Bottom line here is that I can sympathize with the plight of those from Madison. They felt disenfranchised by the process not only because they lacked the veto power that an incorporated city would have but because their own board member was partially conflicted out of the discussion. Despite what some have claimed, the fact that Duane Chamberlain farms land adjacent to the airport is a direct conflict of interest when weighing in on whether a prison should have been built there.
Supervisor Chamberlain was back on Tuesday to cast the lone ‘no’ vote. Supervisor Mariko Yamada abstained. The location was approved by a 3-1-1 vote.
The Woodland Daily Democrat described her decision to abstain:
“Yamada said she supported the idea of a re-entry facility for the county, but had heard nothing throughout the discussion to assure her of the “fairness” of placing the facility in Madison. In addition, she noted, she will not be present to see the facility plan implemented, as she is the heavy favorite in the race for the 8th Assembly District in November.
“I’m not doing this because I’m afraid to make either side mad,” she told a packed crowd in the supervisors’ chambers Tuesday. “By doing this, I’ll likely make both sides mad.”
The Davis Enterprise added:
“Yamada said while she supports the concept of a re-entry program, ‘siting it in a rural area fails two tests – one of these is certainty, and the other is fairness.'”
I must admit, I do not exactly understand her rationale. Why not just vote no if she is uncomfortable with the location?
The Rumsey Band of Wintun Indians and their tribal leader Marshall McKay wrote a letter to the Board of Supervisors urging them to reconsider the Madison site.
“We have serious concerns that the placement of a prison in Madison could thwart what the tribe and county are working to build here, which is a thriving community supported by needed infrastructure, planned growth and economic development.”
This process is really somewhat backwards. The next step is a planning process whereby the state will analyze the cite and undergo CEQA process. Should the site not be feasible, the county would likely be granted additional time to find an alternative site.
Now the threats. The neighbors are threatening both a recall and lawsuit. I will deal with the recall first because that has to be dead on arrival. Who are they going to recall? The residents who are actually angry about this live in Chamberlain’s district. They are going to recall him. So they are going to try to recall someone else’s supervisor? That is not going to work to well. I do not get the sense that there is enough interest in the rest of the county to get enough signatures for recall let alone to enable them to remove and replace someone. Just is not a realistic possibility.
As far as a lawsuit goes it more likely will prolong the process.
I sympathize with the residents of Madison, they do not want this. There is not much solace I can give them, however, there is little evidence to support the notion that a prison would lower property values.
Additionally people fear that the prison could morph into something else. However, the board believes that the site lease agreement of 25 years will preclude that at least in the near future.
At some point, this process needs to move forward. It is unfortunate however that rural residents have found themselves so powerless in the face of such a proposal. That I think is the real tragedy of all this.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
Perhaps there is a ray of light for Madison. Obviously no one wants a prison located near their home and the state knows this. The process appears to simply ask for a “possible” location so the state can make an allocation and start the actual process.
Everyone knows that a state CEQA process can have countless problems that would disqualify a site. This allows them to come up with a more reasoned and appropriate site to replace the placeholder.
If thats the case, then perhaps Madison will be spared the placement of the gulag and some other lucky location will end up with it…
Perhaps there is a ray of light for Madison. Obviously no one wants a prison located near their home and the state knows this. The process appears to simply ask for a “possible” location so the state can make an allocation and start the actual process.
Everyone knows that a state CEQA process can have countless problems that would disqualify a site. This allows them to come up with a more reasoned and appropriate site to replace the placeholder.
If thats the case, then perhaps Madison will be spared the placement of the gulag and some other lucky location will end up with it…
Perhaps there is a ray of light for Madison. Obviously no one wants a prison located near their home and the state knows this. The process appears to simply ask for a “possible” location so the state can make an allocation and start the actual process.
Everyone knows that a state CEQA process can have countless problems that would disqualify a site. This allows them to come up with a more reasoned and appropriate site to replace the placeholder.
If thats the case, then perhaps Madison will be spared the placement of the gulag and some other lucky location will end up with it…
Perhaps there is a ray of light for Madison. Obviously no one wants a prison located near their home and the state knows this. The process appears to simply ask for a “possible” location so the state can make an allocation and start the actual process.
Everyone knows that a state CEQA process can have countless problems that would disqualify a site. This allows them to come up with a more reasoned and appropriate site to replace the placeholder.
