idea and a needed service to the county. It’s taking criminals who’re going to come back into our community, and trying to turn them straight. Finally we’ll have a reform system, not a jail system that trains offenders to become better criminals.

    Nobody wants this thing though. Big surprise! I read the laws, and it says the cities have veto power. So if Duane’s supposed to be defending us, why’d he vote for it in the first place?

  23. The re-entry facility is an excellent idea and a needed service to the county. It’s taking criminals who’re going to come back into our community, and trying to turn them straight. Finally we’ll have a reform system, not a jail system that trains offenders to become better criminals.

    Nobody wants this thing though. Big surprise! I read the laws, and it says the cities have veto power. So if Duane’s supposed to be defending us, why’d he vote for it in the first place?

  24. The re-entry facility is an excellent idea and a needed service to the county. It’s taking criminals who’re going to come back into our community, and trying to turn them straight. Finally we’ll have a reform system, not a jail system that trains offenders to become better criminals.

    Nobody wants this thing though. Big surprise! I read the laws, and it says the cities have veto power. So if Duane’s supposed to be defending us, why’d he vote for it in the first place?

  25. Sorry, I’ve been erasing rude and inappropriate statements all morning, wasn’t feeling funny at the moment.

    In a vacuum I would agree with you–Davis ought to be supportive of a project like this.

    In practice, I think there are irrational fears when it comes to prisons. There are also other considerations that mitigate against this location that should be taken into account.

  26. Sorry, I’ve been erasing rude and inappropriate statements all morning, wasn’t feeling funny at the moment.

    In a vacuum I would agree with you–Davis ought to be supportive of a project like this.

    In practice, I think there are irrational fears when it comes to prisons. There are also other considerations that mitigate against this location that should be taken into account.

  27. Sorry, I’ve been erasing rude and inappropriate statements all morning, wasn’t feeling funny at the moment.

    In a vacuum I would agree with you–Davis ought to be supportive of a project like this.

    In practice, I think there are irrational fears when it comes to prisons. There are also other considerations that mitigate against this location that should be taken into account.

  28. Sorry, I’ve been erasing rude and inappropriate statements all morning, wasn’t feeling funny at the moment.

    In a vacuum I would agree with you–Davis ought to be supportive of a project like this.

    In practice, I think there are irrational fears when it comes to prisons. There are also other considerations that mitigate against this location that should be taken into account.

  29. Your comment “….The public was angry as well that they seemed to get no notification for this proposal. They found out last Thursday in the newspaper…” begs the following question:

    Is it typical for major decisions to be made within the unincorporated areas of Yolo
    County without a public forum involving all affected parties?

  30. Your comment “….The public was angry as well that they seemed to get no notification for this proposal. They found out last Thursday in the newspaper…” begs the following question:

    Is it typical for major decisions to be made within the unincorporated areas of Yolo
    County without a public forum involving all affected parties?

  31. Your comment “….The public was angry as well that they seemed to get no notification for this proposal. They found out last Thursday in the newspaper…” begs the following question:

    Is it typical for major decisions to be made within the unincorporated areas of Yolo
    County without a public forum involving all affected parties?

  32. Your comment “….The public was angry as well that they seemed to get no notification for this proposal. They found out last Thursday in the newspaper…” begs the following question:

    Is it typical for major decisions to be made within the unincorporated areas of Yolo
    County without a public forum involving all affected parties?

  33. wasn’t this outcome pretty obvious? it doesn’t say much for the ability to the supervisors to anticipate the extent of opposition and the fact that the inadequacy of necessary services would present strong legal and political grounds for stopping it

    as long as allow ourselves to be constrained by irrational fears in regard to public advocacy, instead of challenging them, expect more outcomes of this kind in relation to a wide array of public services

    people had similar attitudes about the mentally disordered when Pinetree Gardens was proposed years ago, and they were overcome, maybe there is a lesson to be learned there

    –Richard Estes

  34. wasn’t this outcome pretty obvious? it doesn’t say much for the ability to the supervisors to anticipate the extent of opposition and the fact that the inadequacy of necessary services would present strong legal and political grounds for stopping it

    as long as allow ourselves to be constrained by irrational fears in regard to public advocacy, instead of challenging them, expect more outcomes of this kind in relation to a wide array of public services

    people had similar attitudes about the mentally disordered when Pinetree Gardens was proposed years ago, and they were overcome, maybe there is a lesson to be learned there

    –Richard Estes

  35. wasn’t this outcome pretty obvious? it doesn’t say much for the ability to the supervisors to anticipate the extent of opposition and the fact that the inadequacy of necessary services would present strong legal and political grounds for stopping it

    as long as allow ourselves to be constrained by irrational fears in regard to public advocacy, instead of challenging them, expect more outcomes of this kind in relation to a wide array of public services

    people had similar attitudes about the mentally disordered when Pinetree Gardens was proposed years ago, and they were overcome, maybe there is a lesson to be learned there

    –Richard Estes

  36. wasn’t this outcome pretty obvious? it doesn’t say much for the ability to the supervisors to anticipate the extent of opposition and the fact that the inadequacy of necessary services would present strong legal and political grounds for stopping it

    as long as allow ourselves to be constrained by irrational fears in regard to public advocacy, instead of challenging them, expect more outcomes of this kind in relation to a wide array of public services

    people had similar attitudes about the mentally disordered when Pinetree Gardens was proposed years ago, and they were overcome, maybe there is a lesson to be learned there

    –Richard Estes

  37. The site was chosen because it is land that the County has some control over. The first choice was to put in Woodland right next to the jail, but the State said that it wasn’t a large enough space and Woodland said that they would veto it. This has sent the Supervisors on a search for a location for it.

    They would not have to do this if one of the cities would be agreeable to accepting it. Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.

    I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing. I’m tired about complaints about process for everything that happens in Davis. It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything? When did we become a city of whiners? We’re here and now talking about this project. Come up to speed and participate.

    Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it? Or would people see that as growth inducing? The arguments against making improvements are so predictable. It’s like a broken record spewing out the same old sounds.

    This is not a biolab. This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it. Topete is an excellent example of what can happen if we don’t do this. The prisoners who will be housed there will be at the last year of their confinement and have everything to lose if they try to escape. These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes. The fears are unfounded.

    This is going to be a small facility and the fear that it is going to turn into a regular prison is ridiculous. Who ever heard of a 500 bed prison? Also, the County can help to prevent expansion by limiting the size of the site.

    Again, this is not a biolab folks.

    This is NIMBYISM pure and simple. If it wasn’t, the conversation would be about solving the problems, instead of outrage over the mere idea.

  38. The site was chosen because it is land that the County has some control over. The first choice was to put in Woodland right next to the jail, but the State said that it wasn’t a large enough space and Woodland said that they would veto it. This has sent the Supervisors on a search for a location for it.

    They would not have to do this if one of the cities would be agreeable to accepting it. Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.

    I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing. I’m tired about complaints about process for everything that happens in Davis. It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything? When did we become a city of whiners? We’re here and now talking about this project. Come up to speed and participate.

    Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it? Or would people see that as growth inducing? The arguments against making improvements are so predictable. It’s like a broken record spewing out the same old sounds.

    This is not a biolab. This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it. Topete is an excellent example of what can happen if we don’t do this. The prisoners who will be housed there will be at the last year of their confinement and have everything to lose if they try to escape. These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes. The fears are unfounded.

    This is going to be a small facility and the fear that it is going to turn into a regular prison is ridiculous. Who ever heard of a 500 bed prison? Also, the County can help to prevent expansion by limiting the size of the site.

    Again, this is not a biolab folks.

    This is NIMBYISM pure and simple. If it wasn’t, the conversation would be about solving the problems, instead of outrage over the mere idea.

  39. The site was chosen because it is land that the County has some control over. The first choice was to put in Woodland right next to the jail, but the State said that it wasn’t a large enough space and Woodland said that they would veto it. This has sent the Supervisors on a search for a location for it.

    They would not have to do this if one of the cities would be agreeable to accepting it. Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.

    I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing. I’m tired about complaints about process for everything that happens in Davis. It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything? When did we become a city of whiners? We’re here and now talking about this project. Come up to speed and participate.

    Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it? Or would people see that as growth inducing? The arguments against making improvements are so predictable. It’s like a broken record spewing out the same old sounds.

    This is not a biolab. This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it. Topete is an excellent example of what can happen if we don’t do this. The prisoners who will be housed there will be at the last year of their confinement and have everything to lose if they try to escape. These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes. The fears are unfounded.

    This is going to be a small facility and the fear that it is going to turn into a regular prison is ridiculous. Who ever heard of a 500 bed prison? Also, the County can help to prevent expansion by limiting the size of the site.

    Again, this is not a biolab folks.

    This is NIMBYISM pure and simple. If it wasn’t, the conversation would be about solving the problems, instead of outrage over the mere idea.

  40. The site was chosen because it is land that the County has some control over. The first choice was to put in Woodland right next to the jail, but the State said that it wasn’t a large enough space and Woodland said that they would veto it. This has sent the Supervisors on a search for a location for it.

    They would not have to do this if one of the cities would be agreeable to accepting it. Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.

    I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing. I’m tired about complaints about process for everything that happens in Davis. It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything? When did we become a city of whiners? We’re here and now talking about this project. Come up to speed and participate.

    Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it? Or would people see that as growth inducing? The arguments against making improvements are so predictable. It’s like a broken record spewing out the same old sounds.

    This is not a biolab. This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it. Topete is an excellent example of what can happen if we don’t do this. The prisoners who will be housed there will be at the last year of their confinement and have everything to lose if they try to escape. These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes. The fears are unfounded.

    This is going to be a small facility and the fear that it is going to turn into a regular prison is ridiculous. Who ever heard of a 500 bed prison? Also, the County can help to prevent expansion by limiting the size of the site.

    Again, this is not a biolab folks.

    This is NIMBYISM pure and simple. If it wasn’t, the conversation would be about solving the problems, instead of outrage over the mere idea.

  41. The location near the Yolo County Airport is not appropriate. The road system is not set up for a major urban use. The facility will be a major draw for more urban development. (Put the jobs out there, and everyone will want to build housing for the workforce>-)

    Is the Airport within the sphere of required CC approval pursuant to the Pass Through Agreement of 2001? If not, it is still very close the edges … our CC should officially get involved and tell the County that the City does not want that major urban development sitting out there without urban services and connections to a nearby city.

  42. The location near the Yolo County Airport is not appropriate. The road system is not set up for a major urban use. The facility will be a major draw for more urban development. (Put the jobs out there, and everyone will want to build housing for the workforce>-)

    Is the Airport within the sphere of required CC approval pursuant to the Pass Through Agreement of 2001? If not, it is still very close the edges … our CC should officially get involved and tell the County that the City does not want that major urban development sitting out there without urban services and connections to a nearby city.

  43. The location near the Yolo County Airport is not appropriate. The road system is not set up for a major urban use. The facility will be a major draw for more urban development. (Put the jobs out there, and everyone will want to build housing for the workforce>-)

    Is the Airport within the sphere of required CC approval pursuant to the Pass Through Agreement of 2001? If not, it is still very close the edges … our CC should officially get involved and tell the County that the City does not want that major urban development sitting out there without urban services and connections to a nearby city.

  44. The location near the Yolo County Airport is not appropriate. The road system is not set up for a major urban use. The facility will be a major draw for more urban development. (Put the jobs out there, and everyone will want to build housing for the workforce>-)

    Is the Airport within the sphere of required CC approval pursuant to the Pass Through Agreement of 2001? If not, it is still very close the edges … our CC should officially get involved and tell the County that the City does not want that major urban development sitting out there without urban services and connections to a nearby city.

  45. “The closest highway is 113 in Davis. So people would have to drive from 113 approximately 8 miles out to the airport through Covell.”

    FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.

    In case someone was not aware of how the county roads are “named,” it is a factor of mileage. County Road 25 is 25 miles from our northern border; Road 29 is 29 miles from the northern border and 4 miles south of Road 25. In Woodland on Court Street, Road 99 (there called West Street) is exactly 99 miles from the Pacific Ocean. Road 98 (on the Court Street axis) is 98 miles from the ocean, and 1 mile west of 99.

    Hwy 113 used to be called Road 99W. It was almost where a Road 100 would have been. Thus it is almost 5 miles from Road 95.

  46. “The closest highway is 113 in Davis. So people would have to drive from 113 approximately 8 miles out to the airport through Covell.”

    FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.

    In case someone was not aware of how the county roads are “named,” it is a factor of mileage. County Road 25 is 25 miles from our northern border; Road 29 is 29 miles from the northern border and 4 miles south of Road 25. In Woodland on Court Street, Road 99 (there called West Street) is exactly 99 miles from the Pacific Ocean. Road 98 (on the Court Street axis) is 98 miles from the ocean, and 1 mile west of 99.

    Hwy 113 used to be called Road 99W. It was almost where a Road 100 would have been. Thus it is almost 5 miles from Road 95.

  47. “The closest highway is 113 in Davis. So people would have to drive from 113 approximately 8 miles out to the airport through Covell.”

    FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.

    In case someone was not aware of how the county roads are “named,” it is a factor of mileage. County Road 25 is 25 miles from our northern border; Road 29 is 29 miles from the northern border and 4 miles south of Road 25. In Woodland on Court Street, Road 99 (there called West Street) is exactly 99 miles from the Pacific Ocean. Road 98 (on the Court Street axis) is 98 miles from the ocean, and 1 mile west of 99.

    Hwy 113 used to be called Road 99W. It was almost where a Road 100 would have been. Thus it is almost 5 miles from Road 95.

  48. “The closest highway is 113 in Davis. So people would have to drive from 113 approximately 8 miles out to the airport through Covell.”

    FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.

    In case someone was not aware of how the county roads are “named,” it is a factor of mileage. County Road 25 is 25 miles from our northern border; Road 29 is 29 miles from the northern border and 4 miles south of Road 25. In Woodland on Court Street, Road 99 (there called West Street) is exactly 99 miles from the Pacific Ocean. Road 98 (on the Court Street axis) is 98 miles from the ocean, and 1 mile west of 99.

