Letter to President Napolitano and Chancellor Hexter From Hart Hall Chairs and DirectorsGiven the recent presidential election results and the selected cabinet and transition team, we urgently call upon President Napolitano and Chancellor Hexter to declare our UCD campus, and the UC system by extension, a sanctuary campus. That is to say, a campus that grants permanent protection, dignity, and respect for all immigrants. This will make the UC system one that stands with vulnerable student populations and their family members against unfair deportation, investigation, or other forms of intimidation.
We urgently call on President Napolitano and Chancellor Hexter to be in solidarity with our various students, staff, and faculty communities that feel under direct threat by the president elect’s stated intentions to persecute those of different races, nationalities, and religions.
We call on President Napolitano and Interim Chancellor Hexter to send a strong message condemning all forms of bigotry, bullying, and harassment. You must reaffirm UCD campus’ and the UC system’s commitment to nondiscrimination regardless of race, color, creed, religion, national or ethnic origin, sex, gender, age, sexual orientation, gender identity and expression, disability, immigration status, socioeconomic status, or social, political, and economic philosophy. Now is the time to send a clear message that our campuses will be a “zero tolerance zone” and will take any measures to make our campus safer for diverse communities, and support protections against the persecution and bigotry toward Muslims, LGBTQIA people, African Americans, Native Americans, Asian Americans, Mexicans and Latinos/as, immigrants, women, sexual assault victims, and people with disabilities, and will not participate in any attempt to deny our students their right to an education in a dignified future.
Finally, we call on you, President Napolitano and Chancellor Hexter, to send a strong message reaffirming the University’s commitment to academic freedom, and to its support, now more than ever, of ethnic studies departments, the humanities, and courses that challenge bigotry, racial discrimination, and white supremacy.
Maxine Craig, Director of Gender, Sexuality and Women’s Studies
Robert Irwin, Chair of Cultural Studies Graduate Group
Carlos Jackson, Chair of Chicana/o Studies
Richard Kim, Chair of Asian American Studies
Nicelma King, Chair of African American and African Studies
Zoila Mendoza, Chair of Native American Studies
Julie Sze, Chair of American Studies
That would be a dumb move for UC Davis.
Are they willing to take a chance on losing federal funding, federal infrastructure and research grants, are the students ready to pay higher tuition fees all in order to protect illegals with criminal records?
Again – your premise is flawed you never answered the point yesterday and your point is even more flawed here. For UCD the biggest issue is DACA where students under the dream act are imperiled and none of those have criminal records.
You’re not answering the question either. How will UC Davis and the city of Davis replace the lost federal funds if they decide to adopt or remain in sanctuary status?
I don’t know – but there are a lot of variables here. We don’t even know how much funding comes from the federal government? Does UCD get any? The programs listed that get funded federally in Davis might go away under the new admin any way. Do you even care if CDBG funding goes away?
Well with just a quick search here’s just a few examples of federal funding that UC Davis received:
https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/uc-davis-receives-760-million-sponsored-research-funding/
https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/uc-davis-receives-25m-federal-funding-west-village-renewable-energy-project
http://www.dailydemocrat.com/article/NI/20161116/NEWS/161119889
BP wrote:
> Awards from the federal government topped the list
> for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2016, totaling $391 million.
With ~66,000 people in town it would only take a modest parcel tax of $5,924 per person (less than $24K for a family of four) to make up the difference and help those that have total disregard for out immigration laws.
David wrote:
> none of those have criminal records.
aka none of them have been “caught” (and convicted of) driving without a license, working without paying taxes, driving around with loaded guns or breaking any other laws…
Who’s saying DACA students will be deported if they don’t have criminal records?
Just as you haven’t been caught doing those things either
David wrote:
> Just as you haven’t been caught doing those things either
I’m wondering if David is aware that most (almost all) “legal” residents get drivers licenses before driving, have social security numbers and pay taxes when working and legally buy guns while most (almost all) “illegal aliens” drive without a license, work without paying taxes and if they get a gun buy it without a background check…
Until this year, undocumented immigrants couldn’t get drivers licenses in California. And I seem to recall that most conservatives opposed them being allowed to get them. Kind of a Catch-22 in terms of being able to avoid driving without a license.
Don wrote:
> Until this year, undocumented immigrants couldn’t
> get drivers licenses in California.
It has been almost TWO (2) full years since the DMV started giving drivers licenses to illegals and the most recent numbers I saw was that LESS than 10% of the estimated illegals in the state have applied for one.
http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/ab-60-drivers-license.php
My problem is not with people who come here to work but with the current “wink/nod” system where citizens (of all races) get in trouble for driving without a drivers license, working without paying taxes and have to pay out of state tuition if they are not a legal resident while the “illegal/undocumented” get a free pass from the people that don’t have the guts to stand up and change the laws and make them apply equally to all people in the state.
How will UCD deal with any sanctions from the Feds? I don’t know and I don’t care. Trumps attacks on immigrants must be opposed by decent and humane people everywhere. Would you turn in Anne Frank or risk reprisal? I’ll risk reprisal.
Why do you have a problem with illegals who commit crimes being deported? Now I agree that the level of the crimes they have or will commit before they’re eligible for deportation has to be determined.
I answered your question but you haven’t answered mine – what makes you believe that those deported will be limited to those who committed crimes?