If thats the case, then perhaps Madison will be spared the placement of the gulag and some other lucky location will end up with it…
If Madison hires and attorney, the outcome is uncertain except for one thing: The attorney will end up with more money and the residents of Madison will have less money. Rexroad is right in that they should negotiate for the best set of mitigations they can come up with.
If Madison hires and attorney, the outcome is uncertain except for one thing: The attorney will end up with more money and the residents of Madison will have less money. Rexroad is right in that they should negotiate for the best set of mitigations they can come up with.
If Madison hires and attorney, the outcome is uncertain except for one thing: The attorney will end up with more money and the residents of Madison will have less money. Rexroad is right in that they should negotiate for the best set of mitigations they can come up with.
If Madison hires and attorney, the outcome is uncertain except for one thing: The attorney will end up with more money and the residents of Madison will have less money. Rexroad is right in that they should negotiate for the best set of mitigations they can come up with.
anon 9:19 –
rexroad’s blog said that the town will get improvements out of the building of the prison. like what? is the state going to stop flooding?
anon 9:19 –
rexroad’s blog said that the town will get improvements out of the building of the prison. like what? is the state going to stop flooding?
anon 9:19 –
rexroad’s blog said that the town will get improvements out of the building of the prison. like what? is the state going to stop flooding?
anon 9:19 –
rexroad’s blog said that the town will get improvements out of the building of the prison. like what? is the state going to stop flooding?
The Supervisors are forcing a prison on people who do not want it for money, pure and simple. The “reentry” program is not a proven program it is an experiment. Our Correction system is supposed to prepare prisoners for reentry, so why do we need a new type facility, why not just reform the failing prison system and make it rehabilitate better? Oh no we need a new facility in someone’s back yard. Yolo county needs to improve it’s jail so it builds another one and calls it something else. The Supervisors who love the experiment so much should find something in their own district. Chamberlain said no. The public living in the selected sites say no. So that makes the majority supervisors the NIMBY’s especially Rexroat. Yamada, well where is the logic of that argument, can’t say yes can’t say no. Local governments are facing budget cuts, but this is not a creative way to solve the problem. Madison is a rural area, the corrections Department wanted something in a urban area, so again where is the logic? The prison is to have up to 500 inmates and 300 correction employees, is this the way the supervisors are going to make Madison an urban area? I hope the public sees clearly the lack of community respect involved in this decision. From the beginning the county process was very quiet. Impacted cities and school districts were not notified. Why was that? Think about it.
The Supervisors are forcing a prison on people who do not want it for money, pure and simple. The “reentry” program is not a proven program it is an experiment. Our Correction system is supposed to prepare prisoners for reentry, so why do we need a new type facility, why not just reform the failing prison system and make it rehabilitate better? Oh no we need a new facility in someone’s back yard. Yolo county needs to improve it’s jail so it builds another one and calls it something else. The Supervisors who love the experiment so much should find something in their own district. Chamberlain said no. The public living in the selected sites say no. So that makes the majority supervisors the NIMBY’s especially Rexroat. Yamada, well where is the logic of that argument, can’t say yes can’t say no. Local governments are facing budget cuts, but this is not a creative way to solve the problem. Madison is a rural area, the corrections Department wanted something in a urban area, so again where is the logic? The prison is to have up to 500 inmates and 300 correction employees, is this the way the supervisors are going to make Madison an urban area? I hope the public sees clearly the lack of community respect involved in this decision. From the beginning the county process was very quiet. Impacted cities and school districts were not notified. Why was that? Think about it.
The Supervisors are forcing a prison on people who do not want it for money, pure and simple. The “reentry” program is not a proven program it is an experiment. Our Correction system is supposed to prepare prisoners for reentry, so why do we need a new type facility, why not just reform the failing prison system and make it rehabilitate better? Oh no we need a new facility in someone’s back yard. Yolo county needs to improve it’s jail so it builds another one and calls it something else. The Supervisors who love the experiment so much should find something in their own district. Chamberlain said no. The public living in the selected sites say no. So that makes the majority supervisors the NIMBY’s especially Rexroat. Yamada, well where is the logic of that argument, can’t say yes can’t say no. Local governments are facing budget cuts, but this is not a creative way to solve the problem. Madison is a rural area, the corrections Department wanted something in a urban area, so again where is the logic? The prison is to have up to 500 inmates and 300 correction employees, is this the way the supervisors are going to make Madison an urban area? I hope the public sees clearly the lack of community respect involved in this decision. From the beginning the county process was very quiet. Impacted cities and school districts were not notified. Why was that? Think about it.
