by Juliet Crites
What does the country need most right now? We need unity, to be unified after the deep divisions created by a campaign year of hate, fear mongering, and extreme dishonesty. The news pundits are saying that Trump blew multiple opportunities to bring the country together. Instead we are watching him do more heinous acts of societal, political, governmental, and environmental destruction. We all know this is just the beginning. It hasn’t even been a week since he was sworn in. Ask yourself what women would do if faced with this deplorable and divisive situation that is headed downhill fast. We got the answer to this question on January 21, 2017.
Women around the world, not just nationally, unified with each other, our husbands, fathers and sons, and our children and families. It started out as a women’s march but ended up being a unifying force across this county and the world. People were amazed at the unanimity of people during this march. I am not that amazed at the unity women were able to achieve in a short time. The past months have exposed the condition that women live with every day. With the attempt to de-fund Planned Parenthood (which leaves many people without needed care) and publicly listening to tapes of sexual predator behavior and abuse by a national political candidate, people are waking up to the American female experience. You don’t have to be female to hear and see what women are exposed to in daily life. Brothers, sons, fathers, husbands, and friends of women have had a small glimpse into the misogyny, institutional and structural gender discrimination, and the very real and dangerous rape culture in America. This combined with nationalism[1] has not just spurred many to protest, it has ignited the feminine life-force worldwide.
A point of historical political change for women was when then-First Lady Hillary Clinton used the phrase in a speech to the United Nations: “Women’s rights are human rights.” This is a phrase used early in the feminist movement. Its early uses came during the 1980s and early 1990s. It came to most prominence as the name of the speech given by Hillary Rodham Clinton, the First Lady of the United States, on 5 September 1995, at the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing. [1] In this speech she used the phrase within the longer refrain, “human rights are women’s rights and women’s rights are human rights[i].” This small gesture has been a catalyst for change over the last 22 years.
I remember that speech and I remember thinking that it was finally time to acknowledge women as equal to men. It was, of course, a naive thought. That was 22 years ago and women have continued to struggle with lower pay, domestic violence, rape culture, even child trafficking, all in our backyards unacknowledged, unaddressed and ever present. There is a terrible and unimaginable underbelly in American society and many or most of the victims are females of all ages. For those of you reading this column who are going to comment on men’s victimization, don’t worry, that is another column, it’s just not this one.
There have been politically divisive issues within women’s relationships, however, over time the gap has been closing. I have heard many mature women comment that they do not understand this divide, with Millennials in particular, and they say, “Don’t they know and understand what we went through in the 60’s and 70’s so they have the rights they have now?” The answer to that is, most likely, no they don’t. Millennial women have, however, put an exclamation point on the recent presidential election and the more recent Democratic Delegate elections and
are continuing with the fight for progressive values. Millennials are our future and I support and welcome them and their contributions.
Women old and young will continue to keep the activism alive across the nation and the world. There are many social and cultural intersections that divide women; however, there is one powerful condition that unites us and that is the experience of being female. Our common experience as females, which often consists of family and children first and then ourselves, brings us together. There is a thread that is woven through us, we are warriors and peacemakers, and we are the binding strength underlying every culture and every society.
For women like myself there is no going back to the dark times of unacknowledged abuses, divisions between us created by social, political, even geographical divides, and isolation. We are done suffering an existence of silence. Hear this: WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED! We are peaceful but powerful women who are often uniters, caretakers, and life givers. We will and are giving life to the resistance of destructive, divisive, disrespectful, and dark forces. Women have shown up for this. Our loved ones have joined in and we are ready to work toward a peaceful (or some of us not) and powerful protection of our values and what is important to us as a nation and as women.
[1] Nationalism defined by Merriam Webster[1] ; loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations’ groups <Intense nationalism was one of the causes of the war.>
[i] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women’s_rights_are_human_rights
Or, for an insightful counterpoint, from left-leaner Frank Bruni, read this (or don’t at your own peril):
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/opinion/the-wrong-way-to-take-on-trump.html?_r=0
Good contribution, Alan… you are correct… a “must-read”, and think on…
The Trump children who have taken active part is one thing… the 10-year old should be shielded… off-limits…
And yes, there was much more to the article than that, but that was what hit me in the gut…
Riot police take down protesters blocking streets in Portland and get cheered.