    Hwy 113 used to be called Road 99W. It was almost where a Road 100 would have been. Thus it is almost 5 miles from Road 95.

  49. Embarrassed:

    I don’t understand what about this debate could embarrass you, especially since 95 percent of the people at the location last night were not Davis Citizens but rather rural residents of Yolo County.

    I’m going to go through this point by point. I think you make some good point, some bad points, and your information is incorrect on one of your points.

    “Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.”

    I agree with this point. The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland. Neither city has stepped up to date.

    “I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing.”

    I have been following the debate from the beginning as well, I feel that anyone following it would have learned three locations for the first time last Thursday–in a press release. Had this occurred in the city of Davis, there would have been neighborhood meetings well in advance. One of the chief complaints from the cities in Yolo County is the lack of communication from the County to the municipalities. These come from both elected councilmembers and paid city staff.

    “It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. “

    There is a process by which these discussions should occur. For example, there was a lot of misinformation being passed around last night at the meeting. The county and CCRA really did not have an opportunity to sit down and inform the resident about the program. Yes, I think a prolonged process would have enabled people to gain better insight into the program and then they could have discussed more site specific information.

    “Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything?”

    I think a week earlier would not have been sufficient either. For example, housing developments in Davis get discussed over a period of months if not years with the residents weighing in on the process and working to mitigate concerns, long before a decision is ever reached. It is a lengthy process but a vital one. The county does not seem to operate in that manner.

    “When did we become a city of whiners?”

    This is not really a city issue at all, most of the people at the meeting were rural residents.

    “Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it?”

    All of that requires money and resources, some of which we probably do not have. Where would the public safety funding come from? Would it require the city of Davis to provide fire and EMR? Aren’t those issues that the city of Davis should be involved in. I’m not saying those are deal killers, but they certainly are valid concerns.

    “Or would people see that as growth inducing?”

    Is it not conceivable that some of them might be? And that a person concerned about growth might not want to see such things come to pass?

    “This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it.”

    I’m in agreement with this goal.

    “These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes.”

    What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.

    “This is NIMBYISM pure and simple.”

    For someone who wants a discussion, the label game is a discussion closer.

    My final comment again, I think the utilitiy and public safety issues can be resolved. The road issue cannot and is probably the deal breaker here.

  50. Embarrassed:

    I don’t understand what about this debate could embarrass you, especially since 95 percent of the people at the location last night were not Davis Citizens but rather rural residents of Yolo County.

    I’m going to go through this point by point. I think you make some good point, some bad points, and your information is incorrect on one of your points.

    “Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.”

    I agree with this point. The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland. Neither city has stepped up to date.

    “I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing.”

    I have been following the debate from the beginning as well, I feel that anyone following it would have learned three locations for the first time last Thursday–in a press release. Had this occurred in the city of Davis, there would have been neighborhood meetings well in advance. One of the chief complaints from the cities in Yolo County is the lack of communication from the County to the municipalities. These come from both elected councilmembers and paid city staff.

    “It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. “

    There is a process by which these discussions should occur. For example, there was a lot of misinformation being passed around last night at the meeting. The county and CCRA really did not have an opportunity to sit down and inform the resident about the program. Yes, I think a prolonged process would have enabled people to gain better insight into the program and then they could have discussed more site specific information.

    “Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything?”

    I think a week earlier would not have been sufficient either. For example, housing developments in Davis get discussed over a period of months if not years with the residents weighing in on the process and working to mitigate concerns, long before a decision is ever reached. It is a lengthy process but a vital one. The county does not seem to operate in that manner.

    “When did we become a city of whiners?”

    This is not really a city issue at all, most of the people at the meeting were rural residents.

    “Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it?”

    All of that requires money and resources, some of which we probably do not have. Where would the public safety funding come from? Would it require the city of Davis to provide fire and EMR? Aren’t those issues that the city of Davis should be involved in. I’m not saying those are deal killers, but they certainly are valid concerns.

    “Or would people see that as growth inducing?”

    Is it not conceivable that some of them might be? And that a person concerned about growth might not want to see such things come to pass?

    “This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it.”

    I’m in agreement with this goal.

    “These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes.”

    What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.

    “This is NIMBYISM pure and simple.”

    For someone who wants a discussion, the label game is a discussion closer.

    My final comment again, I think the utilitiy and public safety issues can be resolved. The road issue cannot and is probably the deal breaker here.

  51. Embarrassed:

    I don’t understand what about this debate could embarrass you, especially since 95 percent of the people at the location last night were not Davis Citizens but rather rural residents of Yolo County.

    I’m going to go through this point by point. I think you make some good point, some bad points, and your information is incorrect on one of your points.

    “Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.”

    I agree with this point. The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland. Neither city has stepped up to date.

    “I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing.”

    I have been following the debate from the beginning as well, I feel that anyone following it would have learned three locations for the first time last Thursday–in a press release. Had this occurred in the city of Davis, there would have been neighborhood meetings well in advance. One of the chief complaints from the cities in Yolo County is the lack of communication from the County to the municipalities. These come from both elected councilmembers and paid city staff.

    “It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. “

    There is a process by which these discussions should occur. For example, there was a lot of misinformation being passed around last night at the meeting. The county and CCRA really did not have an opportunity to sit down and inform the resident about the program. Yes, I think a prolonged process would have enabled people to gain better insight into the program and then they could have discussed more site specific information.

    “Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything?”

    I think a week earlier would not have been sufficient either. For example, housing developments in Davis get discussed over a period of months if not years with the residents weighing in on the process and working to mitigate concerns, long before a decision is ever reached. It is a lengthy process but a vital one. The county does not seem to operate in that manner.

    “When did we become a city of whiners?”

    This is not really a city issue at all, most of the people at the meeting were rural residents.

    “Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it?”

    All of that requires money and resources, some of which we probably do not have. Where would the public safety funding come from? Would it require the city of Davis to provide fire and EMR? Aren’t those issues that the city of Davis should be involved in. I’m not saying those are deal killers, but they certainly are valid concerns.

    “Or would people see that as growth inducing?”

    Is it not conceivable that some of them might be? And that a person concerned about growth might not want to see such things come to pass?

    “This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it.”

    I’m in agreement with this goal.

    “These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes.”

    What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.

    “This is NIMBYISM pure and simple.”

    For someone who wants a discussion, the label game is a discussion closer.

    My final comment again, I think the utilitiy and public safety issues can be resolved. The road issue cannot and is probably the deal breaker here.

  52. Embarrassed:

    I don’t understand what about this debate could embarrass you, especially since 95 percent of the people at the location last night were not Davis Citizens but rather rural residents of Yolo County.

    I’m going to go through this point by point. I think you make some good point, some bad points, and your information is incorrect on one of your points.

    “Most, if not all, of the arguments against placing it out in the country would be solved if it were placed in an industrial area of one of the cities in Yolo County.”

    I agree with this point. The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland. Neither city has stepped up to date.

    “I agree that the complaints about lack of notification are just the usual whining that comes out of Davis. I’ve been following this issue from the beginning and feel that I’ve been informed in a timely fashion about what they are doing.”

    I have been following the debate from the beginning as well, I feel that anyone following it would have learned three locations for the first time last Thursday–in a press release. Had this occurred in the city of Davis, there would have been neighborhood meetings well in advance. One of the chief complaints from the cities in Yolo County is the lack of communication from the County to the municipalities. These come from both elected councilmembers and paid city staff.

    “It just doesn’t matter and discussing it doesn’t move us forward. “

    There is a process by which these discussions should occur. For example, there was a lot of misinformation being passed around last night at the meeting. The county and CCRA really did not have an opportunity to sit down and inform the resident about the program. Yes, I think a prolonged process would have enabled people to gain better insight into the program and then they could have discussed more site specific information.

    “Do people really think that complaining about not being informed a week earlier will result in anything?”

    I think a week earlier would not have been sufficient either. For example, housing developments in Davis get discussed over a period of months if not years with the residents weighing in on the process and working to mitigate concerns, long before a decision is ever reached. It is a lengthy process but a vital one. The county does not seem to operate in that manner.

    “When did we become a city of whiners?”

    This is not really a city issue at all, most of the people at the meeting were rural residents.

    “Since we now are informed that this area of the County lacks dependable utilities and public safety service, shouldn’t we now fix it?”

    All of that requires money and resources, some of which we probably do not have. Where would the public safety funding come from? Would it require the city of Davis to provide fire and EMR? Aren’t those issues that the city of Davis should be involved in. I’m not saying those are deal killers, but they certainly are valid concerns.

    “Or would people see that as growth inducing?”

    Is it not conceivable that some of them might be? And that a person concerned about growth might not want to see such things come to pass?

    “This is about trying to help prisoners released back into the community a chance to make it.”

    I’m in agreement with this goal.

    “These are not going to be lifers or people who have committed violent crimes.”

    What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.

    “This is NIMBYISM pure and simple.”

    For someone who wants a discussion, the label game is a discussion closer.

    My final comment again, I think the utilitiy and public safety issues can be resolved. The road issue cannot and is probably the deal breaker here.

  53. Rich:

    “FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.”

    Interesting, I clocked it at 5.7 miles from my apartment complex to the complex. I’m less than half a mile from Lake and Covell, so I estimated it was a little further than that from 113. Five miles seems a little close from 113 to Road 95 at least through Davis.

  54. Rich:

    “FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.”

    Interesting, I clocked it at 5.7 miles from my apartment complex to the complex. I’m less than half a mile from Lake and Covell, so I estimated it was a little further than that from 113. Five miles seems a little close from 113 to Road 95 at least through Davis.

  55. Rich:

    “FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.”

    Interesting, I clocked it at 5.7 miles from my apartment complex to the complex. I’m less than half a mile from Lake and Covell, so I estimated it was a little further than that from 113. Five miles seems a little close from 113 to Road 95 at least through Davis.

  56. Rich:

    “FWIW, it’s a bit under 5 miles from 113 to Road 95, and then less than a half mile more to the airport itself.”

    Interesting, I clocked it at 5.7 miles from my apartment complex to the complex. I’m less than half a mile from Lake and Covell, so I estimated it was a little further than that from 113. Five miles seems a little close from 113 to Road 95 at least through Davis.

  57. Anonymous 10:53:

    “FYI, there has been plenty of notice. This item has been talked about for several months in the Board of Supervisors meetings, and the list of locations has been floating around. Read your Board agendas and minutes instead of blaming others for your own ignorance.

    Or if you have to blame someone, blame the newspapers for inadequate reporting on the issue. But don’t blame the Board for doing their job precisely as they’re supposed to.”

    I completely disagree with you on this. I’ve laid out in two different locations what I believe the optimal procedure would have been–which would have been to have advanced community meetings at an earlier stage. This is what the city of Davis does for housing developments, why is the county not following the same procedure for a prison?

    Second, I think there is a fundamental lack of communication going on between the city and the county. The city is not happy about how this came down. This is not how the county should be doing business, but consistently it is how they do business and it gets them into trouble every single time.

  58. Anonymous 10:53:

    “FYI, there has been plenty of notice. This item has been talked about for several months in the Board of Supervisors meetings, and the list of locations has been floating around. Read your Board agendas and minutes instead of blaming others for your own ignorance.

    Or if you have to blame someone, blame the newspapers for inadequate reporting on the issue. But don’t blame the Board for doing their job precisely as they’re supposed to.”

    I completely disagree with you on this. I’ve laid out in two different locations what I believe the optimal procedure would have been–which would have been to have advanced community meetings at an earlier stage. This is what the city of Davis does for housing developments, why is the county not following the same procedure for a prison?

    Second, I think there is a fundamental lack of communication going on between the city and the county. The city is not happy about how this came down. This is not how the county should be doing business, but consistently it is how they do business and it gets them into trouble every single time.

  59. Anonymous 10:53:

    “FYI, there has been plenty of notice. This item has been talked about for several months in the Board of Supervisors meetings, and the list of locations has been floating around. Read your Board agendas and minutes instead of blaming others for your own ignorance.

    Or if you have to blame someone, blame the newspapers for inadequate reporting on the issue. But don’t blame the Board for doing their job precisely as they’re supposed to.”

    I completely disagree with you on this. I’ve laid out in two different locations what I believe the optimal procedure would have been–which would have been to have advanced community meetings at an earlier stage. This is what the city of Davis does for housing developments, why is the county not following the same procedure for a prison?

    Second, I think there is a fundamental lack of communication going on between the city and the county. The city is not happy about how this came down. This is not how the county should be doing business, but consistently it is how they do business and it gets them into trouble every single time.

  60. Anonymous 10:53:

    “FYI, there has been plenty of notice. This item has been talked about for several months in the Board of Supervisors meetings, and the list of locations has been floating around. Read your Board agendas and minutes instead of blaming others for your own ignorance.

    Or if you have to blame someone, blame the newspapers for inadequate reporting on the issue. But don’t blame the Board for doing their job precisely as they’re supposed to.”

    I completely disagree with you on this. I’ve laid out in two different locations what I believe the optimal procedure would have been–which would have been to have advanced community meetings at an earlier stage. This is what the city of Davis does for housing developments, why is the county not following the same procedure for a prison?

    Second, I think there is a fundamental lack of communication going on between the city and the county. The city is not happy about how this came down. This is not how the county should be doing business, but consistently it is how they do business and it gets them into trouble every single time.

  61. Don Shor said…

    Richard, you don’t see the difference between a residential mental health facility and a prison?

    Of course, the facilities are different, and the populations they serve are different, but the public attitude towards mentally disordered people is not that different from the attitude towards felons, just look at the public willingness to support the involuntary detention of mentally disordered people, with much reduced, if not eliminated, due process rights, because they might commit crimes, and the public tendency to exaggerate, if not manufacture fears out of whole cloth, is exactly the same.

    Public fears were alleviated because Pinetree Gardens has been well run, and the same could happen with the re-entry facility as well.

    –Richard

  62. Don Shor said…

    Richard, you don’t see the difference between a residential mental health facility and a prison?

    Of course, the facilities are different, and the populations they serve are different, but the public attitude towards mentally disordered people is not that different from the attitude towards felons, just look at the public willingness to support the involuntary detention of mentally disordered people, with much reduced, if not eliminated, due process rights, because they might commit crimes, and the public tendency to exaggerate, if not manufacture fears out of whole cloth, is exactly the same.