The Supervisors are forcing a prison on people who do not want it for money, pure and simple. The “reentry” program is not a proven program it is an experiment. Our Correction system is supposed to prepare prisoners for reentry, so why do we need a new type facility, why not just reform the failing prison system and make it rehabilitate better? Oh no we need a new facility in someone’s back yard. Yolo county needs to improve it’s jail so it builds another one and calls it something else. The Supervisors who love the experiment so much should find something in their own district. Chamberlain said no. The public living in the selected sites say no. So that makes the majority supervisors the NIMBY’s especially Rexroat. Yamada, well where is the logic of that argument, can’t say yes can’t say no. Local governments are facing budget cuts, but this is not a creative way to solve the problem. Madison is a rural area, the corrections Department wanted something in a urban area, so again where is the logic? The prison is to have up to 500 inmates and 300 correction employees, is this the way the supervisors are going to make Madison an urban area? I hope the public sees clearly the lack of community respect involved in this decision. From the beginning the county process was very quiet. Impacted cities and school districts were not notified. Why was that? Think about it.
I thank the 3 Supervisors who had the guts to vote for this should be praised. They stood up and did what they thought was right. You can find fault with any project, and they weighed the positives and negatives and voted what they thought was best.
Unlike Yamada, who wussed out on even voting. That was pretty crass as far as political ploys go.
And don’t even think about Madison residents trying to recall or defeat Rexroad, Thomson, or McGowan. We don’t take kindly to people from outside our districts trying to influence our selection of reps, based on outsider’s self-interest.
I thank the 3 Supervisors who had the guts to vote for this should be praised. They stood up and did what they thought was right. You can find fault with any project, and they weighed the positives and negatives and voted what they thought was best.
Unlike Yamada, who wussed out on even voting. That was pretty crass as far as political ploys go.
And don’t even think about Madison residents trying to recall or defeat Rexroad, Thomson, or McGowan. We don’t take kindly to people from outside our districts trying to influence our selection of reps, based on outsider’s self-interest.
I thank the 3 Supervisors who had the guts to vote for this should be praised. They stood up and did what they thought was right. You can find fault with any project, and they weighed the positives and negatives and voted what they thought was best.
Unlike Yamada, who wussed out on even voting. That was pretty crass as far as political ploys go.
And don’t even think about Madison residents trying to recall or defeat Rexroad, Thomson, or McGowan. We don’t take kindly to people from outside our districts trying to influence our selection of reps, based on outsider’s self-interest.
I thank the 3 Supervisors who had the guts to vote for this should be praised. They stood up and did what they thought was right. You can find fault with any project, and they weighed the positives and negatives and voted what they thought was best.
Unlike Yamada, who wussed out on even voting. That was pretty crass as far as political ploys go.
And don’t even think about Madison residents trying to recall or defeat Rexroad, Thomson, or McGowan. We don’t take kindly to people from outside our districts trying to influence our selection of reps, based on outsider’s self-interest.
This “re-entry” scheme is merely a way for the law and order power bloc to build more prison space. So they get people like Helen Thompson’s vote to “help” the prisoners, when it fact the program is a right wing tool to expand the prison system. Helen, you should ask for reconsideration of your YES vote.
This “re-entry” scheme is merely a way for the law and order power bloc to build more prison space. So they get people like Helen Thompson’s vote to “help” the prisoners, when it fact the program is a right wing tool to expand the prison system. Helen, you should ask for reconsideration of your YES vote.
This “re-entry” scheme is merely a way for the law and order power bloc to build more prison space. So they get people like Helen Thompson’s vote to “help” the prisoners, when it fact the program is a right wing tool to expand the prison system. Helen, you should ask for reconsideration of your YES vote.
This “re-entry” scheme is merely a way for the law and order power bloc to build more prison space. So they get people like Helen Thompson’s vote to “help” the prisoners, when it fact the program is a right wing tool to expand the prison system. Helen, you should ask for reconsideration of your YES vote.