People are getting tired of this crap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfj7vdURTlU
It’s not like this happened in Texas or Nebraska, in very liberal Portland people on the street were cheering the riot police.
So in your world, Keith, are all protesters the same? The protest in Portland was a small group protesting about police tactics. Maybe a couple of dozen people. That’s the same as millions of women gathering around the world? You consider this all equivalent?
I posted the Portland video in response to the article Alan Miller posted above showing that the riots and actions from the left often have the result of pushing people to the other side.
How Madonna empowered people stating that she was ready to ” Blow up the White House ” or Ashley Judd with her slam poetry or Michael Moore with appearance like a homeless and his Joseph Goebbels’s style scream. I listened a few Dems. Party strategist about these marches and Dems. strategist stated that the marches and the instigators are not very helpful to Democratic Party strategy to recover from the humiliating defeat caused by the last presidential election.
Good point Jaroslaw, I hope they keep it up so conservatives can keep winning elections.
Keith
Leftists in their anger to delegitimize President Trump exposed themselves as the enemy of democratic system and they show they don’t represent anybody . The Democratic Party has a lot of good people and good politicians and true patriots but they were overpowered and marginalized by the left wing party extremists.
I hope people like Madonna and Ashley Judd keep it up. I hope protesters keep blocking traffic and pissing people off. It all turns against the left.
Good find Alan. I am a regular reader of Frank Bruni and somehow missed this one. I agree that it works against the the left when celebrities and others sink to the level of the current president. But I think it is very important to recognize that Madonna, Ashley Judd, and Michael Moore are not the current occupants of the White House and it was the current occupant who set this tone repetitively during his campaign. Have we so quickly forgotten his calls to “rough up” heckler’s at his rallies, or his heartless attacks on the wives of other candidates, or his belittling and insulting comments about the Gold Star mother Ms. Khan, or his accusations of “lying” when all he could really claim was disagreement with a statement being made, or famously his statement that he could shoot someone on the street without losing support. Does anyone believe that these were truly presidential statements ? Is anyone surprised that when a president believes that these are normal behaviors, that others on both ends of the political spectrum will act similarly ?
Definitely, Tia… we should go towards the LOWEST common denominator… or should we?
Howard
“Definitely, Tia… we should go towards the LOWEST common denominator… or should we?”
As I am sure that you know by now, I do not believe that we should be emulating any of the behaviors of the current occupant of the White House. Merely noting that something is likely to occur is a far cry from advocating for it……as I am sure you know.
Tia
Demon in the White House . The good is bad and vice versa . Get real Tia. Women are marching today for a different reason and Howard as a Catholic knows what the today’s march is about.
Jerry
“Get real Tia. Women are marching today for a different reason and Howard as a Catholic knows what the today’s march is about.”
Really, Jerry ? Really ? Since I was one of those marchers, why don’t you tell me why I marched ? My adult daughter and my partner were at my side. Do you also want to tell me why they marched since you obviously think that you know our motivations better than we do. My neighbor, a nurse midwife whose life work is too deliver babies marched in DC. Would you like to tell me why she and her colleagues marched. It would be very enlightening for you to tell us why were marching. Or maybe you would prefer that Howard tell us why we marched. And while you are at it, why don’t you tell me why you think that one’s religion had anything to do with their motivation to march since you chose to bring up Howard’s. I saw women in knitted caps, bareheaded as I was, and some wearing a hajib. So much for unity of religious identity as the motivating factor.
That comes in 2025.
Alan
I don’t believe that Madonna is suicidal and she would blow up the White House with herself as the occupant.
Funny 2025
I’m not sure why some people feel compelled to disparage the women’s march. Millions of women protested peacefully around the world. The outpouring was genuine and many of the women I know who participated had not been politically active before, but were motivated to protest by their outrage at the behavior and character of the new president. It’s clear that it struck a chord, clearly rattled Trump and evidently his supporters. I would expect that you will see more of these rallies as the chaos of the new administration continues to affect more and more people.