Hitler didn’t kill 6 million Jews all at once. It started incrementally with signs in shop windows, boycotts, armbands then targeted taxes and restrictions on working, moving people to ghettos and finally to the rail station and deportation to death camps.
Each incremental step of oppression under Trump must be opposed. Just as people resisted by sheltering Anne Frank or resisted in other ways as did people like Schiendler, Wallenburg or Muriel Gardiner, we must all stand up and oppose Trump’s racist and xenophobic policies however we can. I applaud the letter writers for speaking up for those who can’t speak for themselves.
7:16 am and already an example of Godwin’s Law for today.
It’s important to trivialise the Holocaust at every opportunity.
Hitler reference!
It is you three who trivialize my references to Hitler. I make them earnestly. You all have no idea how Trump’s hateful campaign will manifest itself. That he advocated water boarding and killing the families of terrorists or said he wants to deport millions seems to cause you, who feel safe, to dismiss the seriousness of the forces that could now be unleashed upon society. The lack of concern reminds me of what Hannah Arendt referred to as “The banality of evil.”
Misanthrop wrote:
> That he advocated water boarding and killing the families of terrorists
Are you aware that Bush and Obama also water boarded guys and killed the families of terrorists? Did you ever compare them to Hitler?
https://thinkprogress.org/after-7-years-obama-finally-announces-the-number-of-people-killed-in-drone-strikes-9f0b751c430e#.8q09g84pu
” You all have no idea how Trump’s hateful campaign will manifest itself.” That is correct though the corollary is that you don’t know either. As noted above Obama has killed both US citizens and foreigners with no due process whatsoever. Also of note is that just about every other country deports illegal migrants. Can you name another country with 11M illegals? Are they all hitleresque?
As a Jew who had a good percentage of the family origin snuffed by Hitler, I’ll damn well say you are making a ridiculous comparison. In fact, if you have the guts to come out from behind your cowardly mask of anonymity, I’ll place you a $1000 bet that in eight years not one person of race, national origin or sexual identity will have been snuffed out in a Trump gas chamber. Care to take that bet? No, I didn’t think so . . .
Now STOP!
I agree – the federal government has gone away from the gas chamber (as of 1988) as the method of execution. It does appear that there are five states that still allow for death by gas chamber.
I too lost many distant and not so distant relatives in the 40’s Allen, and as a member of the tribe I’m saddened that you seem to miss the parallels between 1932 and 2016. It struck me when a kid asked if her aunt was going to need to leave the country. I began thinking about what it felt like when Hitler was elected. How some were worried and others not so much. Maybe they won’t use gas chambers but I fear that lots of people are going to die or be tortured. I was raised to believe that the never again mantra means that we must stand up against hate in its many forms because eventually the haters will turn on the Jews. You are lucky to feel so complacent. I am not of that mindset. About that bet, how about $1000 dollars that domestic anti-Semitic attacks and anti-muslim attacks and anti-mexican attacks increase in the next four years? Lets go two out of three Allen. The loser can donate the money to the charity of the winners choice.
So much for Misanthrop stopping.
Barack Palin, you have 21 posts on this story. You shouldn’t be complaining about others not stopping.
How many hyped up over hysterical Hitler posts do I have?
My confidence in the Trump administration or the incoming Congress making that determination in a fair or humane manner is zero.
Yes, we’re well aware of where you stand Don.
“are the students ready to pay higher tuition fees all in order to protect illegals with criminal records?”
You have repeated this question several times. For me, it is the wrong question. The question for me is “are the students ready to pay higher tuition fees all in order to protect their innocent colleagues who happen to be of another religion, of a different skin tone , from a country in which terrorism has occurred , or whose parents brought them here undocumented long before they would have and any say in the decision ?
After the election results were announced, although in shock, I decided to wait and see which president elect would show up. The one who made multiple egregious statements as part of a campaign strategy or the one who his handlers repeatedly convinced to “walk back” his hate speech. Unfortunately, with the appointments of Bannon ( racist, misogynist) , Sessions ( racist) and Flynn ( who purports that Islam is a political philosophy, not a religion )we are clearly seeing who is showing up and it does not bode well for the basic principles of our country.
I don’t know about the students, but I am willing to make a large contribution if the campus were to declare itself a sanctuary campus just as I will support the city for maintenance of our status as a sanctuary city if need be.
Any contribution you’re willing to make is a drop in the bucket for what will/could be lost.
No true, just more lies being promulgated by the left where the true hate is coming from.
They’re not lies.
Plenty of evidence of Bannon’s racism and misogyny, so I won’t bother to repost those. Sessions was denied a federal judgeship over racist comments in the 1980’s.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/10-things-to-know-about-sen-jeff-sessions-donald-trumps-pick-for-attorney-general/
Don wrote:
> Sessions was denied a federal judgeship over racist comments in the 1980’s.
So if someone did something idiotic in the 80’s it it OK to call them an “idiot” in every post to the Vanguard? How about if someone lied to the FBI about e-mails can we call then a ‘liar” in every post?
> Sessions used the n-word and joked about the Ku Klux Klan
I heard an interview with Snoop Dogg where he (while smoking a joint) used the n-word and joked about the Ku Klux Klan. Does that make him a racist (or is it OK since he does not have right of center views)?
I don’t think Snoop Dogg should be Attorney General. Could you stop making pointless analogies and asking questions that amount to absurd reductionism?