With any luck, the state will go elsewhere to build. This is nothing more than an overflow prison, to relieve prison overcrowding. Any rehab should have already happened at entry to any prison. The Bd of Sups want “free federal/state money”, at the expense of the Madison community. Shame on all the Bd of Sups except Chamberlain. I hope he is hopping mad, I hope Madison raises a royal stink…
With any luck, the state will go elsewhere to build. This is nothing more than an overflow prison, to relieve prison overcrowding. Any rehab should have already happened at entry to any prison. The Bd of Sups want “free federal/state money”, at the expense of the Madison community. Shame on all the Bd of Sups except Chamberlain. I hope he is hopping mad, I hope Madison raises a royal stink…
With any luck, the state will go elsewhere to build. This is nothing more than an overflow prison, to relieve prison overcrowding. Any rehab should have already happened at entry to any prison. The Bd of Sups want “free federal/state money”, at the expense of the Madison community. Shame on all the Bd of Sups except Chamberlain. I hope he is hopping mad, I hope Madison raises a royal stink…
With any luck, the state will go elsewhere to build. This is nothing more than an overflow prison, to relieve prison overcrowding. Any rehab should have already happened at entry to any prison. The Bd of Sups want “free federal/state money”, at the expense of the Madison community. Shame on all the Bd of Sups except Chamberlain. I hope he is hopping mad, I hope Madison raises a royal stink…
You know that the total value of real estate in Madison is less than the cost of flood protection for Madison? So what makes more sense? Should you have the residents move to Esparto and get free homes (taxpayer financed), or should you spend the taxpayer money on a flood solution? In the midwest, they move the towns to deal with the flood threat. Out here, we seem to think we are smarter than nature.
You know that the total value of real estate in Madison is less than the cost of flood protection for Madison? So what makes more sense? Should you have the residents move to Esparto and get free homes (taxpayer financed), or should you spend the taxpayer money on a flood solution? In the midwest, they move the towns to deal with the flood threat. Out here, we seem to think we are smarter than nature.
You know that the total value of real estate in Madison is less than the cost of flood protection for Madison? So what makes more sense? Should you have the residents move to Esparto and get free homes (taxpayer financed), or should you spend the taxpayer money on a flood solution? In the midwest, they move the towns to deal with the flood threat. Out here, we seem to think we are smarter than nature.
You know that the total value of real estate in Madison is less than the cost of flood protection for Madison? So what makes more sense? Should you have the residents move to Esparto and get free homes (taxpayer financed), or should you spend the taxpayer money on a flood solution? In the midwest, they move the towns to deal with the flood threat. Out here, we seem to think we are smarter than nature.
Helen Thomson, Matt Rexroad and Mike Mcgowan sold out to the state so Yolo County could get its hands on the $30 million for the new jail. What’s a Walmart in town worth. Or a halfway house for Pedophiles – that should bring in some cash. Ask Yourselves what price would you put on your quality of life. All the cities in the county said NO- Not in our town yet the three Supervisors who are from those very cities that said no – jammed it into Madison even though there was no support for it.
The Supervisors are supposed to represent all of Yolo County – not just there districts. Call it NIMBYism if you want but if its not good enough for you district – why force it into someone else’s. Helen Thomson represents only herself and I will vote to recall her – just based on her double standard she showed in this one subject.
Helen Thomson, Matt Rexroad and Mike Mcgowan sold out to the state so Yolo County could get its hands on the $30 million for the new jail. What’s a Walmart in town worth. Or a halfway house for Pedophiles – that should bring in some cash. Ask Yourselves what price would you put on your quality of life. All the cities in the county said NO- Not in our town yet the three Supervisors who are from those very cities that said no – jammed it into Madison even though there was no support for it.
The Supervisors are supposed to represent all of Yolo County – not just there districts. Call it NIMBYism if you want but if its not good enough for you district – why force it into someone else’s. Helen Thomson represents only herself and I will vote to recall her – just based on her double standard she showed in this one subject.
Helen Thomson, Matt Rexroad and Mike Mcgowan sold out to the state so Yolo County could get its hands on the $30 million for the new jail. What’s a Walmart in town worth. Or a halfway house for Pedophiles – that should bring in some cash. Ask Yourselves what price would you put on your quality of life. All the cities in the county said NO- Not in our town yet the three Supervisors who are from those very cities that said no – jammed it into Madison even though there was no support for it.