    Public fears were alleviated because Pinetree Gardens has been well run, and the same could happen with the re-entry facility as well.

    –Richard

  63. Don Shor said…

    Richard, you don’t see the difference between a residential mental health facility and a prison?

    Of course, the facilities are different, and the populations they serve are different, but the public attitude towards mentally disordered people is not that different from the attitude towards felons, just look at the public willingness to support the involuntary detention of mentally disordered people, with much reduced, if not eliminated, due process rights, because they might commit crimes, and the public tendency to exaggerate, if not manufacture fears out of whole cloth, is exactly the same.

    Public fears were alleviated because Pinetree Gardens has been well run, and the same could happen with the re-entry facility as well.

    –Richard

  64. Don Shor said…

    Richard, you don’t see the difference between a residential mental health facility and a prison?

    Of course, the facilities are different, and the populations they serve are different, but the public attitude towards mentally disordered people is not that different from the attitude towards felons, just look at the public willingness to support the involuntary detention of mentally disordered people, with much reduced, if not eliminated, due process rights, because they might commit crimes, and the public tendency to exaggerate, if not manufacture fears out of whole cloth, is exactly the same.

    Public fears were alleviated because Pinetree Gardens has been well run, and the same could happen with the re-entry facility as well.

    –Richard

  65. David,

    It’s probable your odometer is inaccurate. If you check it on Google maps, you’ll see it is a bit under 5 miles.

    Being that Lake Blvd is Road 99 (at Covell), it is a bit under 1 mile from Hwy 113 to Lake Blvd.

  66. David,

    It’s probable your odometer is inaccurate. If you check it on Google maps, you’ll see it is a bit under 5 miles.

    Being that Lake Blvd is Road 99 (at Covell), it is a bit under 1 mile from Hwy 113 to Lake Blvd.

  67. David,

    It’s probable your odometer is inaccurate. If you check it on Google maps, you’ll see it is a bit under 5 miles.

    Being that Lake Blvd is Road 99 (at Covell), it is a bit under 1 mile from Hwy 113 to Lake Blvd.

  68. David,

    It’s probable your odometer is inaccurate. If you check it on Google maps, you’ll see it is a bit under 5 miles.

    Being that Lake Blvd is Road 99 (at Covell), it is a bit under 1 mile from Hwy 113 to Lake Blvd.

  69. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.

  70. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.

  71. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.

  72. There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.

  73. “The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland.”

    I may be misinformed on this point, but I thought the prisoners would be from Yolo and Solano counties. As such, I would expect the majority to come from larger Solano county cities, Vacaville, Fairfield and Vallejo, with a minority coming from Yolo County.

  74. “The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland.”

    I may be misinformed on this point, but I thought the prisoners would be from Yolo and Solano counties. As such, I would expect the majority to come from larger Solano county cities, Vacaville, Fairfield and Vallejo, with a minority coming from Yolo County.

  75. “The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland.”

    I may be misinformed on this point, but I thought the prisoners would be from Yolo and Solano counties. As such, I would expect the majority to come from larger Solano county cities, Vacaville, Fairfield and Vallejo, with a minority coming from Yolo County.

  76. “The majority of the people who will utilize this facility come from two cities–West Sacramento and Woodland.”

    I may be misinformed on this point, but I thought the prisoners would be from Yolo and Solano counties. As such, I would expect the majority to come from larger Solano county cities, Vacaville, Fairfield and Vallejo, with a minority coming from Yolo County.

  77. I think I’ve figured it out. Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process. Lacking anything substantive that can’t be fixed by drilling a well, or paving a road, the rallying cry of ‘PROCESS’ is what’s used to stall projects. Nope, you can’t do anything until every concern I have has been aired, vetted, mitigated, then personally reviewed and approved by me. And if you don’t, then you ‘aren’t listening’ and I will yell, shove, threaten a recall, introduce myself as an attorney, threaten to sue, and make time waste so I can run out the clock on funding or wear you down. This is what substitutes for decision making these days.
    The Supervisors were elected and they can’t let the mob rule, whether they are hick Espartards or rich ‘rural West Davisoids’, NIMBYISM is what it is, and is masked by concern trolling.

  78. I think I’ve figured it out. Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process. Lacking anything substantive that can’t be fixed by drilling a well, or paving a road, the rallying cry of ‘PROCESS’ is what’s used to stall projects. Nope, you can’t do anything until every concern I have has been aired, vetted, mitigated, then personally reviewed and approved by me. And if you don’t, then you ‘aren’t listening’ and I will yell, shove, threaten a recall, introduce myself as an attorney, threaten to sue, and make time waste so I can run out the clock on funding or wear you down. This is what substitutes for decision making these days.
    The Supervisors were elected and they can’t let the mob rule, whether they are hick Espartards or rich ‘rural West Davisoids’, NIMBYISM is what it is, and is masked by concern trolling.

  79. I think I’ve figured it out. Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process. Lacking anything substantive that can’t be fixed by drilling a well, or paving a road, the rallying cry of ‘PROCESS’ is what’s used to stall projects. Nope, you can’t do anything until every concern I have has been aired, vetted, mitigated, then personally reviewed and approved by me. And if you don’t, then you ‘aren’t listening’ and I will yell, shove, threaten a recall, introduce myself as an attorney, threaten to sue, and make time waste so I can run out the clock on funding or wear you down. This is what substitutes for decision making these days.
    The Supervisors were elected and they can’t let the mob rule, whether they are hick Espartards or rich ‘rural West Davisoids’, NIMBYISM is what it is, and is masked by concern trolling.

  80. I think I’ve figured it out. Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process. Lacking anything substantive that can’t be fixed by drilling a well, or paving a road, the rallying cry of ‘PROCESS’ is what’s used to stall projects. Nope, you can’t do anything until every concern I have has been aired, vetted, mitigated, then personally reviewed and approved by me. And if you don’t, then you ‘aren’t listening’ and I will yell, shove, threaten a recall, introduce myself as an attorney, threaten to sue, and make time waste so I can run out the clock on funding or wear you down. This is what substitutes for decision making these days.
    The Supervisors were elected and they can’t let the mob rule, whether they are hick Espartards or rich ‘rural West Davisoids’, NIMBYISM is what it is, and is masked by concern trolling.

  81. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    Have you ever seen this neighborhood?

    It’s rural, but the “farms” are tiny.

  82. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    Have you ever seen this neighborhood?

    It’s rural, but the “farms” are tiny.

  83. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    Have you ever seen this neighborhood?

    It’s rural, but the “farms” are tiny.

  84. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    Have you ever seen this neighborhood?

    It’s rural, but the “farms” are tiny.

  85. “Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process.”

    I think process is vital to an open and transparent democratic society and that without process, we would be a bunch of fascists. I hate to be blunt, but there is no fine line on it for me.

    If you’ve read most of my posts on this topic, I’ve been supportive of the project, but I am very concerned about process and I have expressed concerns about process on a wide variety of topics, some of which I agree with.

  86. “Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process.”

    I think process is vital to an open and transparent democratic society and that without process, we would be a bunch of fascists. I hate to be blunt, but there is no fine line on it for me.

    If you’ve read most of my posts on this topic, I’ve been supportive of the project, but I am very concerned about process and I have expressed concerns about process on a wide variety of topics, some of which I agree with.

  87. “Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process.”

    I think process is vital to an open and transparent democratic society and that without process, we would be a bunch of fascists. I hate to be blunt, but there is no fine line on it for me.

    If you’ve read most of my posts on this topic, I’ve been supportive of the project, but I am very concerned about process and I have expressed concerns about process on a wide variety of topics, some of which I agree with.

  88. “Opponents of pretty much everything love to attack process.”

    I think process is vital to an open and transparent democratic society and that without process, we would be a bunch of fascists. I hate to be blunt, but there is no fine line on it for me.

    If you’ve read most of my posts on this topic, I’ve been supportive of the project, but I am very concerned about process and I have expressed concerns about process on a wide variety of topics, some of which I agree with.

  89. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    there are a lot of retired folks out here that do not commute. there are also small businesses, the heart-and-soul of the american economy. you should come on out, I could use some help clearing brush with my ronald reagan chainsaw in my george bush carthart jacket.

  90. “The road system is not set up for a major urban use”

    Replace “major urban use” with just about any statement and you can attack the Achilles heel of almost all potential projects in the state of California.

    Our state’s road network has almost universally inadequate capacity or is falling apart. Any of the other potential sites, even right off of a major highway like 505 or 5, have structural or traffic flaws, however minor, that someone who opposes the project can expand on to torpedo the whole thing. If it has not happened yet then that just means that enough locals aren’t perturbed by the project, or they aren’t paying attention.

    I see the transportation/traffic argument come up for almost every project in the state, and I believe that we need to accept there are often no good solutions because the infrastructure is lousy (or just not built for our staggering statewide growth). Every project will cause a traffic impact so lets focus on the impacts that are unique to each alternative.

  91. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    there are a lot of retired folks out here that do not commute. there are also small businesses, the heart-and-soul of the american economy. you should come on out, I could use some help clearing brush with my ronald reagan chainsaw in my george bush carthart jacket.

  92. “The road system is not set up for a major urban use”

    Replace “major urban use” with just about any statement and you can attack the Achilles heel of almost all potential projects in the state of California.

    Our state’s road network has almost universally inadequate capacity or is falling apart. Any of the other potential sites, even right off of a major highway like 505 or 5, have structural or traffic flaws, however minor, that someone who opposes the project can expand on to torpedo the whole thing. If it has not happened yet then that just means that enough locals aren’t perturbed by the project, or they aren’t paying attention.

    I see the transportation/traffic argument come up for almost every project in the state, and I believe that we need to accept there are often no good solutions because the infrastructure is lousy (or just not built for our staggering statewide growth). Every project will cause a traffic impact so lets focus on the impacts that are unique to each alternative.

  93. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    there are a lot of retired folks out here that do not commute. there are also small businesses, the heart-and-soul of the american economy. you should come on out, I could use some help clearing brush with my ronald reagan chainsaw in my george bush carthart jacket.

  94. “The road system is not set up for a major urban use”

    Replace “major urban use” with just about any statement and you can attack the Achilles heel of almost all potential projects in the state of California.

    Our state’s road network has almost universally inadequate capacity or is falling apart. Any of the other potential sites, even right off of a major highway like 505 or 5, have structural or traffic flaws, however minor, that someone who opposes the project can expand on to torpedo the whole thing. If it has not happened yet then that just means that enough locals aren’t perturbed by the project, or they aren’t paying attention.

    I see the transportation/traffic argument come up for almost every project in the state, and I believe that we need to accept there are often no good solutions because the infrastructure is lousy (or just not built for our staggering statewide growth). Every project will cause a traffic impact so lets focus on the impacts that are unique to each alternative.

  95. “There shouldn’t be such a thing as a non-farming rural resident. THese commuters who move to the country and complain about this facility should just move.”

    there are a lot of retired folks out here that do not commute. there are also small businesses, the heart-and-soul of the american economy. you should come on out, I could use some help clearing brush with my ronald reagan chainsaw in my george bush carthart jacket.

  96. “The road system is not set up for a major urban use”

    Replace “major urban use” with just about any statement and you can attack the Achilles heel of almost all potential projects in the state of California.

    Our state’s road network has almost universally inadequate capacity or is falling apart. Any of the other potential sites, even right off of a major highway like 505 or 5, have structural or traffic flaws, however minor, that someone who opposes the project can expand on to torpedo the whole thing. If it has not happened yet then that just means that enough locals aren’t perturbed by the project, or they aren’t paying attention.

    I see the transportation/traffic argument come up for almost every project in the state, and I believe that we need to accept there are often no good solutions because the infrastructure is lousy (or just not built for our staggering statewide growth). Every project will cause a traffic impact so lets focus on the impacts that are unique to each alternative.

  97. Noted Berryessa-Wilcox. However, the road structure is far better with access to I-505 than it is on County Road 95. As I said before, if there is something that will result in this not being approved, it is that.

  98. Noted Berryessa-Wilcox. However, the road structure is far better with access to I-505 than it is on County Road 95. As I said before, if there is something that will result in this not being approved, it is that.

  99. Noted Berryessa-Wilcox. However, the road structure is far better with access to I-505 than it is on County Road 95. As I said before, if there is something that will result in this not being approved, it is that.

  100. Noted Berryessa-Wilcox. However, the road structure is far better with access to I-505 than it is on County Road 95. As I said before, if there is something that will result in this not being approved, it is that.

  101. It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute instititue re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

  102. It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute instititue re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

  103. It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute instititue re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

  104. It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute instititue re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

  105. I believe the most ready access to the proposed site from Highway 113 is the Road 29 off-ramp.There are on/off-ramps for both north and southbound traffic. From there it is a straight shot west to the northern edge of the airport. There is no need to go through Davis unless that is your starting point.

    Mention is made without attribution of heavy traffic flow and fatalities on access routes. How about some data from opponents in support of these claims? State and County statistics are calculated for traffic flow on all primary roads. Auto-related fatalities are carefully recorded as well. I travel that route several times a week and can’t recall ever seeing even a single slow-moving farm vehicle on this route.

  106. I believe the most ready access to the proposed site from Highway 113 is the Road 29 off-ramp.There are on/off-ramps for both north and southbound traffic. From there it is a straight shot west to the northern edge of the airport. There is no need to go through Davis unless that is your starting point.

    Mention is made without attribution of heavy traffic flow and fatalities on access routes. How about some data from opponents in support of these claims? State and County statistics are calculated for traffic flow on all primary roads. Auto-related fatalities are carefully recorded as well. I travel that route several times a week and can’t recall ever seeing even a single slow-moving farm vehicle on this route.

  107. I believe the most ready access to the proposed site from Highway 113 is the Road 29 off-ramp.There are on/off-ramps for both north and southbound traffic. From there it is a straight shot west to the northern edge of the airport. There is no need to go through Davis unless that is your starting point.

