Davis City Councilmember Lamar Heystek called for an independent investigation into these allegations.
“I think we need to bring in outside help to look into the Grand Jury allegations.”
CBS News 13’s broadcast focused mostly on the incidence of drinking, however, they also interviewed the City Manager by phone. At one point they asked Bill Emlen what Fire Chief Rose Conroy’s reaction to the Grand Jury report was.
“Her reaction is that she feels that there are a lot of things in the report that don’t paint an accurate picture of how the department is run.”
Bill Emlen went on to say that some of what is alleged in the report could be inaccurate.
But what is interesting about his statement is that it would appear that his initial denial to the press on Tuesday was based on what Chief Rose Conroy said.
Bill Emlen’s statement released on Tuesday said:
“We believe the Grand Jury Report includes several statements that are factually incorrect. Taken together, they contribute to a less-than-accurate picture of the Davis Fire Department.”
However, notably as important, was toward the end of the CBS News 13 broadcast, the reporter said that Bill Emlen said that an independent investigation will be underway immediately.
The question now is what form such an independent investigation might take. In order to really have the confidence of the public at this point, that investigation needs to be conducted by someone outside of the city’s chain of command. Basically it needs to be performed by someone like Bob Aaronson, who is the police ombudsman, or Bob Aaronson itself.
At this point, it appears that there is now momentum in that direction.
While there is general disappointment that the news coverage focused on the incidence of drinking rather than what appears to be more serious charges of undue union influence and hostile work environment, the public response to this appears to be putting pressure on the city to do something. It is becoming a point of embarrassment. The City Manager’s public response remains troubling, but behind the scenes there may be more acknowledgment that action must be taken.
We will have to wait and see until Monday to find out exactly what the plan is from the city’s perspective.
From my perspective I don’t understand the reluctance to independently investigate this issue. If the Chief is exonerated by such an investigation, the public will have much more confidence in such a report if it doesn’t come from the city itself. A witch hunt is not what we need, just someone who is not predisposed to back the city at all costs.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
From what I have seen and heard all parties are calling for the Ombudsman to be the independent investagator. The truth will come out and there will be consequences or exoneration.
From what I have seen and heard all parties are calling for the Ombudsman to be the independent investagator. The truth will come out and there will be consequences or exoneration.
From what I have seen and heard all parties are calling for the Ombudsman to be the independent investagator. The truth will come out and there will be consequences or exoneration.
From what I have seen and heard all parties are calling for the Ombudsman to be the independent investagator. The truth will come out and there will be consequences or exoneration.
This better not be another variant of the wolf investigating his own conduct and declaring himself exonerated, or there will be demonstrations in Central Park. Mr. Emlen appears to have already demonstrated his shillyness by first having made unequivocal declarations, and then inserting “weasel wording” when he was talking to the Bee. He must’ve had a word with Harriet Steiner who tutored him on the more obvious elements of CYA. BTW, Jim Stevens is a knob (pass it on).
This better not be another variant of the wolf investigating his own conduct and declaring himself exonerated, or there will be demonstrations in Central Park. Mr. Emlen appears to have already demonstrated his shillyness by first having made unequivocal declarations, and then inserting “weasel wording” when he was talking to the Bee. He must’ve had a word with Harriet Steiner who tutored him on the more obvious elements of CYA. BTW, Jim Stevens is a knob (pass it on).
This better not be another variant of the wolf investigating his own conduct and declaring himself exonerated, or there will be demonstrations in Central Park. Mr. Emlen appears to have already demonstrated his shillyness by first having made unequivocal declarations, and then inserting “weasel wording” when he was talking to the Bee. He must’ve had a word with Harriet Steiner who tutored him on the more obvious elements of CYA. BTW, Jim Stevens is a knob (pass it on).
This better not be another variant of the wolf investigating his own conduct and declaring himself exonerated, or there will be demonstrations in Central Park. Mr. Emlen appears to have already demonstrated his shillyness by first having made unequivocal declarations, and then inserting “weasel wording” when he was talking to the Bee. He must’ve had a word with Harriet Steiner who tutored him on the more obvious elements of CYA. BTW, Jim Stevens is a knob (pass it on).
The independent investigator also needs to look into Bobby Weist and the union influence over promotions, favoritism, etc. There are many layers to this investigation that need to take place.
Also, the protection of people’s anonymity will be very important.
The independent investigator also needs to look into Bobby Weist and the union influence over promotions, favoritism, etc. There are many layers to this investigation that need to take place.
Also, the protection of people’s anonymity will be very important.
The independent investigator also needs to look into Bobby Weist and the union influence over promotions, favoritism, etc. There are many layers to this investigation that need to take place.
Also, the protection of people’s anonymity will be very important.
The independent investigator also needs to look into Bobby Weist and the union influence over promotions, favoritism, etc. There are many layers to this investigation that need to take place.
Also, the protection of people’s anonymity will be very important.