Focusing on the few comments of the celebrities is really a deflection. I’d urge you folks to consider why the millions of women rallied and what they were trying to say, rather than disparaging them based on the intemperate comments of a few of the speakers.
Did you even read the article link? The article’s point wasn’t remotely to disparage the marches.
I was replying to the comments here. I couldn’t read the article linked because I don’t subscribe.
I don’t subscribe either. I can read the article. If you can’t read it, maybe Google the author and title. It was reprinted elsewhere.
Basically the same message as to Milo protestors –> ‘feel good’ does not equal success, and tactics that feel like a win, may give power to those you oppose. Message is that some noisy sects of left should not be embraced. The independent/middle-of-road are the sway-able voting block. That many who voted for Obama the last two prez elections voted this time for Trump needs to be understood, lest PC verbage / Identity Politics / White Shaming continues to push the sway-able voting block right, and if so, what will you get? EIGHT years of President Trump.
Congratulations.
Don.
The women marches were instigated and financed by President Trump’s haters like Soros , Moore, Madonna and others like them . Did you see the millions of deplorable women in these marches who are getting by day by day in their lives on food stamps and welfare without hope to get job and live better. ? I watched closely who is marching in these marches . Despicable attempt to deligitimize the new President by left wing of Democratic Party.
Oh, nonsense. Give me a break.
As Don implies… you are a more than a bit out of line as to both ‘instigators’, and definitely ‘financing’…
It was a divisive campaign (both sides)… at least once the prez implied/said you are not a woman of importance unless you have a C (preferably a D) bra cup size… check out his three wives and daughters… many women are pissed from his ‘bleeding’ reference on national TV…
Three wives? Two divorces? Yeah, between the prez, Guiliani, Gingrich, that should be the standard? Moral imperatives? Trump has set a new record for marriages for someone elected president… almost all (Andrew Jackson, and Ronald Reagan comes to mind as exceptions) were only married once, except widowers… Trump makes all men look bad to women if they think (they shouldn’t) that he is a ‘man’ worthy of support.
The ‘marches’ seem like a sane reaction to me… more sane than the UCD protests against the jerk speaker invited to UCD…
Howard
This is true . However, Donald Trump prior his election was was not a politician and we know his children from the previous marriages are doing well having him as a father . President Clinton and Monica scandal was a lot worse than any of the Trump’s “missteps ” in his private life . Theoretically Hillary Clinton should dump Bill after the scandal with Monica . If she would did that , it was a god chance that she would won presidency . People did not like to see Bill Clinton again in White House chasing young intern girls around the Oval Office .
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Jerry –
I couldn’t let this ignorant, inane comment go by. Of course, you have no way of knowing the financial circumstances of the millions who marched. Your generalization is absurd. Further, your characterization of families receiving government benefits is bigoted and offensive.
“Despicable attempt to deligitimize the new President by left wing of Democratic Party.” Trump delegitimizes himself as someone qualified to be President on pretty much a daily basis. He didn’t even need the help of Comey and Putin for that.
Eric
You will not reverse the history does not matter how hard you will try together with Tia others on the DV blog. Donald Trump is thje President of the United States of America you like it or not .
The women who helped Donald Trump win
Updated by Tara Golshan Jan 21, 2017, 11:46am EST
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14061660/women-march-washington-vote-trump
Jerry
“The women marches were instigated and financed by President Trump’s haters like Soros , Moore, Madonna and others like them “
Oh, for heaven’s sake. Do you know or have you spoken to anyone who attended one of these marches ? I attended the march on Sacramento along with a male psychologist, a teacher and know personally five other individuals who were at the event including one elected official. Not one of us was inspired by or has ever received any money from Soros or Madonna or “others like them” although I frankly doubt that Soros and Madonna have much in common. None of these folks nor the others that I know who went to DC for this event are on welfare so it would seem to me that you are not watching very carefully. I would like to know exactly how you decided whether or not someone you saw on TV or the internet was “on welfare”.