    Mention is made without attribution of heavy traffic flow and fatalities on access routes. How about some data from opponents in support of these claims? State and County statistics are calculated for traffic flow on all primary roads. Auto-related fatalities are carefully recorded as well. I travel that route several times a week and can’t recall ever seeing even a single slow-moving farm vehicle on this route.

  108. I believe the most ready access to the proposed site from Highway 113 is the Road 29 off-ramp.There are on/off-ramps for both north and southbound traffic. From there it is a straight shot west to the northern edge of the airport. There is no need to go through Davis unless that is your starting point.

    Mention is made without attribution of heavy traffic flow and fatalities on access routes. How about some data from opponents in support of these claims? State and County statistics are calculated for traffic flow on all primary roads. Auto-related fatalities are carefully recorded as well. I travel that route several times a week and can’t recall ever seeing even a single slow-moving farm vehicle on this route.

  109. Two points
    1. FLOODING – When the site in Madison floods, it's under 4 FEET of water. I 505 closed 12/31/05 because of flooding in that area. When the site offered in Esparto floods, it's only under 1 – 3 FEET of water. CAL TRANS took aerial photos on 12/31/05, the poster showing the Esparto/Madison flooding problems will be at the BOS meeting Tuesday, Sept. 9 at 9:00
    2. CURRENT PAROLEES – There are 579 current parolees in Yolo County. Seven are from the Esparto/Capay Valley area. The majority of the other 572 parolees are from Davis, Woodland & West Sacramento. To reduce the carbon footprint of families traveling to the reentry prison to visit their family/friend in prison the prison should be located equidistant from our three major cities. County Rd. 102 south of the aero-modelers field is county land, was it considered? Please remember prison staff would move to the area from all over CA, recruited to work in each county reentry prison. Housing for 367 prison staff needs to be considered and how far they should be expected to travel. We all should be conscious of carbon emissions associated with travel to/from our work places. Me, I take the bus from Esparto to Davis. It's an environmental choice I gladly make.
    Melissa Jordan
    Esparto

  110. Two points
    1. FLOODING – When the site in Madison floods, it's under 4 FEET of water. I 505 closed 12/31/05 because of flooding in that area. When the site offered in Esparto floods, it's only under 1 – 3 FEET of water. CAL TRANS took aerial photos on 12/31/05, the poster showing the Esparto/Madison flooding problems will be at the BOS meeting Tuesday, Sept. 9 at 9:00
    2. CURRENT PAROLEES – There are 579 current parolees in Yolo County. Seven are from the Esparto/Capay Valley area. The majority of the other 572 parolees are from Davis, Woodland & West Sacramento. To reduce the carbon footprint of families traveling to the reentry prison to visit their family/friend in prison the prison should be located equidistant from our three major cities. County Rd. 102 south of the aero-modelers field is county land, was it considered? Please remember prison staff would move to the area from all over CA, recruited to work in each county reentry prison. Housing for 367 prison staff needs to be considered and how far they should be expected to travel. We all should be conscious of carbon emissions associated with travel to/from our work places. Me, I take the bus from Esparto to Davis. It's an environmental choice I gladly make.
    Melissa Jordan
    Esparto

  111. Two points
    1. FLOODING – When the site in Madison floods, it's under 4 FEET of water. I 505 closed 12/31/05 because of flooding in that area. When the site offered in Esparto floods, it's only under 1 – 3 FEET of water. CAL TRANS took aerial photos on 12/31/05, the poster showing the Esparto/Madison flooding problems will be at the BOS meeting Tuesday, Sept. 9 at 9:00
    2. CURRENT PAROLEES – There are 579 current parolees in Yolo County. Seven are from the Esparto/Capay Valley area. The majority of the other 572 parolees are from Davis, Woodland & West Sacramento. To reduce the carbon footprint of families traveling to the reentry prison to visit their family/friend in prison the prison should be located equidistant from our three major cities. County Rd. 102 south of the aero-modelers field is county land, was it considered? Please remember prison staff would move to the area from all over CA, recruited to work in each county reentry prison. Housing for 367 prison staff needs to be considered and how far they should be expected to travel. We all should be conscious of carbon emissions associated with travel to/from our work places. Me, I take the bus from Esparto to Davis. It's an environmental choice I gladly make.
    Melissa Jordan
    Esparto

  112. Two points
    1. FLOODING – When the site in Madison floods, it's under 4 FEET of water. I 505 closed 12/31/05 because of flooding in that area. When the site offered in Esparto floods, it's only under 1 – 3 FEET of water. CAL TRANS took aerial photos on 12/31/05, the poster showing the Esparto/Madison flooding problems will be at the BOS meeting Tuesday, Sept. 9 at 9:00
    2. CURRENT PAROLEES – There are 579 current parolees in Yolo County. Seven are from the Esparto/Capay Valley area. The majority of the other 572 parolees are from Davis, Woodland & West Sacramento. To reduce the carbon footprint of families traveling to the reentry prison to visit their family/friend in prison the prison should be located equidistant from our three major cities. County Rd. 102 south of the aero-modelers field is county land, was it considered? Please remember prison staff would move to the area from all over CA, recruited to work in each county reentry prison. Housing for 367 prison staff needs to be considered and how far they should be expected to travel. We all should be conscious of carbon emissions associated with travel to/from our work places. Me, I take the bus from Esparto to Davis. It's an environmental choice I gladly make.
    Melissa Jordan
    Esparto

  113. Melissa takes the bus from Esparto to Davis. So her environmental choice is to travel a great distance between work and home. Yes, it’s the bus, but it’s still more carbon emissions than biking to work in Davis by living in Davis.
    Carbon footprint is the new ‘traffic’ straw man for people trying to stop projects.

  114. Melissa takes the bus from Esparto to Davis. So her environmental choice is to travel a great distance between work and home. Yes, it’s the bus, but it’s still more carbon emissions than biking to work in Davis by living in Davis.
    Carbon footprint is the new ‘traffic’ straw man for people trying to stop projects.

  115. Melissa takes the bus from Esparto to Davis. So her environmental choice is to travel a great distance between work and home. Yes, it’s the bus, but it’s still more carbon emissions than biking to work in Davis by living in Davis.
    Carbon footprint is the new ‘traffic’ straw man for people trying to stop projects.

  116. Melissa takes the bus from Esparto to Davis. So her environmental choice is to travel a great distance between work and home. Yes, it’s the bus, but it’s still more carbon emissions than biking to work in Davis by living in Davis.
    Carbon footprint is the new ‘traffic’ straw man for people trying to stop projects.

  117. DPD said “What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.”

    From the Enterprise today:

    ” ‘Parolees are already being released back to Yolo County,’ said Cynthia Florez-DeLyon, a parole administrator for the CDCR’s office of re-entry facilities. ‘The plan for this re-entry facility is to make sure that they’re better prepared.’

    Inmates who are ‘mentally fragile’ or who have behaved violently in prison will not be considered for the facility, Florez-DeLyon said.”

    So, which is true, DPD?

  118. DPD said “What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.”

    From the Enterprise today:

    ” ‘Parolees are already being released back to Yolo County,’ said Cynthia Florez-DeLyon, a parole administrator for the CDCR’s office of re-entry facilities. ‘The plan for this re-entry facility is to make sure that they’re better prepared.’

    Inmates who are ‘mentally fragile’ or who have behaved violently in prison will not be considered for the facility, Florez-DeLyon said.”

    So, which is true, DPD?

  119. DPD said “What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.”

    From the Enterprise today:

    ” ‘Parolees are already being released back to Yolo County,’ said Cynthia Florez-DeLyon, a parole administrator for the CDCR’s office of re-entry facilities. ‘The plan for this re-entry facility is to make sure that they’re better prepared.’

    Inmates who are ‘mentally fragile’ or who have behaved violently in prison will not be considered for the facility, Florez-DeLyon said.”

    So, which is true, DPD?

  120. DPD said “What we were told last night by CDCR is that it could very well be people who have committed violent crimes and they could in fact be among the worst of the worst. That is directly from the CDCR staffer. You might want to inform yourself a bit better on this issue if you are going to lecture to others.”

    From the Enterprise today:

    ” ‘Parolees are already being released back to Yolo County,’ said Cynthia Florez-DeLyon, a parole administrator for the CDCR’s office of re-entry facilities. ‘The plan for this re-entry facility is to make sure that they’re better prepared.’

    Inmates who are ‘mentally fragile’ or who have behaved violently in prison will not be considered for the facility, Florez-DeLyon said.”

    So, which is true, DPD?

  121. I don’t see any conflict between the quote in the Enterprise and what I said. I was speaking of the range of crimes that resulted in incarceration. The Enterprise quote speaks to both the “mental state” of the inmate and their behavior while in prison.

  122. Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing?

  123. I don’t see any conflict between the quote in the Enterprise and what I said. I was speaking of the range of crimes that resulted in incarceration. The Enterprise quote speaks to both the “mental state” of the inmate and their behavior while in prison.

  124. Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing?

  125. I don’t see any conflict between the quote in the Enterprise and what I said. I was speaking of the range of crimes that resulted in incarceration. The Enterprise quote speaks to both the “mental state” of the inmate and their behavior while in prison.

  126. Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing?

  127. I don’t see any conflict between the quote in the Enterprise and what I said. I was speaking of the range of crimes that resulted in incarceration. The Enterprise quote speaks to both the “mental state” of the inmate and their behavior while in prison.

  128. Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing?

  129. BTW, again, I agree with the program. The current correctional situation does not work. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.

  130. BTW, again, I agree with the program. The current correctional situation does not work. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.

  131. BTW, again, I agree with the program. The current correctional situation does not work. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.

  132. BTW, again, I agree with the program. The current correctional situation does not work. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.

  133. “Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing? “

    One of the citizens informed me the power went out last night. To me, that is unacceptable. I consider fixing the electrical situation for existing growth inducing.

  134. “Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing? “

    One of the citizens informed me the power went out last night. To me, that is unacceptable. I consider fixing the electrical situation for existing growth inducing.

  135. “Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing? “

    One of the citizens informed me the power went out last night. To me, that is unacceptable. I consider fixing the electrical situation for existing growth inducing.

  136. “Regardless of whether or not the facility is built, should we fix the lack of dependable utilities for that area of the county? The residents were reported by you as saying that they lose electricity for extended periods of time up to 5 times per year. Would fixing this be considered growth inducing? “

    One of the citizens informed me the power went out last night. To me, that is unacceptable. I consider fixing the electrical situation for existing growth inducing.

  137. Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

  138. Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

  139. Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

  140. Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

  141. FEAR,FEAR and more FEAR,What is wrong with you Yoloans?
    Why don’t you just hear people out and then make a decision?
    No,I don’t like things RailRoaded down my throat either.Let’s just expose the conflicts of interest and file suits against those that are trying to profit from this action and use the county to do it.They already have 2 strikes against them already and if they are willing to stick their heads out there again,I say we owe it to them to let the guillitine fly!!

  142. FEAR,FEAR and more FEAR,What is wrong with you Yoloans?
    Why don’t you just hear people out and then make a decision?
    No,I don’t like things RailRoaded down my throat either.Let’s just expose the conflicts of interest and file suits against those that are trying to profit from this action and use the county to do it.They already have 2 strikes against them already and if they are willing to stick their heads out there again,I say we owe it to them to let the guillitine fly!!

  143. FEAR,FEAR and more FEAR,What is wrong with you Yoloans?
    Why don’t you just hear people out and then make a decision?
    No,I don’t like things RailRoaded down my throat either.Let’s just expose the conflicts of interest and file suits against those that are trying to profit from this action and use the county to do it.They already have 2 strikes against them already and if they are willing to stick their heads out there again,I say we owe it to them to let the guillitine fly!!

  144. FEAR,FEAR and more FEAR,What is wrong with you Yoloans?
    Why don’t you just hear people out and then make a decision?
    No,I don’t like things RailRoaded down my throat either.Let’s just expose the conflicts of interest and file suits against those that are trying to profit from this action and use the county to do it.They already have 2 strikes against them already and if they are willing to stick their heads out there again,I say we owe it to them to let the guillitine fly!!

  145. Sorry, meant to say “I don’t consider”…

    {If there is one thing I would love blogger to invent it would be an edit feature for comments}

    Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

    I suppose that would depend on your perspective. The point I was trying to convey is that you would have inmates at this facility who were convicted of committing violent crimes. Many of these inmates are released into the population and commit further crimes.

    As the person put it yesterday, this is a minimum security facility that houses people from all sorts of prisons who committed all sorts of crimes. I think that needs to be understood by those in this community and those making the decisions.

  146. Sorry, meant to say “I don’t consider”…

    {If there is one thing I would love blogger to invent it would be an edit feature for comments}

    Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

    I suppose that would depend on your perspective. The point I was trying to convey is that you would have inmates at this facility who were convicted of committing violent crimes. Many of these inmates are released into the population and commit further crimes.

    As the person put it yesterday, this is a minimum security facility that houses people from all sorts of prisons who committed all sorts of crimes. I think that needs to be understood by those in this community and those making the decisions.

  147. Sorry, meant to say “I don’t consider”…

    {If there is one thing I would love blogger to invent it would be an edit feature for comments}

    Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

    I suppose that would depend on your perspective. The point I was trying to convey is that you would have inmates at this facility who were convicted of committing violent crimes. Many of these inmates are released into the population and commit further crimes.

    As the person put it yesterday, this is a minimum security facility that houses people from all sorts of prisons who committed all sorts of crimes. I think that needs to be understood by those in this community and those making the decisions.

  148. Sorry, meant to say “I don’t consider”…

    {If there is one thing I would love blogger to invent it would be an edit feature for comments}

    Wouldn’t the very fact that they would be considered candidates for this facility (mentally strong and non-violent while in prison) and being released on parole indicate that they are not the “worst of the worst”?

    I suppose that would depend on your perspective. The point I was trying to convey is that you would have inmates at this facility who were convicted of committing violent crimes. Many of these inmates are released into the population and commit further crimes.

    As the person put it yesterday, this is a minimum security facility that houses people from all sorts of prisons who committed all sorts of crimes. I think that needs to be understood by those in this community and those making the decisions.