If Sessions is Trump’s choice, he should defend or explain those comments during the hearings. I’m sure it’ll come up. There was a time when he was considered extreme. Now, with this administration, he’s mainstream. That tells us all something.
Maybe he’s “evolved”?
I agree that it’s been over three decades since those incidents that cost him a federal judgeship, so he should be given an opportunity to explain his views on racial issues and how they might inform his tenure as attorney general. Plenty of Southern politicians have, in fact, evolved in their views. I assume that the Democratic party members of the Judiciary Committee will grill him on it.
“So if someone did something idiotic in the 80’s it it OK to call them an “idiot” in every post to the Vanguard?”
No one is saying that any of these appointees are “idiots” I am saying and maintaining that in their own words they have demonstrated their racist and misogynistic mind sets. And, no, I do not see that anything that any of them has done recently would lead me to believe that they have changed their minds through the years.
“Does that make him a racist ?”
It might or might not depending on what he actually said and the context in which he said it. I think it is important to note that anyone, not just whites, can have a racist mind set. My very swarthy ex husband has evolved over time into one of the most racist individuals I know. Go figure. Racism, like religious discrimination, misogyny and hate does not belong to any single group.
That’s assuming that Trump could do anything about research grants. I doubt it.
We’re talking about federal research grants. I’ll bet the president has a lot of input on where he doesn’t want that money to go.
Not really. Unless he decides to micromanage the NSF.
If you understand how such grants are awarded, you’d know it’s unlikely the president has much say on it.
BP
“Any contribution you’re willing to make is a drop in the bucket for what will/could be lost.”
Then you should join me. That is the whole point of collective rather than just individual action.
“No true, just more lies being promulgated by the left where the true hate is coming from.”
Absolutely true using only their own words or those that they have facilitated publication of. Sessions is on record as calling both the NAACP and the Southern Christian Conference “unAmerican and communist”. You can wiggle around the fact that he was not using the “n word” all you like, the meaning is clear.
As for Bannon, I already pointed out his backing of racist and antiSemitic articles complete with references.
Not a chance, I’m totally against sanctuary city status and think all immigrants should go through the proper legal channels to come here.
SOD estimated that each and every person in Davis (including children) would have to come up with $5924 each and every year just to cover the lost federal funding going towards UC Davis.
Tia wrote:
> with the appointments of Bannon ( racist, misogynist)
Since the site Bannon worked for posted large numbers of positive articles by (and about) people of color and woman it seems like every man (and probably woman) who did not vote for Obama “and” Hillary will be branded a “racist, misogynist”…
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Tia,
You are the dream of marketers. You make decisions based on origin stories so perhaps you read all that stuff about the coffee coming from a small village nestled in the mountains where virtuous peasants, who never do anything bad, pick them in the light of the harvest moon?
What if none of your narrative was true? What is they are not innocent but in fact have committed crimes? What if they are from the sizable number of people who overstay their visas? What then?
quielo
“You make decisions based on origin stories”
What in the world are you talking about ? I make no decisions at all based on “origin stories”. I avoid the belief in the veracity of origin stories to be used as the basis of decision making so much that I do not even adhere to the origin stories of any of the world religions.
What I do believe is that no one who is here due to either economic oppression, threat of violence, or lack of opportunity in their own country should be turned away as long as they are making a positive contribution to our country. So if they are working especially filling jobs that our own citizens will not take, paying taxes, promoting the education of their children and obeying the laws, I say let them come. This would be based on fact, not origin.
“What if none of your narrative was true? What is they are not innocent but in fact have committed crimes?”
I don’t have a narrative, so again I do not understand your point. As I have previously stated a number of times, I have no problem at all with deporting of those who have committed serious or violent crimes to their homelands. I do object to the forcible deportation of those who are law abiding and contributing.
Good Morning Tia
Something for your ears,eyes and your soul
Have a nice Friday
Jerry
Lesson from California’s Students: ‘WE Make The Crisis’
by Will Parrish, March 3, 2010
http://Lesson from California’s Students: ‘WE Make The Crisis’ by Will Parrish, March 3, 2010
http://theava.com/archives/4678
Richard Blum: Godzilla Regent
by Will Parrish, March 17, 2010
http://theava.com/archives/5104
Disaster Capitalist University
http://theava.com/archives/4337
South of Davis
In her statements Tia just repeating US. Congressman John Garamendi and other left wingers’ i “Polly wants a cracker,Polly wants a cracker .kra ,kra
:Congressman John Garamendi
November 11 at 5:41pm
Today on CNN with Wolf Blitzer, I made something clear: one conciliatory speech won’t make up for the fact that President-Elect Trump spent 15 months campaigning on racism and misogyny. That racism and misogyny is now causing overt, incidents of racist and sexist bullying in our schools–with Trump’s win used as justification.
Our children listen to how we behave. I call on the President-Elect to repudiate racism and misogyny so all our children can feel safe again.
http://garamendi.house.gov/
Congressman Garamendi said:
> I call on the President-Elect to repudiate racism and
> misogyny so all our children can feel safe again.
I also hope that we can go back to the world of a week and a half ago when there was no racism, and misogyny all kids felt safe at school…
South of Davis
“I also hope that we can go back to the world of a week and a half ago when there was no racism, and misogyny all kids felt safe at school…”
So are you supporting the public elevation of the worst that already exists in our society by our president elect ? Because it certainly sounds like you are ok with that.