The Supervisors are supposed to represent all of Yolo County – not just there districts. Call it NIMBYism if you want but if its not good enough for you district – why force it into someone else’s. Helen Thomson represents only herself and I will vote to recall her – just based on her double standard she showed in this one subject.
Helen Thomson, Matt Rexroad and Mike Mcgowan sold out to the state so Yolo County could get its hands on the $30 million for the new jail. What’s a Walmart in town worth. Or a halfway house for Pedophiles – that should bring in some cash. Ask Yourselves what price would you put on your quality of life. All the cities in the county said NO- Not in our town yet the three Supervisors who are from those very cities that said no – jammed it into Madison even though there was no support for it.
The Supervisors are supposed to represent all of Yolo County – not just there districts. Call it NIMBYism if you want but if its not good enough for you district – why force it into someone else’s. Helen Thomson represents only herself and I will vote to recall her – just based on her double standard she showed in this one subject.
“Supervisor Matt Rexroad noticed it too. He called it proof of NIMBYism. I think a certain degree of that is understandable.”
DPD: This literally reads as though you are a shill for Max Rexroad. He makes his statement and you say you find it “understandable.” ?! Were you taking dictation?
“Supervisor Matt Rexroad noticed it too. He called it proof of NIMBYism. I think a certain degree of that is understandable.”
DPD: This literally reads as though you are a shill for Max Rexroad. He makes his statement and you say you find it “understandable.” ?! Were you taking dictation?
“Supervisor Matt Rexroad noticed it too. He called it proof of NIMBYism. I think a certain degree of that is understandable.”
DPD: This literally reads as though you are a shill for Max Rexroad. He makes his statement and you say you find it “understandable.” ?! Were you taking dictation?
“Supervisor Matt Rexroad noticed it too. He called it proof of NIMBYism. I think a certain degree of that is understandable.”
DPD: This literally reads as though you are a shill for Max Rexroad. He makes his statement and you say you find it “understandable.” ?! Were you taking dictation?
I was defending NIMBYism not Rexroad.
I was defending NIMBYism not Rexroad.
I was defending NIMBYism not Rexroad.
I was defending NIMBYism not Rexroad.
DPD: A bit of editing before you hit the “send” button would have prevented that need for clarification…
DPD: A bit of editing before you hit the “send” button would have prevented that need for clarification…
DPD: A bit of editing before you hit the “send” button would have prevented that need for clarification…
DPD: A bit of editing before you hit the “send” button would have prevented that need for clarification…
The arguments put forth by the Madison folks seem to contradict each other and so they cancel each out. One person stands up and says that the site is unusable for anything except farming as it floods often. The next person stands up and says that Madison had a plan to develop the site with commercial and industry, something that they feel would truly benefit the town of Madison. What they are really saying is that they want the site to be developed, but not with this facility. I hope that they get their arguments organized as they move forward.
The arguments put forth by the Madison folks seem to contradict each other and so they cancel each out. One person stands up and says that the site is unusable for anything except farming as it floods often. The next person stands up and says that Madison had a plan to develop the site with commercial and industry, something that they feel would truly benefit the town of Madison. What they are really saying is that they want the site to be developed, but not with this facility. I hope that they get their arguments organized as they move forward.
The arguments put forth by the Madison folks seem to contradict each other and so they cancel each out. One person stands up and says that the site is unusable for anything except farming as it floods often. The next person stands up and says that Madison had a plan to develop the site with commercial and industry, something that they feel would truly benefit the town of Madison. What they are really saying is that they want the site to be developed, but not with this facility. I hope that they get their arguments organized as they move forward.
The arguments put forth by the Madison folks seem to contradict each other and so they cancel each out. One person stands up and says that the site is unusable for anything except farming as it floods often. The next person stands up and says that Madison had a plan to develop the site with commercial and industry, something that they feel would truly benefit the town of Madison. What they are really saying is that they want the site to be developed, but not with this facility. I hope that they get their arguments organized as they move forward.
In light of DPD’s most recent article, I would say the folks in Madison are looking pretty prescient. There is something to be said for NIMBYism! Self interest sometimes has to do with looking out for the community’s best interest. Good for Madison – and shame on the Bd of Sups for being so naive, stupid, and/or venal. Matt Rexroad now has to eat his words! And I’m a registered Republican by the way!