  149. Traffic is NOT an issue. Let’s think this through.

    Let’s say the prison has 500 inmates and they receive an optimistic 10 visits a month. Let’s also say 100 employees at 4 trips per day (arrival, lunch, lunch, departure). This comes out to a total of 22,000 trips per month.

    For the sake of argument, let’s take the 1500 units that access Lake Blvd. Let’s assign them the same 4 trips a day, and that’s being very conservative. That’s 180,000 trips per month.

    So we’re expected to believe that two-lane Lake Blvd can handle 180,000 cars per month and a two-lane county road can’t? And it’s not as if Lake Blvd is a busy road. And contrary to DPD’s opinion, a prison is not a high traffic kind of use.

    No matter how you slice it, no matter how much traffic the prison would add to the existing county road, traffic is a non-issue.

  150. Traffic is NOT an issue. Let’s think this through.

    Let’s say the prison has 500 inmates and they receive an optimistic 10 visits a month. Let’s also say 100 employees at 4 trips per day (arrival, lunch, lunch, departure). This comes out to a total of 22,000 trips per month.

    For the sake of argument, let’s take the 1500 units that access Lake Blvd. Let’s assign them the same 4 trips a day, and that’s being very conservative. That’s 180,000 trips per month.

    So we’re expected to believe that two-lane Lake Blvd can handle 180,000 cars per month and a two-lane county road can’t? And it’s not as if Lake Blvd is a busy road. And contrary to DPD’s opinion, a prison is not a high traffic kind of use.

    No matter how you slice it, no matter how much traffic the prison would add to the existing county road, traffic is a non-issue.

  151. Traffic is NOT an issue. Let’s think this through.

    Let’s say the prison has 500 inmates and they receive an optimistic 10 visits a month. Let’s also say 100 employees at 4 trips per day (arrival, lunch, lunch, departure). This comes out to a total of 22,000 trips per month.

    For the sake of argument, let’s take the 1500 units that access Lake Blvd. Let’s assign them the same 4 trips a day, and that’s being very conservative. That’s 180,000 trips per month.

    So we’re expected to believe that two-lane Lake Blvd can handle 180,000 cars per month and a two-lane county road can’t? And it’s not as if Lake Blvd is a busy road. And contrary to DPD’s opinion, a prison is not a high traffic kind of use.

    No matter how you slice it, no matter how much traffic the prison would add to the existing county road, traffic is a non-issue.

  152. Traffic is NOT an issue. Let’s think this through.

    Let’s say the prison has 500 inmates and they receive an optimistic 10 visits a month. Let’s also say 100 employees at 4 trips per day (arrival, lunch, lunch, departure). This comes out to a total of 22,000 trips per month.

    For the sake of argument, let’s take the 1500 units that access Lake Blvd. Let’s assign them the same 4 trips a day, and that’s being very conservative. That’s 180,000 trips per month.

    So we’re expected to believe that two-lane Lake Blvd can handle 180,000 cars per month and a two-lane county road can’t? And it’s not as if Lake Blvd is a busy road. And contrary to DPD’s opinion, a prison is not a high traffic kind of use.

    No matter how you slice it, no matter how much traffic the prison would add to the existing county road, traffic is a non-issue.

  153. I agree.

    What we also need to be aware of is that these prisoners are due to be released directly back into the community very soon. It doesn’t make sense to have them go from extremely secure to nothing except a visit from their parole officer once a month. They just don’t have much of a chance to suceed and the community as a whole suffers.

  154. I agree.

    What we also need to be aware of is that these prisoners are due to be released directly back into the community very soon. It doesn’t make sense to have them go from extremely secure to nothing except a visit from their parole officer once a month. They just don’t have much of a chance to suceed and the community as a whole suffers.

  155. I agree.

    What we also need to be aware of is that these prisoners are due to be released directly back into the community very soon. It doesn’t make sense to have them go from extremely secure to nothing except a visit from their parole officer once a month. They just don’t have much of a chance to suceed and the community as a whole suffers.

  156. I agree.

    What we also need to be aware of is that these prisoners are due to be released directly back into the community very soon. It doesn’t make sense to have them go from extremely secure to nothing except a visit from their parole officer once a month. They just don’t have much of a chance to suceed and the community as a whole suffers.

  157. DPD: David, I don’t understand your reasoning that our existing method of electing County Supervisors by district rather than at large somehow provides less protection for citizens or better decisions than would occur if we had “at large” elections for county supervisors.

    This facility under consideration is in Duane Chamberlain’s district, and is very close to Helen Thompson’s and Mariko Yamada’s district. That makes three. Clearly, the majority of supervisors are willing to put the facility in our near their own districts.

    Yet the area around West Sac, with only one Supervisor and home of many prisoners, is not being considered.

    How would at large districts change this outcome, and why?

  158. DPD: David, I don’t understand your reasoning that our existing method of electing County Supervisors by district rather than at large somehow provides less protection for citizens or better decisions than would occur if we had “at large” elections for county supervisors.

    This facility under consideration is in Duane Chamberlain’s district, and is very close to Helen Thompson’s and Mariko Yamada’s district. That makes three. Clearly, the majority of supervisors are willing to put the facility in our near their own districts.

    Yet the area around West Sac, with only one Supervisor and home of many prisoners, is not being considered.

    How would at large districts change this outcome, and why?

  159. DPD: David, I don’t understand your reasoning that our existing method of electing County Supervisors by district rather than at large somehow provides less protection for citizens or better decisions than would occur if we had “at large” elections for county supervisors.

    This facility under consideration is in Duane Chamberlain’s district, and is very close to Helen Thompson’s and Mariko Yamada’s district. That makes three. Clearly, the majority of supervisors are willing to put the facility in our near their own districts.

    Yet the area around West Sac, with only one Supervisor and home of many prisoners, is not being considered.

    How would at large districts change this outcome, and why?

  160. DPD: David, I don’t understand your reasoning that our existing method of electing County Supervisors by district rather than at large somehow provides less protection for citizens or better decisions than would occur if we had “at large” elections for county supervisors.

    This facility under consideration is in Duane Chamberlain’s district, and is very close to Helen Thompson’s and Mariko Yamada’s district. That makes three. Clearly, the majority of supervisors are willing to put the facility in our near their own districts.

    Yet the area around West Sac, with only one Supervisor and home of many prisoners, is not being considered.

    How would at large districts change this outcome, and why?

  161. Sue: I wasn’t really making that point. Obviously under at-large elections rural areas would have even less protection as few of the supervisors would come from rural areas.

    My point was the relative advantage that cities have in this process over rural areas.

  162. Sue: I wasn’t really making that point. Obviously under at-large elections rural areas would have even less protection as few of the supervisors would come from rural areas.

    My point was the relative advantage that cities have in this process over rural areas.

  163. Sue: I wasn’t really making that point. Obviously under at-large elections rural areas would have even less protection as few of the supervisors would come from rural areas.

    My point was the relative advantage that cities have in this process over rural areas.

  164. Sue: I wasn’t really making that point. Obviously under at-large elections rural areas would have even less protection as few of the supervisors would come from rural areas.

    My point was the relative advantage that cities have in this process over rural areas.

  165. I still don’t understand. A small minority of Yolo residents live in unincorporated areas, so I don’t see how they would have more power under an at-large system.

  166. I still don’t understand. A small minority of Yolo residents live in unincorporated areas, so I don’t see how they would have more power under an at-large system.

  167. I still don’t understand. A small minority of Yolo residents live in unincorporated areas, so I don’t see how they would have more power under an at-large system.

  168. I still don’t understand. A small minority of Yolo residents live in unincorporated areas, so I don’t see how they would have more power under an at-large system.

  169. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.”

    I don’t know if having a “re-entry facility” will reduce the recidivism rate. (I imagine this issue has been formally studied.) However, even if it reduces it a little, we will still have terribly high recidivism for other reasons.

    Without elaborating, I think there are about 10 important factors which affect recidivism:

    1. Incorrigible criminals — some people, so messed up in the head, can never live an honest lifestyle.
    2. Drug/alcohol addiction — although some addicts can never be helped, to the extent we can (even if it means encouraging them to adopt fundamentalist religion*) we should help prisoners get off drugs/alcohol.
    3. Lack of job skills — For those who have few other serious problems, a trade school education would go a long way.
    4. Illiteracy/poor education — those who get out and cannot even read will almost surely go back to a life of crime.
    5. Gang/bad character affiliation — not much society can do about it, but those who go home and hang out with bad characters are apt to get in trouble again.
    6. Institutionalizationism — that is, those who go to juvenile jails, then graduate adult jails and prisons and become more accustomed to living in this atmosphere than living freely are probably more likely to go back “home” to prison.
    7. Post-release counseling/parole — I cannot imagine it hurts to have professionals helping ex-cons once they are on the outside to stay straight.
    8. Psychological healthcare while incarcerated — same basic idea as 7, but obviously no guarantee.
    9. Relative youth — If someone is released at age 80, I would guess he’s less likely to go back to a life as a burglar.
    10. Gender — I suspect females are less likely to be stupid upon release.

  170. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.”

    I don’t know if having a “re-entry facility” will reduce the recidivism rate. (I imagine this issue has been formally studied.) However, even if it reduces it a little, we will still have terribly high recidivism for other reasons.

    Without elaborating, I think there are about 10 important factors which affect recidivism:

    1. Incorrigible criminals — some people, so messed up in the head, can never live an honest lifestyle.
    2. Drug/alcohol addiction — although some addicts can never be helped, to the extent we can (even if it means encouraging them to adopt fundamentalist religion*) we should help prisoners get off drugs/alcohol.
    3. Lack of job skills — For those who have few other serious problems, a trade school education would go a long way.
    4. Illiteracy/poor education — those who get out and cannot even read will almost surely go back to a life of crime.
    5. Gang/bad character affiliation — not much society can do about it, but those who go home and hang out with bad characters are apt to get in trouble again.
    6. Institutionalizationism — that is, those who go to juvenile jails, then graduate adult jails and prisons and become more accustomed to living in this atmosphere than living freely are probably more likely to go back “home” to prison.
    7. Post-release counseling/parole — I cannot imagine it hurts to have professionals helping ex-cons once they are on the outside to stay straight.
    8. Psychological healthcare while incarcerated — same basic idea as 7, but obviously no guarantee.
    9. Relative youth — If someone is released at age 80, I would guess he’s less likely to go back to a life as a burglar.
    10. Gender — I suspect females are less likely to be stupid upon release.

  171. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.”

    I don’t know if having a “re-entry facility” will reduce the recidivism rate. (I imagine this issue has been formally studied.) However, even if it reduces it a little, we will still have terribly high recidivism for other reasons.

    Without elaborating, I think there are about 10 important factors which affect recidivism:

    1. Incorrigible criminals — some people, so messed up in the head, can never live an honest lifestyle.
    2. Drug/alcohol addiction — although some addicts can never be helped, to the extent we can (even if it means encouraging them to adopt fundamentalist religion*) we should help prisoners get off drugs/alcohol.
    3. Lack of job skills — For those who have few other serious problems, a trade school education would go a long way.
    4. Illiteracy/poor education — those who get out and cannot even read will almost surely go back to a life of crime.
    5. Gang/bad character affiliation — not much society can do about it, but those who go home and hang out with bad characters are apt to get in trouble again.
    6. Institutionalizationism — that is, those who go to juvenile jails, then graduate adult jails and prisons and become more accustomed to living in this atmosphere than living freely are probably more likely to go back “home” to prison.
    7. Post-release counseling/parole — I cannot imagine it hurts to have professionals helping ex-cons once they are on the outside to stay straight.
    8. Psychological healthcare while incarcerated — same basic idea as 7, but obviously no guarantee.
    9. Relative youth — If someone is released at age 80, I would guess he’s less likely to go back to a life as a burglar.
    10. Gender — I suspect females are less likely to be stupid upon release.

  172. The recidivism rate is too high and we largely set up parolees to fail.”

    I don’t know if having a “re-entry facility” will reduce the recidivism rate. (I imagine this issue has been formally studied.) However, even if it reduces it a little, we will still have terribly high recidivism for other reasons.

    Without elaborating, I think there are about 10 important factors which affect recidivism:

    1. Incorrigible criminals — some people, so messed up in the head, can never live an honest lifestyle.
    2. Drug/alcohol addiction — although some addicts can never be helped, to the extent we can (even if it means encouraging them to adopt fundamentalist religion*) we should help prisoners get off drugs/alcohol.
    3. Lack of job skills — For those who have few other serious problems, a trade school education would go a long way.
    4. Illiteracy/poor education — those who get out and cannot even read will almost surely go back to a life of crime.
    5. Gang/bad character affiliation — not much society can do about it, but those who go home and hang out with bad characters are apt to get in trouble again.
    6. Institutionalizationism — that is, those who go to juvenile jails, then graduate adult jails and prisons and become more accustomed to living in this atmosphere than living freely are probably more likely to go back “home” to prison.
    7. Post-release counseling/parole — I cannot imagine it hurts to have professionals helping ex-cons once they are on the outside to stay straight.
    8. Psychological healthcare while incarcerated — same basic idea as 7, but obviously no guarantee.
    9. Relative youth — If someone is released at age 80, I would guess he’s less likely to go back to a life as a burglar.
    10. Gender — I suspect females are less likely to be stupid upon release.

  173. Sue: Again, I’m not claiming they do. My point of comparison was the advantage cities have in terms of being able to veto locations versus rural areas who do not have that luxury.

  174. Sue: Again, I’m not claiming they do. My point of comparison was the advantage cities have in terms of being able to veto locations versus rural areas who do not have that luxury.

  175. Sue: Again, I’m not claiming they do. My point of comparison was the advantage cities have in terms of being able to veto locations versus rural areas who do not have that luxury.

  176. Sue: Again, I’m not claiming they do. My point of comparison was the advantage cities have in terms of being able to veto locations versus rural areas who do not have that luxury.

  177. * It is my understanding that religious-run drug/alcohol counseling is more effective than non-religious programs. However, I don’t know if the 12-step programs (like AA, which is quasi-religious) is counted among the “religious.”

  178. * It is my understanding that religious-run drug/alcohol counseling is more effective than non-religious programs. However, I don’t know if the 12-step programs (like AA, which is quasi-religious) is counted among the “religious.”