I am surprised that the UC hasn’t already done this. The CSU has, and based on comments from my academic friends, many other campuses have. I am trying to get a list – I will post again if I find one.
Here is an article on the CSU:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-cal-state-undocumented-students-ln-20161116-story.html
If federal funds and grants end up being witheld from sanctuary campuses it sure will be great for the funding of other institutions who don’t go that route.
The unethical profiting off the ethical isn’t exactly something new in the universe. It certainly isn’t an argument to behave badly. It’s an argument to pressure the government to do better.
“unethical profiting off the ethical” I don’t agree with that characterization. The Federal Government has the responsibility to implement immigration policy. The policy is controlled by congress so I don’t believe you can describe them carrying out their mandate as being unethical.
Surely you can see that Congress can pass unethical laws, and has in the past passed unethical laws. The Jim Crow laws would just be one among many examples.
Roberta, you have a factual error where you wrote,
Jim Crow laws were State and local… period. See… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws
‘Wanna take another swing at your argument, that had a false premise? Strike one…
Congress can pass unethical laws – right?
hpierce, I gave an example of state legislatures passing unethical laws rather than federal legislatures, yes, but my argument still holds. Is it your contention that the U.S. Congress has never passed an unethical law?
I highlighted what you wrote Roberta… I pointed out, as stated by you, your facts were wrong… so, just point out a case where Congress passed an unethical law, and your argument is restored. Wasn’t Jim Crow laws, as you stated… patently untrue…
Weak argument to not admit an error of fact, then try to turn it around by trying to make me prove the rest of your posit was factually wrong… I can think of many examples of Congress passing what now seem as unethical laws… but, will not help someone who ‘agressively’ posits one thing, with deeply flawed facts… am just funny that way…
Guess you are just one of those folk who can’t admit an error, or choose to “make up ‘facts'” to support their view. There is probably a place for you in the new administration…
” Is it your contention that the U.S. Congress has never passed an unethical law?”. I believe you are confused about the meaning of “unethical”. I will use it according to the definition “lacking moral principles; unwilling to adhere to proper rules of conduct.” Does it lack moral principles to define an immigration policy?
hpierce, the real question here is whether you are actually interested in finding an answer. When you make a big stink about the fact that I cited an example of an unethical state law rather than an unethical federal law, that makes me think you are just interested in quibbling or scoring points rather than finding an answer. However, I have no interest in quibbling with your or with scoring points. Yes, I could cite unethical federal laws. I think that both DADT and DOMA were unethical federal laws, for example.
I wasn’t trying to “to turn it around by trying to make me prove the rest of your posit was factually wrong.” I was trying to find out whether you actually believed what you were arguing, since (as I said before) I am not interested in quibbling or scoring points. And since you admit that you “can think of many examples of Congress passing what now seem as unethical laws,” then I know that you are just arguing with me for the sake of arguing.
However, if it makes you feel better – you are right, the Jim Crow laws were not federal laws. But I already admitted that above, so I am not sure what else you want from me.
The point remains – the point I was making – that the mere passing of a law does not magically make it ethical.
quielo, trust me, I know what “ethical” means, but I will spare you the multi-day lecture that I deliver to my undergraduates on this topic. More to the point, you ask, “Does it lack moral principles to define an immigration policy?” That is a complicated question about whether a country has a right to control who enters and who doesn’t. But let’s set that aside. Let’s assume that a country does have a right to control who enters and who doesn’t. There can still be policies that are ethical and those that are not. Let me give an extreme example just to illustrate the point – a policy that flatly refused to allow immigration from people of a particular race (however you want to define race) would be unethical.
Analogously, as a professor I have the right to set the grading policies for the classes I teach. But if I based grades on people’s race, gender, or religion, that would be unethical.
No, Roberta… am interested (primarily) in facts and ‘truth’… nothing more, nothing less…
Will disengage from this… you have prety much proved ny assertion
But it’s still a possible ramification that should be considered before any action is ever taken. How many will lose their jobs due to lost federal funding. Will the campus have to raise tuitions in order to make up for the funding shortfall? How will it affect research at UC Davis and what will be the trickle down loss to the community?
UC has the Undocumented Center and even gives the kids free T shirts (while the parents of the legal kids that didn’t get in to UC keep paying CA taxes plus pay $50K+ a year for out of state tuition, room and board and travel to send their kids to U0fO, ASU, and CU):
http://undocumented.ucdavis.edu/about/index.html
You’re talking about t-shirts? Really?
USC as well
This a bit humorous… the chancellor could just direct staff to do a “don’t ask, don’t tell” thing… problem solved…
But, in Davis (and, apparently, UC), folk seek “certification”…
The City council could direct the CM to do the “DADT” thing, but they also seem to “need” ‘certification’… strange…
Instead, they went for “certification” w/o a vote of the people…
I am curious what would happen if for example 15,000,000 illegal immigrants would pour into the City of Davis seeking safe place to hide because of fear which was crated by election’s losers propaganda
Jerry, I’m positive that all our local bleeding heart liberals would open their homes and each take in a family or two.
quielo
“You make decisions based on origin stories”
What in the world are you talking about ? I make no decisions at all based on “origin stories”. I avoid the belief in the veracity of origin stories to be used as the basis of decision making so much that I do not even adhere to the origin stories of any of the world religions.