In light of DPD’s most recent article, I would say the folks in Madison are looking pretty prescient. There is something to be said for NIMBYism! Self interest sometimes has to do with looking out for the community’s best interest. Good for Madison – and shame on the Bd of Sups for being so naive, stupid, and/or venal. Matt Rexroad now has to eat his words! And I’m a registered Republican by the way!
In light of DPD’s most recent article, I would say the folks in Madison are looking pretty prescient. There is something to be said for NIMBYism! Self interest sometimes has to do with looking out for the community’s best interest. Good for Madison – and shame on the Bd of Sups for being so naive, stupid, and/or venal. Matt Rexroad now has to eat his words! And I’m a registered Republican by the way!
In light of DPD’s most recent article, I would say the folks in Madison are looking pretty prescient. There is something to be said for NIMBYism! Self interest sometimes has to do with looking out for the community’s best interest. Good for Madison – and shame on the Bd of Sups for being so naive, stupid, and/or venal. Matt Rexroad now has to eat his words! And I’m a registered Republican by the way!
Mariko Yamada’s comments are always interesting. Why? Because she speaks from both sides of her mouth. Or as my ancestors would say, “with a forked tongue”.
Mariko Yamada’s comments are always interesting. Why? Because she speaks from both sides of her mouth. Or as my ancestors would say, “with a forked tongue”.
Mariko Yamada’s comments are always interesting. Why? Because she speaks from both sides of her mouth. Or as my ancestors would say, “with a forked tongue”.
Mariko Yamada’s comments are always interesting. Why? Because she speaks from both sides of her mouth. Or as my ancestors would say, “with a forked tongue”.
In the first place, I question how “rural” Madison is. Most Davis residents couldn’t find it with a map. It’s a small urban development with what I would guess would be between 50-100 houses, with a convenience store, a few businesses and the migrant camp adjacent to it. It’s prone to flooding. Yet the same “rural” residents eagerly greeted the County’s general plan intention to build more houses there. Of course no one anticipated the re-entry facility. Still, they got what they wanted which was more development and the threats? They’re just that. Threats. They’re not going to recall anyone. They may file a lawsuit. Big deal. They’ll probably get a well known Davis attorney who likes to file just this sort of suit so the government entity involved will pay his time and he gets a paycheck even though he never wins.
In the first place, I question how “rural” Madison is. Most Davis residents couldn’t find it with a map. It’s a small urban development with what I would guess would be between 50-100 houses, with a convenience store, a few businesses and the migrant camp adjacent to it. It’s prone to flooding. Yet the same “rural” residents eagerly greeted the County’s general plan intention to build more houses there. Of course no one anticipated the re-entry facility. Still, they got what they wanted which was more development and the threats? They’re just that. Threats. They’re not going to recall anyone. They may file a lawsuit. Big deal. They’ll probably get a well known Davis attorney who likes to file just this sort of suit so the government entity involved will pay his time and he gets a paycheck even though he never wins.
In the first place, I question how “rural” Madison is. Most Davis residents couldn’t find it with a map. It’s a small urban development with what I would guess would be between 50-100 houses, with a convenience store, a few businesses and the migrant camp adjacent to it. It’s prone to flooding. Yet the same “rural” residents eagerly greeted the County’s general plan intention to build more houses there. Of course no one anticipated the re-entry facility. Still, they got what they wanted which was more development and the threats? They’re just that. Threats. They’re not going to recall anyone. They may file a lawsuit. Big deal. They’ll probably get a well known Davis attorney who likes to file just this sort of suit so the government entity involved will pay his time and he gets a paycheck even though he never wins.
In the first place, I question how “rural” Madison is. Most Davis residents couldn’t find it with a map. It’s a small urban development with what I would guess would be between 50-100 houses, with a convenience store, a few businesses and the migrant camp adjacent to it. It’s prone to flooding. Yet the same “rural” residents eagerly greeted the County’s general plan intention to build more houses there. Of course no one anticipated the re-entry facility. Still, they got what they wanted which was more development and the threats? They’re just that. Threats. They’re not going to recall anyone. They may file a lawsuit. Big deal. They’ll probably get a well known Davis attorney who likes to file just this sort of suit so the government entity involved will pay his time and he gets a paycheck even though he never wins.