  179. * It is my understanding that religious-run drug/alcohol counseling is more effective than non-religious programs. However, I don’t know if the 12-step programs (like AA, which is quasi-religious) is counted among the “religious.”

  180. * It is my understanding that religious-run drug/alcohol counseling is more effective than non-religious programs. However, I don’t know if the 12-step programs (like AA, which is quasi-religious) is counted among the “religious.”

  181. Rich: I suspect recidivism will remain high with or without this system. I see this as a first step–a program to give inmate and eventual parolees some job and life skills, to help them begin to reconnect with family and society. I see this as an important first step, but I do agree this alone is not going to reverse the trend.

    I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits. If I’m going to spend money on the corrections system it is on rehabilitation. I don’t expect that to happen any time soon for one thing due to costs, but it is reassuring to see Republicans like Rexroad enthusiastically embrace the concept of rehabilitation programs.

  182. Rich: I suspect recidivism will remain high with or without this system. I see this as a first step–a program to give inmate and eventual parolees some job and life skills, to help them begin to reconnect with family and society. I see this as an important first step, but I do agree this alone is not going to reverse the trend.

    I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits. If I’m going to spend money on the corrections system it is on rehabilitation. I don’t expect that to happen any time soon for one thing due to costs, but it is reassuring to see Republicans like Rexroad enthusiastically embrace the concept of rehabilitation programs.

  183. Rich: I suspect recidivism will remain high with or without this system. I see this as a first step–a program to give inmate and eventual parolees some job and life skills, to help them begin to reconnect with family and society. I see this as an important first step, but I do agree this alone is not going to reverse the trend.

    I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits. If I’m going to spend money on the corrections system it is on rehabilitation. I don’t expect that to happen any time soon for one thing due to costs, but it is reassuring to see Republicans like Rexroad enthusiastically embrace the concept of rehabilitation programs.

  184. Rich: I suspect recidivism will remain high with or without this system. I see this as a first step–a program to give inmate and eventual parolees some job and life skills, to help them begin to reconnect with family and society. I see this as an important first step, but I do agree this alone is not going to reverse the trend.

    I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits. If I’m going to spend money on the corrections system it is on rehabilitation. I don’t expect that to happen any time soon for one thing due to costs, but it is reassuring to see Republicans like Rexroad enthusiastically embrace the concept of rehabilitation programs.

  185. Sue:

    We’re talking past each other here.

    My statement:

    “The problem with this arrangement is that in the case of a city, all five members of the council represent the city as a whole. Whereas in the county, there is only one representative that represents that particular area.”

    meant that the five members of the Davis city council represent Davis and Davis’ interests. That is a big advantage when it comes to issues of this sort because even people as different as yourself and Don Saylor agree on what entity ought to determine landuse policies in and around Davis.

    Rural residents do not have that protection.

    I am once again not making an electoral argument but rather an interest-based argument.

    For example, even if we had district elections in Davis, I don’t think it would change that basic dynamic. And I don’t think changing the board of supervisors to at-large would change the dynamic either.

    My point is that Plainfield has one person to represent their interests (and he’s conflicted out), Davis has five people in the city council representing theirs. If Plainfield were a city, they would have the whole city council representing their interests.

  186. Sue:

    We’re talking past each other here.

    My statement:

    “The problem with this arrangement is that in the case of a city, all five members of the council represent the city as a whole. Whereas in the county, there is only one representative that represents that particular area.”

    meant that the five members of the Davis city council represent Davis and Davis’ interests. That is a big advantage when it comes to issues of this sort because even people as different as yourself and Don Saylor agree on what entity ought to determine landuse policies in and around Davis.

    Rural residents do not have that protection.

    I am once again not making an electoral argument but rather an interest-based argument.

    For example, even if we had district elections in Davis, I don’t think it would change that basic dynamic. And I don’t think changing the board of supervisors to at-large would change the dynamic either.

    My point is that Plainfield has one person to represent their interests (and he’s conflicted out), Davis has five people in the city council representing theirs. If Plainfield were a city, they would have the whole city council representing their interests.

  187. Sue:

    We’re talking past each other here.

    My statement:

    “The problem with this arrangement is that in the case of a city, all five members of the council represent the city as a whole. Whereas in the county, there is only one representative that represents that particular area.”

    meant that the five members of the Davis city council represent Davis and Davis’ interests. That is a big advantage when it comes to issues of this sort because even people as different as yourself and Don Saylor agree on what entity ought to determine landuse policies in and around Davis.

    Rural residents do not have that protection.

    I am once again not making an electoral argument but rather an interest-based argument.

    For example, even if we had district elections in Davis, I don’t think it would change that basic dynamic. And I don’t think changing the board of supervisors to at-large would change the dynamic either.

    My point is that Plainfield has one person to represent their interests (and he’s conflicted out), Davis has five people in the city council representing theirs. If Plainfield were a city, they would have the whole city council representing their interests.

  188. Sue:

    We’re talking past each other here.

    My statement:

    “The problem with this arrangement is that in the case of a city, all five members of the council represent the city as a whole. Whereas in the county, there is only one representative that represents that particular area.”

    meant that the five members of the Davis city council represent Davis and Davis’ interests. That is a big advantage when it comes to issues of this sort because even people as different as yourself and Don Saylor agree on what entity ought to determine landuse policies in and around Davis.

    Rural residents do not have that protection.

    I am once again not making an electoral argument but rather an interest-based argument.

    For example, even if we had district elections in Davis, I don’t think it would change that basic dynamic. And I don’t think changing the board of supervisors to at-large would change the dynamic either.

    My point is that Plainfield has one person to represent their interests (and he’s conflicted out), Davis has five people in the city council representing theirs. If Plainfield were a city, they would have the whole city council representing their interests.

  189. Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.

    Second, this is the staff report and staff recommendations.

    Third, all I see is that they are placing the three sites that have been designated as possible locations which is required by law. As far as I know there is much more that must occur before they can choose a final site.

    Here’s the staff recommendation:

    “RECOMMENDED ACTION:

    A. Reaffirm the county’s support for the siting of a reentry facility in Yolo County;

    B. Approve the list of potential sites for a state reentry facility in Yolo County;

    a) County Road 90 and State Route 16 (east of Madison)

    b) County Road 86a and State Route 16 (southeast of Esparto)

    c) Yolo County Airport

    C. Authorize the signing of the Reentry Program Facility Siting Agreement between the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) and the county for potential reentry facility sites and to comply with Assembly Bill (AB 900);

    D. Authorize the signing of Options to Purchase real estate agreements for County Road 90 at State Route 16 (KATHYANNA RANCH, LLC) and County Road 86a at State Route 16 (JOHN DETERDING CO.) for potential sites for a reentry facility.”

  190. Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.

    Second, this is the staff report and staff recommendations.

    Third, all I see is that they are placing the three sites that have been designated as possible locations which is required by law. As far as I know there is much more that must occur before they can choose a final site.

    Here’s the staff recommendation:

    “RECOMMENDED ACTION:

    A. Reaffirm the county’s support for the siting of a reentry facility in Yolo County;

    B. Approve the list of potential sites for a state reentry facility in Yolo County;

    a) County Road 90 and State Route 16 (east of Madison)

    b) County Road 86a and State Route 16 (southeast of Esparto)

    c) Yolo County Airport

    C. Authorize the signing of the Reentry Program Facility Siting Agreement between the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) and the county for potential reentry facility sites and to comply with Assembly Bill (AB 900);

    D. Authorize the signing of Options to Purchase real estate agreements for County Road 90 at State Route 16 (KATHYANNA RANCH, LLC) and County Road 86a at State Route 16 (JOHN DETERDING CO.) for potential sites for a reentry facility.”

  191. Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.

    Second, this is the staff report and staff recommendations.

    Third, all I see is that they are placing the three sites that have been designated as possible locations which is required by law. As far as I know there is much more that must occur before they can choose a final site.

    Here’s the staff recommendation:

    “RECOMMENDED ACTION:

    A. Reaffirm the county’s support for the siting of a reentry facility in Yolo County;

    B. Approve the list of potential sites for a state reentry facility in Yolo County;

    a) County Road 90 and State Route 16 (east of Madison)

    b) County Road 86a and State Route 16 (southeast of Esparto)

    c) Yolo County Airport

    C. Authorize the signing of the Reentry Program Facility Siting Agreement between the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) and the county for potential reentry facility sites and to comply with Assembly Bill (AB 900);

    D. Authorize the signing of Options to Purchase real estate agreements for County Road 90 at State Route 16 (KATHYANNA RANCH, LLC) and County Road 86a at State Route 16 (JOHN DETERDING CO.) for potential sites for a reentry facility.”

  192. Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.

    Second, this is the staff report and staff recommendations.

    Third, all I see is that they are placing the three sites that have been designated as possible locations which is required by law. As far as I know there is much more that must occur before they can choose a final site.

    Here’s the staff recommendation:

    “RECOMMENDED ACTION:

    A. Reaffirm the county’s support for the siting of a reentry facility in Yolo County;

    B. Approve the list of potential sites for a state reentry facility in Yolo County;

    a) County Road 90 and State Route 16 (east of Madison)

    b) County Road 86a and State Route 16 (southeast of Esparto)

    c) Yolo County Airport

    C. Authorize the signing of the Reentry Program Facility Siting Agreement between the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) and the county for potential reentry facility sites and to comply with Assembly Bill (AB 900);

    D. Authorize the signing of Options to Purchase real estate agreements for County Road 90 at State Route 16 (KATHYANNA RANCH, LLC) and County Road 86a at State Route 16 (JOHN DETERDING CO.) for potential sites for a reentry facility.”

  193. A facility like this that is built in a rural setting is a perfect set up to morph into a maximum security prison. I think everyone is missing the likelihood of this potential outcome. If no town wants it and it seems they all have veto power and this county takes the money and builds it out where it doesn’t belong, what keeps it from morphing. certainly not the proximity to a town or city.

  194. A facility like this that is built in a rural setting is a perfect set up to morph into a maximum security prison. I think everyone is missing the likelihood of this potential outcome. If no town wants it and it seems they all have veto power and this county takes the money and builds it out where it doesn’t belong, what keeps it from morphing. certainly not the proximity to a town or city.

  195. A facility like this that is built in a rural setting is a perfect set up to morph into a maximum security prison. I think everyone is missing the likelihood of this potential outcome. If no town wants it and it seems they all have veto power and this county takes the money and builds it out where it doesn’t belong, what keeps it from morphing. certainly not the proximity to a town or city.

  196. A facility like this that is built in a rural setting is a perfect set up to morph into a maximum security prison. I think everyone is missing the likelihood of this potential outcome. If no town wants it and it seems they all have veto power and this county takes the money and builds it out where it doesn’t belong, what keeps it from morphing. certainly not the proximity to a town or city.

  197. “I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    Your suggestion, David, does not mean you disagree with my preference, which would be to have “an extensive inside-prison program that gives people an education, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    If we would cut the pay of prison guards — who are among the most overpaid public employees in California — and divert that money inside our prisons to an intensive rehab program, particularly one including literacy classes and trade-school skills, I think we would see less recidivism and need less of these programs for ex-cons on the outside.

    * 3. Prison guards;
    2.

  198. “I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    Your suggestion, David, does not mean you disagree with my preference, which would be to have “an extensive inside-prison program that gives people an education, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    If we would cut the pay of prison guards — who are among the most overpaid public employees in California — and divert that money inside our prisons to an intensive rehab program, particularly one including literacy classes and trade-school skills, I think we would see less recidivism and need less of these programs for ex-cons on the outside.

    * 3. Prison guards;
    2.

  199. “I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    Your suggestion, David, does not mean you disagree with my preference, which would be to have “an extensive inside-prison program that gives people an education, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    If we would cut the pay of prison guards — who are among the most overpaid public employees in California — and divert that money inside our prisons to an intensive rehab program, particularly one including literacy classes and trade-school skills, I think we would see less recidivism and need less of these programs for ex-cons on the outside.

    * 3. Prison guards;
    2.

  200. “I’d like to see an extensive out-of-prison program as well that gives people who want it an education–many of these people don’t even have a high school diploma, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    Your suggestion, David, does not mean you disagree with my preference, which would be to have “an extensive inside-prison program that gives people an education, job skills, and other resources to help prevent them from falling back to old habits.”

    If we would cut the pay of prison guards — who are among the most overpaid public employees in California — and divert that money inside our prisons to an intensive rehab program, particularly one including literacy classes and trade-school skills, I think we would see less recidivism and need less of these programs for ex-cons on the outside.

    * 3. Prison guards;
    2.

  201. “While I remain supportive of the basic concept of the re-entry facility, the process of this is increasingly concerning me. The prison expansion project for the county has already been approved by the board of supervisors and will cost $42 million for a new pod on the current facility. By allowing a re-entry facility, the county can directly recoup $30 million of that. So a huge vested financial interest by the county is driving the re-entry facility project.”

    This is the crux of the issue. The County Bd of Sups sees a way of recouping $30 million dollars at the expense of some community. And I say expense, because who do you think is going to have to pay for a 4th fire station or additional AMR, etc. if this facility is placed near Davis? This facility will cause fiscal impacts to any surrounding community wherever it goes.

    The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle. They see accepting this money as a way out.

    Anyone who supports the concept of this facility as reducing recidivism in any way is kidding themselves. There are programs that do work – such as the “Scared Straight” program that was tried at Rahway Prison in New York. But it has not been duplicated to my knowledge, even tho it proved successful beyond anyone’s expectations.

    Why was it not duplicated? Because it is cheap to implement – doesn’t take much money. Let that sink in for a minute, then think about why this reentry facility is being proposed.

    There is no reason why vo-tech programs, counseling, etc. cannot be done right in current prisons. But that would be a much cheaper alternative than a whole new re-entry facility. And you don’t think this re-entry facility isn’t just a first step in establishing another prison to relieve prison overcrowding?

    As for Rexroad’s comment that Davis should not have been notified, then don’t expect Davis to cough up any money or services for this facility either. Nor additional traffic, nor parolees, nor our bus station, etc., etc., etc. Get my drift?