As for discrediting the current occupant of the White House, no one at these protests has to do that. He does it himself daily through his refusal to divulge his private business interests, his nepotism, his appointments of completely unqualified individuals who also have conflicts of interest and his incoherent and frequently contradictory statements and Tweets.
Jaroslaw is correct. Many of the groups that were behind the planning of this event are George Soros funded. Look it up.
If it were so easy to pay for large crowds, they would happen all the time. Don’t diminish the importance of how many people came out last weekend, that was not artificial.
Marches like this just don’t appear out of thin air. It takes a lot of planning and getting the word out. It took a concerted effort by many organizations of which many are backed by George Soros money. The Women’s March on Washington website lists 158 partners of which more than a quarter had received funding from George Soros.
You’re correct they don’t appear after thin air, but I happen to get a lot of the Facebook posts and activists had been planning this since November 9.
Soros donates to lots of community organizations. That is completely different from “The women marches were instigated and financed by President Trump’s haters like Soros”. Soros is the bogeyman of the right. Here are the organizers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women's_March#Background
And here are the major partners:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Women's_March#Partnerships
It is likely that Soros has donated to some of those organizations. It is also likely that people you know have done so. Soros doesn’t control them.
This is just an absurd canard and an attempt to diminish the significance of the women’s march.
Yes, Soros has donated $90 million to many of the groups who backed the march.
Not exactly chump change.
So what? My statement stands: he did not instigate this. He doesn’t tell those groups what to do. It’s a canard. It’s an absurd allegation. It’s ridiculous.
Don
Yesterday On “The Messy Truth with Van Jones,” Whoopi Goldberg says it wasn’t just liberal women across the country who attended the women’s march, and people should do their homework before passing judgment. Other than the above general statement she had no any clue how to answer many Van Jones questions about the protest and to provide explanation what these women marches were about . She marched because Trump was looking for Obama’s Birth Certificate and he did not apologized for and also for this reason she would not meet the President Trump if she would be invited to White House . You should watch the Whoopi Goldberg’s conversation with Van Jones . She was pointless. It is not the absurd that Soros, Moore and others were behind these hateful to new President marches . I have heard first about from the Sam Staton Tweet
Sam Stanton @StantonSam 15 Nov 2016
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Linda Katehi: Why I will join the “Women’s March on Washington” on January 21st, 2017 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-katehi/why-i-will-join-the-women_b_12992644.html?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004 … via @HuffPostWomen
with my response
Jaroslaw Waszczuk@Vashchook1980
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@StantonSam @HuffPostWomen Chancellor Linda Katehi should organize March on Napoliano’s RSHA Headquarters In Oakland instead of Washington
Keith
Every individual that I know who attended, number varies because it is rising as I talk with more acquaintances, did so on their own behalf, as an individual, for their own personal reasons. Not one of these individuals accepted any financial help to attend. I do not deny that there were some groups with liberal funding. Why would either Jerry or you want to erroneously generalize that to all who attended ?
Not saying they were paid to attend, where did I say that?
I’m saying that these groups were a huge part of the planning and instigating people to partake.
Tia
Were they pro choice or pro life ? You no need inspiration , you are the inspiration on the local level . Katehi with her daughter marched in Washington D.C . She was inspired by Napolitano.
Jerry
“Were they pro choice or pro life ?”
I am sure that there were many differing points of view represented on the issue of abortion.
Education is clearly warranted here. It is entirely possible to be both pro life and pro choice. I am an example. I would like to see the least possible number of abortions. I personally find abortion repugnant for moral and health reasons. But, the number of abortions is the lowest now that it has been since Roe vs Wade. I could tell our leaders exactly how to minimize the number of abortions if that were really their goal. But they have not listened so far and are not going to start now.
The way to minimize abortions is to prevent unwanted pregnancies. We now have the means to do this, but not the will. Free and readily accessible effective contraception to all women of reproductive age would greatly decrease the number of abortions, but it would mean that the government would have to be willing to fund contraceptive health care for all women of reproductive age who wanted it. I anticipate a very short pause before the scoffing starts about “paying women to have sex” and claims of immorality because many women enjoy sex as much as men do but are in the unique position of being the only one’s that can conceive. Fancy the irony that we are willing as a nation to fund Viagra to help with erectile dysfunction for men, but unwilling to fund contraception for women even knowing that its lack leads to increased unwanted pregnancies and increased abortions.