What I do believe is that no one who is here due to either economic oppression, threat of violence, or lack of opportunity in their own country should be turned away as long as they are making a positive contribution to our country. So if they are working especially filling jobs that our own citizens will not take, paying taxes, promoting the education of their children and obeying the laws, I say let them come. This would be based on fact, not origin.
“What if none of your narrative was true? What is they are not innocent but in fact have committed crimes?”
I don’t have a narrative, so again I do not understand your point. As I have previously stated a number of times, I have no problem at all with deporting of those who have committed serious or violent crimes to their homelands. I do object to the forcible deportation of those who are law abiding and contributing.
Barack Palin
“I’m positive that all our local bleeding heart liberals would open their homes and each take in a family or two.”
Can’t speak for other “bleeding hearts” but we have already decided that this was an option for us with regard to Syrian refugees. I think we might need to have the conversation again with regard to other groups.
“I am curious what would happen if for example 15,000,000 illegal immigrants would pour into the City of Davis…”
I want the porta-potty concession.
Can I invest, too?
Hello, partner. We should get some catering trucks too!
Maybe we can work with the local bicycle shops as co-investors, to minimize the traffic congestion, as well!
But I think our business model should only assume 0.5 million… too many other Cities that have already gained “certification”…
Barak
Ya right. I would like to see author of this article in action.
“Maybe we can work with the local bicycle shops as co-investors, to minimize the traffic congestion, as well!”
I worked on a video shoot where the craft services tables were on rickshaw type contraptions so they could get them through narrow streets. I worked well!
i think the turkeys will not last saving us 20k
What would happen is that would not work. But it doesn’t need to because you have bigger cities like SF, LA, NY and others that do have capacity.
Where, living on the streets?
What do you expect to happen if 15 million people are displaced? They all stay in luxury hotels?
So you’re saying these cities and others have room for illegals to live on their streets?
What I’m saying is that if 15 million are uprooted it would be a huge humanitarian crisis.
They’re already here, living somewhere.
15 million aren’t going to get uprooted. Quit with the fake hysteria.
It was his hypothetical, not mine
David
I think that left wing very wealthy politicians many of them millionaires which are pushing for sanctuaries should publicly declare that they will contribute their wealth to the cause . They should lead by example instead of screaming and slandering President elect . Tax payers regardless of their political orientation will raise hell when they see that the sanctuaries for millions of illegals are affecting their income and disturbing their normal life . I wondering also if Napolitano will be advising Trump on Deportation .She is professional in this matter as we know . Does not matter what is your opinion about Trump .At least he is not hypocrite like Obama and Napolitano in regards to deportation of illegals . Obama’s and Napolitano’s deportation train was and is very long and miserable for many families .
“f 15 million are uprooted” it would certainly help with housing affordability.
But cardboard prices would go through the roof.
I don’t think this is an outrageous request in any way. I agree that UCD funds should not be used to enforce immigration laws or that UCD police or other staff inquire about student’s immigration status for the purpose of enforcing immigration laws. That’s all they are asking for.
No… the letter writers want it by “de jure”, not “de facto”… that need to make it by “de jure” is a bit stupid, in my mind… I have no problem with “de facto”, and expressed this in a different way, earlier.
Suspect it is a bunch of Lib Art folk who want to tout “certification”, and build their ‘creds’, and damn the torpedoes so they can ‘have their 15 minutes of fame’… the telling passage,
The rest of the missive, (except an “ad” at the end to increase their funding as faculty/staff), I really take no significant exception to… This “credential” thing is what I object to…
Please note that if successful this would be done by fiat, not by vote, nor demonstrable support from the UCD nor system Academic Senate, much less not all UCD nor UC employees, nor the public… just a bunch of academics/administrators of one building on campus, and a bunch of folk on this blog. So much for democracy and/or representative governance…
Since the University doesn’t have the power to pass a law (de jure), it would be an expressed policy (de facto).
A sanctuary city is a city that has adopted a policy of proctecting illegal aliens by not prosecuting them solely for violating federal immigration laws. It can be an official law or policy or just observed in practice. It generally applies to cities that don’t use municipal fund or resources to enforce national immigration laws and usually forbid police or municipal employees to inquire about a person’s immigration status. (Ref. Wikipedia)
I don’t think that this is an outrageous request. I support UCD making it a de facto policy that staff and faculty, including UCD police, will not inquire about a student’s immigration status, or, if determined for some other reason (i.e. financial aid), will not do anything about it to enforce immigration laws.
BP – Just want to point out that you didn’t answer my question yesterday or today and yet I answered your question. What makes you believe that only people with criminal records will be deported under a Trump administration?
David
According what Trump statement during the interview I watched . Wall and people with criminal record is the priority . Trump stated also that other illegals are good people and decision would be made in regards to good people after border would be secured and people with criminal record would be deported or incarcerate. Trump most likely make probably decision in next term if he run and win what to do with “good illegals ” . Trump is businessman and he is not stupid to hurt economy by deporting right away hard working illegals on the fields , construction and other places. He would bait himself , His priority is to get jobs for Americans who lost jobs because businesses were moved oversee . Good illegals most likely would be pardoned but wall and fenced would make a lot harder for new illegals to cross the border . This what I understood from the interview with Trump .
I did not see or hear anything from Trump where he said that people needed to be scrutinized or deported based solely on their race. He did advocate for increased scrutiny of muslim immigrants, and that the Mexican illegal criminals need to be deported.