  202. “While I remain supportive of the basic concept of the re-entry facility, the process of this is increasingly concerning me. The prison expansion project for the county has already been approved by the board of supervisors and will cost $42 million for a new pod on the current facility. By allowing a re-entry facility, the county can directly recoup $30 million of that. So a huge vested financial interest by the county is driving the re-entry facility project.”

    This is the crux of the issue. The County Bd of Sups sees a way of recouping $30 million dollars at the expense of some community. And I say expense, because who do you think is going to have to pay for a 4th fire station or additional AMR, etc. if this facility is placed near Davis? This facility will cause fiscal impacts to any surrounding community wherever it goes.

    The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle. They see accepting this money as a way out.

    Anyone who supports the concept of this facility as reducing recidivism in any way is kidding themselves. There are programs that do work – such as the “Scared Straight” program that was tried at Rahway Prison in New York. But it has not been duplicated to my knowledge, even tho it proved successful beyond anyone’s expectations.

    Why was it not duplicated? Because it is cheap to implement – doesn’t take much money. Let that sink in for a minute, then think about why this reentry facility is being proposed.

    There is no reason why vo-tech programs, counseling, etc. cannot be done right in current prisons. But that would be a much cheaper alternative than a whole new re-entry facility. And you don’t think this re-entry facility isn’t just a first step in establishing another prison to relieve prison overcrowding?

    As for Rexroad’s comment that Davis should not have been notified, then don’t expect Davis to cough up any money or services for this facility either. Nor additional traffic, nor parolees, nor our bus station, etc., etc., etc. Get my drift?

  203. “While I remain supportive of the basic concept of the re-entry facility, the process of this is increasingly concerning me. The prison expansion project for the county has already been approved by the board of supervisors and will cost $42 million for a new pod on the current facility. By allowing a re-entry facility, the county can directly recoup $30 million of that. So a huge vested financial interest by the county is driving the re-entry facility project.”

    This is the crux of the issue. The County Bd of Sups sees a way of recouping $30 million dollars at the expense of some community. And I say expense, because who do you think is going to have to pay for a 4th fire station or additional AMR, etc. if this facility is placed near Davis? This facility will cause fiscal impacts to any surrounding community wherever it goes.

    The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle. They see accepting this money as a way out.

    Anyone who supports the concept of this facility as reducing recidivism in any way is kidding themselves. There are programs that do work – such as the “Scared Straight” program that was tried at Rahway Prison in New York. But it has not been duplicated to my knowledge, even tho it proved successful beyond anyone’s expectations.

    Why was it not duplicated? Because it is cheap to implement – doesn’t take much money. Let that sink in for a minute, then think about why this reentry facility is being proposed.

    There is no reason why vo-tech programs, counseling, etc. cannot be done right in current prisons. But that would be a much cheaper alternative than a whole new re-entry facility. And you don’t think this re-entry facility isn’t just a first step in establishing another prison to relieve prison overcrowding?

    As for Rexroad’s comment that Davis should not have been notified, then don’t expect Davis to cough up any money or services for this facility either. Nor additional traffic, nor parolees, nor our bus station, etc., etc., etc. Get my drift?

  204. “While I remain supportive of the basic concept of the re-entry facility, the process of this is increasingly concerning me. The prison expansion project for the county has already been approved by the board of supervisors and will cost $42 million for a new pod on the current facility. By allowing a re-entry facility, the county can directly recoup $30 million of that. So a huge vested financial interest by the county is driving the re-entry facility project.”

    This is the crux of the issue. The County Bd of Sups sees a way of recouping $30 million dollars at the expense of some community. And I say expense, because who do you think is going to have to pay for a 4th fire station or additional AMR, etc. if this facility is placed near Davis? This facility will cause fiscal impacts to any surrounding community wherever it goes.

    The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle. They see accepting this money as a way out.

    Anyone who supports the concept of this facility as reducing recidivism in any way is kidding themselves. There are programs that do work – such as the “Scared Straight” program that was tried at Rahway Prison in New York. But it has not been duplicated to my knowledge, even tho it proved successful beyond anyone’s expectations.

    Why was it not duplicated? Because it is cheap to implement – doesn’t take much money. Let that sink in for a minute, then think about why this reentry facility is being proposed.

    There is no reason why vo-tech programs, counseling, etc. cannot be done right in current prisons. But that would be a much cheaper alternative than a whole new re-entry facility. And you don’t think this re-entry facility isn’t just a first step in establishing another prison to relieve prison overcrowding?

    As for Rexroad’s comment that Davis should not have been notified, then don’t expect Davis to cough up any money or services for this facility either. Nor additional traffic, nor parolees, nor our bus station, etc., etc., etc. Get my drift?

  205. Disgusted: “The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle.”

    My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?

    It’s hard for the county to get much in sales taxes, because most retail business is within the incorporated cities; and we have agreed as a populace to try to avoid urbanization in our rural areas and preserve farmland.

    You probably know that counties across the state are often put in a financial pickle, forced by mandate by the state to do a number of important tasks (the courts, law enforcement, rural schools, indigent health care, public health, hazardous materials oversight, manage multiple programs for the poor, the libraries, and so on), but without financial support for those programs from the state. When the state has fiscal problems, it always reduces the property tax money going to counties. They divert it to the schools, per Prop 98.

  206. Disgusted: “The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle.”

    My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?

    It’s hard for the county to get much in sales taxes, because most retail business is within the incorporated cities; and we have agreed as a populace to try to avoid urbanization in our rural areas and preserve farmland.

    You probably know that counties across the state are often put in a financial pickle, forced by mandate by the state to do a number of important tasks (the courts, law enforcement, rural schools, indigent health care, public health, hazardous materials oversight, manage multiple programs for the poor, the libraries, and so on), but without financial support for those programs from the state. When the state has fiscal problems, it always reduces the property tax money going to counties. They divert it to the schools, per Prop 98.

  207. Disgusted: “The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle.”

    My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?

    It’s hard for the county to get much in sales taxes, because most retail business is within the incorporated cities; and we have agreed as a populace to try to avoid urbanization in our rural areas and preserve farmland.

    You probably know that counties across the state are often put in a financial pickle, forced by mandate by the state to do a number of important tasks (the courts, law enforcement, rural schools, indigent health care, public health, hazardous materials oversight, manage multiple programs for the poor, the libraries, and so on), but without financial support for those programs from the state. When the state has fiscal problems, it always reduces the property tax money going to counties. They divert it to the schools, per Prop 98.

  208. Disgusted: “The fact of the matter is that the Bd of Sups has not done a very good job creating tax revenues for the county. They are so busy saving ag land, not promoting business, they are now in a fiscal pickle.”

    My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?

    It’s hard for the county to get much in sales taxes, because most retail business is within the incorporated cities; and we have agreed as a populace to try to avoid urbanization in our rural areas and preserve farmland.

    You probably know that counties across the state are often put in a financial pickle, forced by mandate by the state to do a number of important tasks (the courts, law enforcement, rural schools, indigent health care, public health, hazardous materials oversight, manage multiple programs for the poor, the libraries, and so on), but without financial support for those programs from the state. When the state has fiscal problems, it always reduces the property tax money going to counties. They divert it to the schools, per Prop 98.

  209. Anonymous said…
    It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

    The first flaw with this argument is that the existing jails have neighbors too. So no matter where such a facility is built, your objection will apply. The only difference will be that the names and faces will change. The second flaw has been raised earlier in another comment. There is not enough available land adjacent to the existing jail to build a facility that complys with governmental regulations.

    Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?

  210. Anonymous said…
    It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

    The first flaw with this argument is that the existing jails have neighbors too. So no matter where such a facility is built, your objection will apply. The only difference will be that the names and faces will change. The second flaw has been raised earlier in another comment. There is not enough available land adjacent to the existing jail to build a facility that complys with governmental regulations.

    Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?

  211. Anonymous said…
    It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

    The first flaw with this argument is that the existing jails have neighbors too. So no matter where such a facility is built, your objection will apply. The only difference will be that the names and faces will change. The second flaw has been raised earlier in another comment. There is not enough available land adjacent to the existing jail to build a facility that complys with governmental regulations.

    Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?

  212. Anonymous said…
    It is only normal to be afraid of crime. It is not clear that social programs decrease recidivism. It is not clear that this reentry jail will decrease recidivism. Only in Davis would people be skewered for resisting a new prison in their neighborhood.

    It is sad that the neighbors have to resort to arguments like traffic. I sympathize with them. They should be able to simply say that they are afraid to have a new, lower security jail in their neighborhood. Who wouldn’t be?

    I agree with Don Shore: Institute re-entry programs at existing jails, if you really think they are going to make a difference. And decriminalize victimless crimes to lower the number of people in jail.

    The first flaw with this argument is that the existing jails have neighbors too. So no matter where such a facility is built, your objection will apply. The only difference will be that the names and faces will change. The second flaw has been raised earlier in another comment. There is not enough available land adjacent to the existing jail to build a facility that complys with governmental regulations.

    Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?

  213. Matt: good post. If I might take liberty here, to complete the circle, if you believe that there should be such a facility in Yolo County, the question is where and then it comes down to land use elements like traffic, roads, infrastructure, etc.

  214. Matt: good post. If I might take liberty here, to complete the circle, if you believe that there should be such a facility in Yolo County, the question is where and then it comes down to land use elements like traffic, roads, infrastructure, etc.

  215. Matt: good post. If I might take liberty here, to complete the circle, if you believe that there should be such a facility in Yolo County, the question is where and then it comes down to land use elements like traffic, roads, infrastructure, etc.

  216. Matt: good post. If I might take liberty here, to complete the circle, if you believe that there should be such a facility in Yolo County, the question is where and then it comes down to land use elements like traffic, roads, infrastructure, etc.

  217. “Scared Straight programs are a complete failure. They do not work. Boot Camps do not work. Get Tough programs do not work.”

    Actually, you would be wrong about the “Scared Straight” program. Out of 30 juvenile delinquents in the program, only one returned to jail I believe. For those who do not know the program, here is how it worked. Only those juveniles who were “incorrigibles” were taken into the program. They were taken to Rahway State Prison, a maximum security prison, and introduced to “lifers” and other hardened criminals who had been pre-screened for the program. The prisoners let the juveniles know just what prison was going to be like – rapes, knifings, recidivism. It was a real eye opener for just about every one of those juveniles in that program, who thought they were so tough. They weren’t so tough in conversation with hardened criminals.

    “Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?”

    What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison. It will house some of the worst criminals. Now why would any sane community want this in their backyard?

    Furthermore, it makes much more sense to have an overflow prison facility near an urban area where services are. But guess what, not one city in Yolo wants it, and they have veto power. So that leaves the unincorporated areas. Furthermore, my understanding is some of the prisoners will be from Solano county. Why not have Solano county locations considered as well? Or did they more wisely pass on the $30 million, while our Bd of Sups naively bit at the bait?

    “My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?”

    Very good question – and is what we pay the Bd of Sups to know. How about agricultural business? How about an ag research facility? Isn’t there county land along Rt 80 or Hwy 113 that would be suitable for business? The more important question is what have the Bd of Sups done to attract business to the unincorporated areas? My guess is zilch!

  218. “Scared Straight programs are a complete failure. They do not work. Boot Camps do not work. Get Tough programs do not work.”

    Actually, you would be wrong about the “Scared Straight” program. Out of 30 juvenile delinquents in the program, only one returned to jail I believe. For those who do not know the program, here is how it worked. Only those juveniles who were “incorrigibles” were taken into the program. They were taken to Rahway State Prison, a maximum security prison, and introduced to “lifers” and other hardened criminals who had been pre-screened for the program. The prisoners let the juveniles know just what prison was going to be like – rapes, knifings, recidivism. It was a real eye opener for just about every one of those juveniles in that program, who thought they were so tough. They weren’t so tough in conversation with hardened criminals.

    “Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?”

    What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison. It will house some of the worst criminals. Now why would any sane community want this in their backyard?

    Furthermore, it makes much more sense to have an overflow prison facility near an urban area where services are. But guess what, not one city in Yolo wants it, and they have veto power. So that leaves the unincorporated areas. Furthermore, my understanding is some of the prisoners will be from Solano county. Why not have Solano county locations considered as well? Or did they more wisely pass on the $30 million, while our Bd of Sups naively bit at the bait?

    “My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?”

    Very good question – and is what we pay the Bd of Sups to know. How about agricultural business? How about an ag research facility? Isn’t there county land along Rt 80 or Hwy 113 that would be suitable for business? The more important question is what have the Bd of Sups done to attract business to the unincorporated areas? My guess is zilch!

  219. “Scared Straight programs are a complete failure. They do not work. Boot Camps do not work. Get Tough programs do not work.”

    Actually, you would be wrong about the “Scared Straight” program. Out of 30 juvenile delinquents in the program, only one returned to jail I believe. For those who do not know the program, here is how it worked. Only those juveniles who were “incorrigibles” were taken into the program. They were taken to Rahway State Prison, a maximum security prison, and introduced to “lifers” and other hardened criminals who had been pre-screened for the program. The prisoners let the juveniles know just what prison was going to be like – rapes, knifings, recidivism. It was a real eye opener for just about every one of those juveniles in that program, who thought they were so tough. They weren’t so tough in conversation with hardened criminals.

    “Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?”

    What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison. It will house some of the worst criminals. Now why would any sane community want this in their backyard?

    Furthermore, it makes much more sense to have an overflow prison facility near an urban area where services are. But guess what, not one city in Yolo wants it, and they have veto power. So that leaves the unincorporated areas. Furthermore, my understanding is some of the prisoners will be from Solano county. Why not have Solano county locations considered as well? Or did they more wisely pass on the $30 million, while our Bd of Sups naively bit at the bait?

    “My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?”

    Very good question – and is what we pay the Bd of Sups to know. How about agricultural business? How about an ag research facility? Isn’t there county land along Rt 80 or Hwy 113 that would be suitable for business? The more important question is what have the Bd of Sups done to attract business to the unincorporated areas? My guess is zilch!

  220. “Scared Straight programs are a complete failure. They do not work. Boot Camps do not work. Get Tough programs do not work.”