Now before we chime in about how it is not the responsibility of society to stop women from getting pregnant, let me ask why if you believe that is the case, is it the responsibility of society to block them from carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term with the delivery of a child that the society then will not help to support ?
As for my credentials on this issue, I have myself either delivered or supervised the delivery of somewhere between 2 and 5 thousand babies. I have spent much of my career helping women who wanted children to conceive and have safe and successful pregnancies. I have spent much of my career helping women who did not want to become pregnant prevent that outcome. I have never performed an abortion that was not medically indicated ( no elective abortions). So I am willing to listen to anyone’s opinion on the issue of abortion, but what I am not willing to do is to be told what I must think or feel about this issue by someone who is only demonstrating their own ignorance of the complex issues involved and assumes they know the heart of someone just because they participated in a peaceful protest. I will be happy to address the complexities if anyone has questions or has the care of as many pregnancies and deliveries as I have under their belt. Any takers ?
Tia
I know you are professional hard working woman. I asked you simple question “Were they pro choice or pro life ” because pro life women were not welcomed to march together with libs. ” This was the reason for my question. .
Jerry
I know that you want every answer to be “yes” or “no”, “black” or “white” and it is very hard for you to accept an answer that is “I don’t know” or “it’s complicated” or both. And I know the report that you are citing. However the truth is that one specific group received push back about participating. No one was “not allowed”. As a matter of fact, one of the chants that I heard repetitively in the Sacramento march was “No hate, no fear, everyone is welcome here. No suggestion that pro life Catholics were excluded.Whether we are talking about 10 people, the number that I now know personally who attended a march, or whether we are talking about the 20,000 who protested in Sacramento or the millions who protested around the world, I think it is safe to say that there were probably many who consider themselves “pro life”, many who consider themselves” pro choice” and many, like myself who consider themselves both.
I know that many who would block health care to women because it is provided by Planned Parenthood are well intentioned and believe that they are saving lives. They are wrong. A very small amount of the services provided by Planned Parenthood involve abortion. Their main role is in providing preventative screening services, treatment of sexually transmissible diseases, immunizations, and most important of all to this discussion contraceptive services. It is a simple fact that when contraceptive use increases, abortion rate decreases. When contraceptive availability decreases, abortion rates rise. Now, six years after the enactment of the ACA with increased availability of contraceptive services, we are at the lowest national abortion rate since the time of Roe vs Wade. This is the success that theologically driven, but medically naive, individuals currently in power are going to reverse with their ill thought out blockage of care to the most vulnerable members of our society if they simultaneously succeed in dismantling Obamacare, defunding Planned Parenthood and passing ever more restrictive laws to limit the clinics in which women can obtain medically safe abortions.
This is what the left and PP would have you believe but it’s false.
In their calculations PP counts someone walking in and being handed birth control pills and other smaller services the same as someone getting an abortion.
Good Morning Tia
From the very beginning of the four years term the President Trump is doing everything what he promised during his election campaign . Millions of women voted for him for many other reasons than the reasons you outlined in your responses. . I watched CNN yesterday and even CNN changed the tune about the new President after got slammed for producing fake news and untrue propaganda. Democracy works , you will survive.
Jerry
“Theoretically Hillary Clinton should dump Bill after the scandal with Monica .”
According to whose “theory”? Hillary Clinton was raised as a Methodist as was I. We were raised with the belief in the sanctity of our marital vows. I chose to stay in an abusive relationship for years because of the strength of my belief in my vows. So let me make sure that I understand your point. Hillary did not deserve the presidency because she chose to honor her own marital vows even though her husband had not made the same choice ? Does that sound about right ?
And as for people not wanting to see Bill Clinton in the White House “chasing” completely sexually willing interns around the desk, I suppose we would rather see in the White House a man who brags about his willingness to grope women with or without their consent. I would say that we have already sunk to the “lowest common denominator” as Howard put it, in our choice of president.