It is a pretty big stretch to say that because he said muslims need to be thoroughly vetted before being allowed to enter the country and all criminal illegals who he feels are primarily from Mexico need to be deported, that this means everyone who is not a white christian will not be allowed in the country and those here will be rounded up.
The anti-Trump crowd loses credibility when it does this. Race baiting may work for some, but most people see it for what it is.
Trump won because people wanted change. Bernie beat Hillary in both Wisconsin and Michigan primaries. A socialist won 22 states in the Democratic primaries. The same people that elected Obama twice in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, and Pennsylvania just elected Trump. Democratic populists wanted Sanders and the Democratic establishment was seen as rigging the primary and pissed a lot of people off. There were 90,000 people in Michigan who refused to vote for either presidential candidate and left that part of their ballot blank when they voted. Hillary lost by 11,000 votes.
What does this have to do with a proposed de facto policy that UCD staff will not facilitate the enforcement of immigration laws, that no UCD funds will be expended to enforce proposed laws, which would include the registration of Muslims and deportation of undocumented students enrolled at UCD?
In their letter they stated:
This seems pretty clear to me that they feel Trump will persecute people based on race, religion and nationality. To state it as simply as possible there was never anything said about persecuting people based on race. There was something said about vetting muslims before they enter the country. There was something said about deporting criminal Mexicans. Despite all the hyperbole I really don’t think we will see UC storm troopers rounding up every one who appears to be non-white, muslim, or speaks with a foreign accent and demanding to see their papers. UC already has a very strong commitment to nondiscrimination.
Depends on how you view this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter/
There’s also this: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/01/hoist-it-high-and-proud-the-confederate-flag-proclaims-a-glorious-heritage/
Wes C wrote:
> The anti-Trump crowd loses credibility when it does this.
> Race baiting may work for some, but most people see it for what it is.
It seems to me that the “race baiting” folks on the keep saying Trump (and his cabinet) are “racists” are exactly the same as the “birther” group on the right that keep saying Obama is a “foreigner” who was not born in America.
I just heard an interview where Bannon says he is not a racist, but just like the birthers didn’t care what Obama or anyone else “said” because they “knew” he was born in Kenya I’m sure that many (including some people that post here) are sure he is lying because the “know” everyone who voted for Trump (that includes millions of people of color) are “racists”…
You are neglecting the fact that those of us who believe that the president elect is either a racist himself or pandering to racists are using his own words.
1) He is on tape claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective because he was Mexican. When the actual birth place of Judge Curiel was pointed out to him, he altered his statement to assert that Judge Curiel could not be objective because of his Mexican heritage. I would love to hear what other interpretation than racism one could apply to this assertion.
2) He did not just say that immigrant Muslim should be vetted. During an interview on November 20, 2015 when asked by an NBC reporter whether all Muslims in the country should have to register, he applied that he would certainly implement that. Again, I would be very interested in understanding how anyone could consider this anything other than religious discrimination.
So much for the false equivalency to birtherism. These are his own words, not a false premise repeated often enough to be believed despite the lack of substantiation.
Tia wrote:
> He is on tape He is on tape claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective because he was Mexican..
He is NOT on tape “claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective because he was Mexican” he is on tape claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective based on his public statements.
If I make a statement on tape that Tia Will will not be objective on the committee to replace the Gandhi statue with a Trump statue it is not due to my anti white racist views or have anything to do with Tia’s race.
Ryan wrote:
> What does this have to do with a proposed de facto policy that UCD
> staff will not facilitate the enforcement of immigration laws,
More and more (life long Democrat) people are getting tired of getting screwed (paying $50K+ a year to send their kids to school out of state rather than $13K here in town since illegal aliens are taking their kids spots) so the rich and politically connected (who’s kids have the pull to get in to Cal, UCLA and UCD) can “feel” better by “not facilitating the enforcement of immigration laws”…
Are you talking about retaliation based on a myth?
UCD receives 60,000 + applications each year. Do people really think that having staff identify and work with federal agents to deport undocumented students will pave the way for admission to UCD for their kids?
I can’t believe that kindness is a quality that deserves condemnation.
Ryan wrote:
> Do people really think that having staff identify and
> work with federal agents to deport undocumented
> students will pave the way for admission to UCD for their kids?
If students knew that they would have to prove legal residency to get admitted and pay in state tuition few (if any) would apply and it would open up more spaces for the kids of legal (tax paying) residents of California.
AB 540 is a state law.
RK, why should the state subsidize the education of those that cannot legally work? What is the ROI on that?
quielo wrote:
> RK, why should the state subsidize the education of
> those that cannot legally work? What is the ROI on that?
Many on the left like their $10/hour illegal nannies that watch their kids to be well educated…
South of Davis
“More and more (life long Democrat) people are getting tired of…..”
I would love to see your evidence for this assertion. I am a parent whose qualified son was not accepted at least in part because other less qualified students with the ability to pay out of state costs were accepted. I have no problem at all if a better qualified, but undocumented student got “my son’t place”. Just like with “our jobs”, who made them “yours” ? Should they not go to a qualified worker who will take the job and perform it well. Why does anyone believe that a particular position ( either in school or employment) has their name on it by birth place ?
Tia,
People who have paid taxes, for decades in some cases, have a vested interest in getting the benefit of those taxes. I am aware that some illegal aliens pay taxes but the number is small.