    Actually, you would be wrong about the “Scared Straight” program. Out of 30 juvenile delinquents in the program, only one returned to jail I believe. For those who do not know the program, here is how it worked. Only those juveniles who were “incorrigibles” were taken into the program. They were taken to Rahway State Prison, a maximum security prison, and introduced to “lifers” and other hardened criminals who had been pre-screened for the program. The prisoners let the juveniles know just what prison was going to be like – rapes, knifings, recidivism. It was a real eye opener for just about every one of those juveniles in that program, who thought they were so tough. They weren’t so tough in conversation with hardened criminals.

    “Your only legitimate objection is to oppose building such a facility anywhere in Yolo County. Is that what you desire? If it is, why?”

    What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison. It will house some of the worst criminals. Now why would any sane community want this in their backyard?

    Furthermore, it makes much more sense to have an overflow prison facility near an urban area where services are. But guess what, not one city in Yolo wants it, and they have veto power. So that leaves the unincorporated areas. Furthermore, my understanding is some of the prisoners will be from Solano county. Why not have Solano county locations considered as well? Or did they more wisely pass on the $30 million, while our Bd of Sups naively bit at the bait?

    “My question about your remarks is sincere, not cynical, because I really don’t know: How do you suggest the county should go about creating greater tax revenues for itself?”

    Very good question – and is what we pay the Bd of Sups to know. How about agricultural business? How about an ag research facility? Isn’t there county land along Rt 80 or Hwy 113 that would be suitable for business? The more important question is what have the Bd of Sups done to attract business to the unincorporated areas? My guess is zilch!

  221. On scared straight:

    According to what I found on the web, the recidivism rate of the original group was less than 10 percent.

    However, there are nuances to that.

    “Teenagers in the 1978 and 1980 documentaries ranged from 15- to 19-year-old repeat offenders of crimes ranging from petty theft and public intoxication to gambling, counterfeiting and racketeering. None of the individuals in the original documentary were ever convicted of a felony.”

    Moreover:

    “As a result of the film, many states introduced “scared straight” programs in an attempt to rehabilitate young delinquents. The effectiveness of such programs has been questioned, most significantly by a meta-analysis of seven such programs by Anthony Petrosino et al. (2002, updated 2003), which found that “scared straight” programs not only failed to deter crime, but actually led to more offending behavior.”

    Which is why most states have since dropped the scared straight attempts.

    I also object to another point you make:

    “What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison.”

    Given the number of overall prisoners, 500 is hardly overflow. If their goal was overflow, they could have built a larger facility. I just don’t buy that argument.

  222. On scared straight:

    According to what I found on the web, the recidivism rate of the original group was less than 10 percent.

    However, there are nuances to that.

    “Teenagers in the 1978 and 1980 documentaries ranged from 15- to 19-year-old repeat offenders of crimes ranging from petty theft and public intoxication to gambling, counterfeiting and racketeering. None of the individuals in the original documentary were ever convicted of a felony.”

    Moreover:

    “As a result of the film, many states introduced “scared straight” programs in an attempt to rehabilitate young delinquents. The effectiveness of such programs has been questioned, most significantly by a meta-analysis of seven such programs by Anthony Petrosino et al. (2002, updated 2003), which found that “scared straight” programs not only failed to deter crime, but actually led to more offending behavior.”

    Which is why most states have since dropped the scared straight attempts.

    I also object to another point you make:

    “What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison.”

    Given the number of overall prisoners, 500 is hardly overflow. If their goal was overflow, they could have built a larger facility. I just don’t buy that argument.

  223. On scared straight:

    According to what I found on the web, the recidivism rate of the original group was less than 10 percent.

    However, there are nuances to that.

    “Teenagers in the 1978 and 1980 documentaries ranged from 15- to 19-year-old repeat offenders of crimes ranging from petty theft and public intoxication to gambling, counterfeiting and racketeering. None of the individuals in the original documentary were ever convicted of a felony.”

    Moreover:

    “As a result of the film, many states introduced “scared straight” programs in an attempt to rehabilitate young delinquents. The effectiveness of such programs has been questioned, most significantly by a meta-analysis of seven such programs by Anthony Petrosino et al. (2002, updated 2003), which found that “scared straight” programs not only failed to deter crime, but actually led to more offending behavior.”

    Which is why most states have since dropped the scared straight attempts.

    I also object to another point you make:

    “What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison.”

    Given the number of overall prisoners, 500 is hardly overflow. If their goal was overflow, they could have built a larger facility. I just don’t buy that argument.

  224. On scared straight:

    According to what I found on the web, the recidivism rate of the original group was less than 10 percent.

    However, there are nuances to that.

    “Teenagers in the 1978 and 1980 documentaries ranged from 15- to 19-year-old repeat offenders of crimes ranging from petty theft and public intoxication to gambling, counterfeiting and racketeering. None of the individuals in the original documentary were ever convicted of a felony.”

    Moreover:

    “As a result of the film, many states introduced “scared straight” programs in an attempt to rehabilitate young delinquents. The effectiveness of such programs has been questioned, most significantly by a meta-analysis of seven such programs by Anthony Petrosino et al. (2002, updated 2003), which found that “scared straight” programs not only failed to deter crime, but actually led to more offending behavior.”

    Which is why most states have since dropped the scared straight attempts.

    I also object to another point you make:

    “What I object to is the double speak. All of these programs the state is talking about could be carried out in existing overcrowded prisons. But if a new reentry facility is built, it will be another 500 beds. Let’s call this project what it really is – a ploy by the state to create a new small overflow prison.”

    Given the number of overall prisoners, 500 is hardly overflow. If their goal was overflow, they could have built a larger facility. I just don’t buy that argument.

  225. What about building this Re-entry Facility in South Davis? There is a lot of land available there and it could help bring money to the economy. Additionally, it’s not too far from West Sacramento where a lot of employees may live since they probably could not afford to live in Davis.

  226. What about building this Re-entry Facility in South Davis? There is a lot of land available there and it could help bring money to the economy. Additionally, it’s not too far from West Sacramento where a lot of employees may live since they probably could not afford to live in Davis.

  227. What about building this Re-entry Facility in South Davis? There is a lot of land available there and it could help bring money to the economy. Additionally, it’s not too far from West Sacramento where a lot of employees may live since they probably could not afford to live in Davis.

  228. What about building this Re-entry Facility in South Davis? There is a lot of land available there and it could help bring money to the economy. Additionally, it’s not too far from West Sacramento where a lot of employees may live since they probably could not afford to live in Davis.

  229. First, I would like to point out that a prison is a prison is a prison. One which houses 500 inmates and over 300 employees is like a small town of 1000 people.
    And one which will always house 500 prisoners, no doubt regardless of where they come from. To call it a reentry facility is a ploy for the gullible. There are programs for rehabilitation in the prisons now, but they are only as effective as the prisoners’ willingness to avail themselves of these programs. I believe that integrity, responsibility and respect are inside jobs. A new facility will not bring about such changes in the inmates, it will simply detract from the real problems, i.e. the inability of the Dept. of corrections to rehabilitate current prisoners. I understand that the program of Alcoholics Anonymous maintains that they have less than a 30% success rate and their membership is voluntary. To expect a greater rate of success amongst a prison population living in the largest assisted living institution funded by tax payers is ridiculous. The AA members have no one feeding them, housing them and giving them medical attention. They have much more to gain from successfully participating in their own recovery than those on the dole.

    I believe the constituents of Yolo County deserve integrity, responsiblilty and respect from their Board of Supervisors.If the collective imagination and the moral authority of the current Board is this bankrupt, perhaps the members should step down and let those who can devise less noxious plans take their places. Call it what you will, a prison is a prison is a prison and by any other name still a prison.

  230. First, I would like to point out that a prison is a prison is a prison. One which houses 500 inmates and over 300 employees is like a small town of 1000 people.
    And one which will always house 500 prisoners, no doubt regardless of where they come from. To call it a reentry facility is a ploy for the gullible. There are programs for rehabilitation in the prisons now, but they are only as effective as the prisoners’ willingness to avail themselves of these programs. I believe that integrity, responsibility and respect are inside jobs. A new facility will not bring about such changes in the inmates, it will simply detract from the real problems, i.e. the inability of the Dept. of corrections to rehabilitate current prisoners. I understand that the program of Alcoholics Anonymous maintains that they have less than a 30% success rate and their membership is voluntary. To expect a greater rate of success amongst a prison population living in the largest assisted living institution funded by tax payers is ridiculous. The AA members have no one feeding them, housing them and giving them medical attention. They have much more to gain from successfully participating in their own recovery than those on the dole.

    I believe the constituents of Yolo County deserve integrity, responsiblilty and respect from their Board of Supervisors.If the collective imagination and the moral authority of the current Board is this bankrupt, perhaps the members should step down and let those who can devise less noxious plans take their places. Call it what you will, a prison is a prison is a prison and by any other name still a prison.

  231. First, I would like to point out that a prison is a prison is a prison. One which houses 500 inmates and over 300 employees is like a small town of 1000 people.
    And one which will always house 500 prisoners, no doubt regardless of where they come from. To call it a reentry facility is a ploy for the gullible. There are programs for rehabilitation in the prisons now, but they are only as effective as the prisoners’ willingness to avail themselves of these programs. I believe that integrity, responsibility and respect are inside jobs. A new facility will not bring about such changes in the inmates, it will simply detract from the real problems, i.e. the inability of the Dept. of corrections to rehabilitate current prisoners. I understand that the program of Alcoholics Anonymous maintains that they have less than a 30% success rate and their membership is voluntary. To expect a greater rate of success amongst a prison population living in the largest assisted living institution funded by tax payers is ridiculous. The AA members have no one feeding them, housing them and giving them medical attention. They have much more to gain from successfully participating in their own recovery than those on the dole.

    I believe the constituents of Yolo County deserve integrity, responsiblilty and respect from their Board of Supervisors.If the collective imagination and the moral authority of the current Board is this bankrupt, perhaps the members should step down and let those who can devise less noxious plans take their places. Call it what you will, a prison is a prison is a prison and by any other name still a prison.

  232. First, I would like to point out that a prison is a prison is a prison. One which houses 500 inmates and over 300 employees is like a small town of 1000 people.
    And one which will always house 500 prisoners, no doubt regardless of where they come from. To call it a reentry facility is a ploy for the gullible. There are programs for rehabilitation in the prisons now, but they are only as effective as the prisoners’ willingness to avail themselves of these programs. I believe that integrity, responsibility and respect are inside jobs. A new facility will not bring about such changes in the inmates, it will simply detract from the real problems, i.e. the inability of the Dept. of corrections to rehabilitate current prisoners. I understand that the program of Alcoholics Anonymous maintains that they have less than a 30% success rate and their membership is voluntary. To expect a greater rate of success amongst a prison population living in the largest assisted living institution funded by tax payers is ridiculous. The AA members have no one feeding them, housing them and giving them medical attention. They have much more to gain from successfully participating in their own recovery than those on the dole.

    I believe the constituents of Yolo County deserve integrity, responsiblilty and respect from their Board of Supervisors.If the collective imagination and the moral authority of the current Board is this bankrupt, perhaps the members should step down and let those who can devise less noxious plans take their places. Call it what you will, a prison is a prison is a prison and by any other name still a prison.

  233. Re:
    “Doug Paul Davis said…
    Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.”
    From where I sat it sure looked like a few violations of the Brown Act. WHY didn’t Supervisor McGowan stop the meeting when West Plainfield went off the table, bring Duane Chamberlain back in the room and hand the gavel over to Duane?

    Why weren’t we given the parameters of the “closed” session of the BOS meeting on 9/9/08?

    When they returned from the “closed” session why did they immediately go into a question and answer session with the state corrections staff and not give a report on the closed session?

    In fact I’d like our district attorney to review the proceedings of the BOS meeting to ensure the Brown Act was not violated. If it was, I want the violators to be held accountable and not by a slap on the wrist.

    Melissa Jordan, Esparto

  234. Re:
    “Doug Paul Davis said…
    Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.”
    From where I sat it sure looked like a few violations of the Brown Act. WHY didn’t Supervisor McGowan stop the meeting when West Plainfield went off the table, bring Duane Chamberlain back in the room and hand the gavel over to Duane?

    Why weren’t we given the parameters of the “closed” session of the BOS meeting on 9/9/08?

    When they returned from the “closed” session why did they immediately go into a question and answer session with the state corrections staff and not give a report on the closed session?

    In fact I’d like our district attorney to review the proceedings of the BOS meeting to ensure the Brown Act was not violated. If it was, I want the violators to be held accountable and not by a slap on the wrist.

    Melissa Jordan, Esparto

  235. Re:
    “Doug Paul Davis said…
    Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.”
    From where I sat it sure looked like a few violations of the Brown Act. WHY didn’t Supervisor McGowan stop the meeting when West Plainfield went off the table, bring Duane Chamberlain back in the room and hand the gavel over to Duane?

    Why weren’t we given the parameters of the “closed” session of the BOS meeting on 9/9/08?

    When they returned from the “closed” session why did they immediately go into a question and answer session with the state corrections staff and not give a report on the closed session?

    In fact I’d like our district attorney to review the proceedings of the BOS meeting to ensure the Brown Act was not violated. If it was, I want the violators to be held accountable and not by a slap on the wrist.

    Melissa Jordan, Esparto

  236. Re:
    “Doug Paul Davis said…
    Anonymous:

    The BOS cannot have made up their minds on where to put the reentry facility, that would be a violation of the Brown Act.”
    From where I sat it sure looked like a few violations of the Brown Act. WHY didn’t Supervisor McGowan stop the meeting when West Plainfield went off the table, bring Duane Chamberlain back in the room and hand the gavel over to Duane?

    Why weren’t we given the parameters of the “closed” session of the BOS meeting on 9/9/08?

    When they returned from the “closed” session why did they immediately go into a question and answer session with the state corrections staff and not give a report on the closed session?

    In fact I’d like our district attorney to review the proceedings of the BOS meeting to ensure the Brown Act was not violated. If it was, I want the violators to be held accountable and not by a slap on the wrist.

    Melissa Jordan, Esparto

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