Tia
In the link http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14061660/women-march-washington-vote-trump
is everything about you stated . Vox is not a conservative or pro Trump source of information but Vox provided quite objective opinion about the Trump’s behavior prior the election . Trump apologized for his chat with Bush in contrary to Bill Clinton’s lies ” I never had a sexual relation with this women” . Trump did not chat about his desires in White House . I bet if Trump would do what President Clinton did than he would be impeached by the Republican members of Congress and Senate . Apparently for the millions of Americans it was more important to solve more important problems of which country is full of than to be worry about Trump’s chat with Bush about his sexual desires and other Trump’s blunders which were embarrassing to listen but were enough serious to cost him presidency . Mr. Trump remind me a little a first Polish President after Soviet Era and his gaffes in his early stage of presidency . I met him twice in USA when he was giving speeches on time in University of Pacific and one time in Bakersfield Business Conference . The Bakersfield Business Conference was quite experience for me when Polish President Lech Walesa ( my photo with him is on DV https://davisvanguard.org/2014/06/political-refugee-from-poland-files-whistleblower-retaliation-case-against-uc-davis/) sitting next to President of Israel stated that it is unfortunate that Jaser Arafat is not sitting with us . I almost dove under the table . The Israeli president response was quite intense and offensive .
Jerry
“Trump apologized for his chat with Bush”
And Bill Clinton ultimately apologized for his affair with the intern. You seem very selective in your forgiveness based on apology. As a matter of fact, you seem to think that Hillary rightfully lost to Trump not because of any of her own actions, but because of the actions of her husband, for which he offered an apology that I think was equally as sincere ( or not) as the apology of the current president. I think it is apparent that both men apologized only because they were caught, not because of any moral regret. This willingness to condemn Hillary for the actions of her husband and then to stand by it is truly baffling to me.
Another word about apology. The woman who called Michelle Obama, one of the most admirable women of whom I am aware, an “ape in heels”, also “apologized”. Do you think for a moment that this “apology” wiped out the hatred and racism that are clearly demonstrated by her words ? Apologies can be sincere or they can be manipulative and self serving. It is my belief based on his words and actions as documented over many years that the current occupant of the White House apologized only as a self serving manipulation. That you seem to believe that he was sincere seems to me to be a measure of your own naïveté or desire to support the ignorant, immoral, erratic, lying charlatan who has managed to con his way into the White House. And before you start on the “Trump hating” claim, I can document every one of the truthful pejoratives that I listed. This is not about hate, it is about fact.
Keith
“A very small amount of the services provided by Planned Parenthood involve abortion.
This is what the left and PP would have you believe but it’s false.”
Please cite your sources for this assertion.
No, it is actually true and documented repeatedly. In at least on state, Planned Parenthood has never provided a single abortion and yet is still vilified.
No one is equating “walking in and having an abortion with other services”. I was addressing the proportion of time and funds that are spent on various services with abortions constituting a small percentage of time and funds. No one is arguing for a moral equivalency.
This is the most recent breakdown of actual services provided that I was able to find on a quick search. Please note that Planned Parenthood focuses primarily on contraceptive services but also provides health screenings for both women, and men and in some, but not all locations, abortion.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance
Planned Parentood’s claim that only 3% of their services are for abortions is false.
The way PP does their accounting would be like someone walking into a doctor’s office for a hang nail being the same as someone getting open heart surgery.
Or a car repair shop counting filling someone’s tire with air the same as doing a complete engine change.
Equating the family planning and prenatal care provided by Planned Parenthood with treating hangnails and getting tires inflated is disingenuous and creates false equivalences. Planned Parenthood provides vital services, access to abortion being one of many.
Not false equivalencies. Do you think an abortion should be counted the same as the service of handing out birth control pills?
First, it is a false equivalence in that you trivialize the vast majority of the services provided by Planned Parenthood. Second, yes, they should be counted the same insofar as they involve personal medical choices women have a constitutional right to make. Hindering access to birth control pills can also have a profound impact on women and families.