Anyway I believe we finance education in a backwards manner anyway.
Tia… example… DJUSD CFD #2 is a ‘charity’ assessment for us ~ $550, for facilities that our kids never used… you are not assessed that… so, for credibility, please remit $550 to DJUSD, and then I’ll listen.
Tia wrote:
> I have no problem at all if a better qualified, but
> undocumented student got “my son’t place”.
How about a lesser qualified illegal alien?
Would you also have “no problem” if your son came home tonight an an illegal alien from Canada had moved in to his room and taken “his place” in your rental home?
We know that left loves illegal aliens, would you also be in favor of passing a law that allowed “illegal contractors” to build in OED?
How about waiving the fees for illegal aliens to sell at the Farmers market (and give them priority for top spaces over local farmers who pay taxes)?
I think President Obama should open the border with Mexico by executive order and call for UN Security Council meeting to bring UN troops on American soil and protect the illegal immigration in the United States .
It will end the anti -Trump hysteria .
Why would UC Davis even consider this at this time? Why not wait to see what the final Trump policy is going to be before rashly jumping into something that could possibly cost them 100’s of millions of dollars. If it’s something that UC Davis doesn’t like then at that time all of the financial and job loss consequences would have to be discussed before any decision is rendered.
No one is going to act at this time. That doesn’t mean there isn’t discussions and maneuvering.
This was in Politico from Napolitano: “We, like the rest of the country, really don’t know what policies the incoming administration will adopt. We are in a period of uncertainty and as such, during the remaining two months of the Obama administration, we believe it wise to strategize the best and most effective response to a number of scenarios possible, or probable, under the Trump administration.”
Hence discussion, but not final decision.
BP – You seem more certain of the penalty that Trump will enforce than the actions Trump will take to fulfill a campaign promise to deport millions of people. If people don’t resist his ideas and let him know that we won’t play along, then he can do whatever he wants. What you are asking UCD staff to do is participate in a program that directly impacts the campus climate and violates existing policies.
Who was it that stated?
Now it’s time for the Democrats to sit in the back. Funny how one’s words come back to haunt. There’s a new sheriff in town.
“ I am aware that some illegal aliens pay taxes but the number is small.”
Please show your evidence that the “number is small”.
And yes, I know, I am one of the taxpayers that has paid taxes for the past 45 years and before you make sweeping generalizations about what taxpayers should and should or should not get, I think it is important that you realize that at least some of us taxpayers do believe we are benefitting when all children, documented or not, get an education.
Tia wrote:
> Please show your evidence that the “number is small”.
You can’t pay income taxes or Social Security taxes without a Social Security or Tax ID number and you can’t get a number if you are illegal/undocumented. There is a small number of illegal/undocumented people that steal SS#s but that only works for a while.
South of Davis
“He is NOT on tape “claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective because he was Mexican” he is on tape claiming that Judge Curiel could not be objective based on his public statements.”
It took me 30 seconds on Google to find the CNN interview that shows him saying exactly that. I am not knowledgeable enough to post it here for you, but I most certainly did not make this up. To be perfectly fair, he did modify his initial statement that it was because he was Mexican, to because he was of Mexican heritage.
hpierce
“ so, for credibility, please remit $550 to DJUSD, and then I’ll listen.”
Well then I guess it is time for you to start listening since I have “remitted” in the form of donations to DJUSD for programs and trips and other activities that students other than my own children could not have afforded otherwise, far more than $ 550.00
It always amazed me that your believe yourself to be so knowledgeable about my finances.
Drake University considers declaring itself a sanctuary campus
http://thesimpsonian.com/25095/news/drake-university-considers-declaring-itself-sanctuary-campus/
That could end up being very costly.
BP
“That could end up being very costly.”
Yes, it could end up costing a lot of money. And not doing so could prove very costly in terms of a moral failure by not standing up for those who are both innocent of any wrongdoing and are amongst our most vulnerable population, namely students who were brought here at young ages by their parents and who themselves have done nothing but obey the rules, work hard in their efforts to obtain a good education, and are now at risk for having done nothing other than live the best possible lives that they could.
“Now STOP!”
For those of you who are more interested in examining any potential threat from an evidence based point of view, rather than just telling others what they should or should not write, you might want to consider the following information on hate crimes as compiled by the FBI over the last 5 years:
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/civil-rights/hate–crimes
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate–crime-statistics-available
So you’re okay with Hitler hysteria?
“you might want to consider the following information on hate crimes as compiled by the FBI over the last 5 years”
So who was President for the last 5 years? Should we also say that Obama’s regime reminded us of 1932, brownshirts and Hilter?
Should we also say that Obama’s regime reminded us of 1932, brownshirts and Hilter?”
Why not? You’ve never been shy about dissimulation.
Thanks for reinforcing my point that the Hitler-Trump hysteria is indeed dissimulation.
No… not Hitler… see video of the president-elect and compare to old footage of Mussolini… but at least we can be assured the trains will run on time…
Spot on.
The scowl and gestures were the clues…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh35KOwVT14
Spot on SOD. That pose by Obama looked exactly like Mussolini’s.
Just for the record, I would have liked the Obama administration much more if he had used his executive power to go after hate groups,like the KKK, NRA, GOP etc. I think he was much too concerned about being perceived as fair to bigots, edited
[moderator] No more personal attacks.
SOD and BP
And how exactly did the crowds chanting “Lock her up” to the actual, not photoshopped, smug and smiling face of our president elect look to you ?
He looked “presidential”.
She should be locked up.
He looks like an over-aged frat boy. He is certainly the least gracious president in my lifetime. It is my sincere hope that he is harangued at every opportunity and reviled by decent society.
I agree – the federal government has gone away from the gas chamber (as of 1988) as the method of execution. It does appear that there are five states that still allow for death by gas chamber.
David
What the elimination of the gas chambers used to execute prisoners in United States has to do with anything ,especially what is relation to Trump. I am surprised that you did not add to your comment the crematoriums which were being used to cremate the deceased. Such suggestive comments are way over the border.
Fritz Haber , the Nobel Prize winner , Father of Chemical Warfare(Battle of Ypres) was a Jew and his science led to invention of the pesticide named Zyklon B which was used massively by Germans in Holocaust to exterminate Jews . The Zyklon B is still being produced in Czech Republic as pesticide under the name of Uragan D ( Uragan is Hurricane or Cyclone ).
And as for his tortured relationship with Germany, Einstein concluded: “Haber’s life was the tragedy of the German Jew – the tragedy of unrequited love.” It does not mean that Haber was responsible for using Zyklon B in Holocaust to exterminate Jews. However, Haber was responsible for using poison gas as a weapon in WW I which killed tens of thousands of people
The similar story is story about ‘Father of Atomic Bomb “ Jewish scientist Julius Robert Oppenheimer (Hiroshima & Nagasaki )
Prior to World War II German company Degesch derived most of its Zyklon B profits from overseas sales, particularly in the United States, where it was produced under license by Roessler & Hasslacher prior to 1931 and by American Cyanamid from 1931 to 1943. FROM 1929, THE UNITED STATES PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICE USED ZYKLON B TO DISINFEST FREIGHT TRAINS AND CLOTHES OF MEXICAN IMMIGRANTS ENTERING THE UNITED STATES.
It is appearing that before WW II the south order of the United States was well protected and immigration from the south was well controlled.
The Washington Post article “WHAT AMERICANS THOUGHT OF JEWISH REFUGEES ON THE EVE OF WORLD WAR II” is the very good article and I would like to recommend for you and others to read this article .It is a chunk of the American history unknown to many people which are today making comparisons of the beyond imagination Holocaust tragedy to the enforcement of the law in this country outlined in the Title 8 of U.S Code ( Chapter 7 of this Code “Exclusion of Chinese is interesting part of U.S history)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/17/what-americans-thought-of-jewish-refugees-on-the-eve-of-world-war-ii/?tid=a_inl
This is a crazy hysteria of left wing politicos with the agenda ‘THE WORSE, THE BETTER” . I don’t believe that any of you have seen Auschwitz Museum or any other place of mass extermination. It is not the same as to see a Hollywood’s movie about the Holocaust. . Nobody should make a irresponsible comments by exploiting the Holocaust tragedy and compare it to deportation of illegals regardless of political orientation or political view. I know what is the deportation and to be refugee means from my own experiences without reading anything about.
Its interesting that my comments regarding Hitler refer to 1932 and wondering about the unease people likely felt when Hitler was first elected and the unease people are feeling today with Trump being elected. Instead of people comparing 1932 to 2016 they jump way ahead to death camps. My point is that to prevent the latter we should oppose any incremental steps that can lead towards authoritarianism or totalitarianism. Already some Trump supporters are citing the Japanese internment as a legitimate policy and the pick for CIA favors enhanced interrogations. Perhaps Hitler is the wrong analogy perhaps Stalin and the NKVD is better. What would Solzhenitsyn do? Go along to get along.
Comment noted as to timeline… the concept of “thin opening wedge” comes to mind… it is still “thin”, at best, and can be thwarted, if it exists, and if necessary… we will not forget history, nor repeat its uglier aspects… j’espere…
I’m not in charge of censorship here.
Ain’t no time to hate.
[moderator] I have removed a number of posts. Please stay on topic and cease the personal attacks.
Don
Trump by his personal attacks against opponents in the primary won him nomination and thereafter labeling Hillary Clinton as a ” Crooked Hillary ” Trump became the President of the United States .
If no vulgar or racists remarks were used in the ongoing discussion than is no reason to cut people off ,as you do .This is what the ignore button is for . Especially, I disagree t with you that you have removed my response to Misanthrop. My response was about millions of German refugees uprooted by Stalin and about refugee like myself uprooted by communists.If the other people throwing Hitler into discussion and making comparisons to Holocaust and subject is related to illegal immigrants than please be fair. You will not rewrite the history by censoring posts .
The moderator, for whatever reason, left your 12:21 (and 5:34) posts intact… where is your “beef”? If I wrote, “beef the where is”, I’ll be moderated (as I apparently have been…. perhaps rightfully so)… you are getting free passes… enjoy… apparently, you have special insight…
Not a personal attack, but acknowledgement of “what is”…
hpierce
I did not write anything to you , Why you responding on Don’s behalf . Just click on ignore button . Just ignore . The DV for me is not the Appellant Opening Brief or SLAPP motion to be perfect You post shows who you are and how transparent and tolerant you are . You could call me damn Polak if you like to . I don ‘t care and I don’t take offense . How you suppose to protect illegal immigrants with your attitude toward outsiders. Give me a break .
Removed , in deference to Don.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BaPSlfZjM