That’s your opinion, that’s fine. I think my equivalencies are a good analogy.
Keith
Don’t let Eric and Tia to distract you by abortion and Planned Parenthood. They diluting your focus and redirecting your attention from the the main article subject.
Jerry –
First, the threat the Trump administration poses to civil and human rights, including women’s reproductive rights, is very much what this article and the Women’s March are about. Second, it was you who first brought up the topic of abortion rights here (6:40 p.m. post yesterday). Hypocrite much, do you?
Eric
I know how this blog works . We have fun here and we are killing time . I did not bring abortion to the subject . I only asked Tia simple question about the pro choice and pro life participants in women march . That it . I did not elaborate about .
Can you cite a source that disputes the 3% and provides a factual basis for the claim that 3% is “false”?
Alternative fact according to Jerry (paraphrased, and Davis Green Onion worthy)
“I did not bring abortion to the subject. I only asked Tia a simple question about the pro life and pro choice participants in the women’s march.” And of course, we all know that pro life and pro choice have nothing to do with the subject of abortion. Wink, wink.
Hi Tia
Wink , wink . Intelligent choice not pro choice .Eric needs abortion.
Keith
“Planned Parentood’s claim that only 3% of their services are for abortions is false.”
Again I would like your evidence to support this statement. I have provided the numbers as provided by Planned Parenthood. If you have data that demonstrates that this is incorrect, I would certinaly consider it.
Keith
“Do you think an abortion should be counted the same as the service of handing out birth control pills?”
I am unsure when you say “counted the same” if you are talking about economic considerations or moral considerations.
There are a number of ways to account for medical time and services. One way is to count the amount of time needed to perform a procedure. Although I have never done an elective abortion, I have done many, many uterine evacuations for intrauterine fetal demise which is essentially the same procedure. For a pregnancy at less than 12 weeks gestational age, it would typically take me about 15 minutes, start to finish to perform the entire procedure. This would have been preceded by about 1/2 hour of nursing time to assess, counsel, and set up and about 15 minutes of clerical time and assistant time to ensure appropriate testing ( confirmation of pregnancy and dating) had been done and accurately documented. So overall, we are looking at about one hour of staff time on the day of the procedure and potentially an hour of supervised recovery time. Within those two hours, I could have seen and treated eight patients for a variety of services including STD screening, birth control counseling and provision including placement of a Nexplanon or IUD. The abortion would have cost more than any of these single services in terms of time and equipment, but certainly not more than their aggregate especially if it included Nexplanon or IUD placement.
So I am guessing that you are not really considering the monetary or time and personnel costs, but are focusing on the moral equivalency ? Am I right, or have I misunderstood your question ?
Tia
Write a book about abortion and make money . You are sick by writing about the abortion procedure on the DV . Disgusting and offensive
To all: please keep the conversation civil.
Moderator
This is not about civil conversation , .Tia is a doctor and DV is a not the abortion clinic in the place she works . This is very unprofessional on her part writing about abortion procedure on DV . I am not sure if her boss and the State of California Medical Board would appreciate her writing on the blog about abortion procedures on DV . Am I am missing something here . I would recommend for you to remove her post and my response before somebody will report her . This is not the matter to be civil .
Funny guy.
Oh. Wait. You’re serious?
Eric
I am death serious . I worked for the UC David Medical Center and I got lot of training what doctors and personnel could say about hospital procedures . This is unbelievable, unprofessional and unacceptable what Tia as doctor did on DV blog .
Jerry
I want to make a few facts clear to you. I do not and have not ever worked “in an abortion clinic”. I did not write a single word about the procedure itself. What I did was the following:
1. I clearly stated that I have never performed an elective abortion.
2. I clearly stated that I have performed the procedure called a D&C which requires the same steps as an abortion but is done for other indications and is sometimes life saving for the woman.
3. I never described any of these steps. All I did was to outline the amount of time that would be typically required to complete the procedure.
4. I regret your having been offended, but given the actual facts of what I wrote, cannot imagine how you found this to be offensive and do not regret writing anything that I wrote.