I certainly hope that an outside, independent investigation ensues. I, for one, would not want ANYONE – ombudsman or not – who is in any way associatd with the city looking into this. Otherwise, the investigation will have no credibility to many people, me included.
In another case giving Yolo County a black eye, the Bee reported today there will now be an independent outside investigation of the situation at the courthouse where the doors were locked in one key courtroom for a “public” hearing, and the internal investigation of it pointed the finger at only the Sheriff’s department. Sure, the Sheriff’s Department locked the courtroom to all but those they wanted – and graciously unlocked the door for Prieto and the DA. Sadly, that court’s internal investigation ignored the fact that multiple courtrooms were closed and locked for the one hearing. Multiple judges permitted the entire situation to occur as it did. THe investigation should have addressed that set of facts and instead gives at least the appearance of impropriety by the bench. Dave Rosenberg is certainly not “stupid” but he did leave a glaring hole in his first act as presiding judge on a major controversial matter.
This Grand Jury report should result in an independent investigation into the city staff, all elected officials who owe big allegiance to the union’s money and political activism, the fire department management and the union.
While we’re at it, why not look at the DA’s office for that taxpayer financed helicopter ride for the DA and his favorite lieutenant whithin hours of the last cop killer sentencing? CHP supposedly gave them a private ride-along as high flying observers to “escort” the killer’s van to prison. Someone has been showing the big grin “thumbs up” photo of the DA over San Quentin around the office. Someone thought ahead to bring a camera for pete’s sake!It’s one thing to show solidarity with the fellow officers of the slain officer, it’s another to grandstand at taxpayer expense. The photo op is just tacky. Will we pay for another helicopter ride when and if this cop killer is convicted and sentenced?
This is supposedly no longer a small town, good ‘ol boy, back woods county. That seems belied by recent events. The Sheriff, the Courts, the DA, and now Davis Fire Department – what are we paying for?
Yolo county is embarrassing at times. We live in those times.
I certainly hope that an outside, independent investigation ensues. I, for one, would not want ANYONE – ombudsman or not – who is in any way associatd with the city looking into this. Otherwise, the investigation will have no credibility to many people, me included.
In another case giving Yolo County a black eye, the Bee reported today there will now be an independent outside investigation of the situation at the courthouse where the doors were locked in one key courtroom for a “public” hearing, and the internal investigation of it pointed the finger at only the Sheriff’s department. Sure, the Sheriff’s Department locked the courtroom to all but those they wanted – and graciously unlocked the door for Prieto and the DA. Sadly, that court’s internal investigation ignored the fact that multiple courtrooms were closed and locked for the one hearing. Multiple judges permitted the entire situation to occur as it did. THe investigation should have addressed that set of facts and instead gives at least the appearance of impropriety by the bench. Dave Rosenberg is certainly not “stupid” but he did leave a glaring hole in his first act as presiding judge on a major controversial matter.
This Grand Jury report should result in an independent investigation into the city staff, all elected officials who owe big allegiance to the union’s money and political activism, the fire department management and the union.
While we’re at it, why not look at the DA’s office for that taxpayer financed helicopter ride for the DA and his favorite lieutenant whithin hours of the last cop killer sentencing? CHP supposedly gave them a private ride-along as high flying observers to “escort” the killer’s van to prison. Someone has been showing the big grin “thumbs up” photo of the DA over San Quentin around the office. Someone thought ahead to bring a camera for pete’s sake!It’s one thing to show solidarity with the fellow officers of the slain officer, it’s another to grandstand at taxpayer expense. The photo op is just tacky. Will we pay for another helicopter ride when and if this cop killer is convicted and sentenced?
This is supposedly no longer a small town, good ‘ol boy, back woods county. That seems belied by recent events. The Sheriff, the Courts, the DA, and now Davis Fire Department – what are we paying for?
Yolo county is embarrassing at times. We live in those times.
I certainly hope that an outside, independent investigation ensues. I, for one, would not want ANYONE – ombudsman or not – who is in any way associatd with the city looking into this. Otherwise, the investigation will have no credibility to many people, me included.
In another case giving Yolo County a black eye, the Bee reported today there will now be an independent outside investigation of the situation at the courthouse where the doors were locked in one key courtroom for a “public” hearing, and the internal investigation of it pointed the finger at only the Sheriff’s department. Sure, the Sheriff’s Department locked the courtroom to all but those they wanted – and graciously unlocked the door for Prieto and the DA. Sadly, that court’s internal investigation ignored the fact that multiple courtrooms were closed and locked for the one hearing. Multiple judges permitted the entire situation to occur as it did. THe investigation should have addressed that set of facts and instead gives at least the appearance of impropriety by the bench. Dave Rosenberg is certainly not “stupid” but he did leave a glaring hole in his first act as presiding judge on a major controversial matter.
This Grand Jury report should result in an independent investigation into the city staff, all elected officials who owe big allegiance to the union’s money and political activism, the fire department management and the union.
While we’re at it, why not look at the DA’s office for that taxpayer financed helicopter ride for the DA and his favorite lieutenant whithin hours of the last cop killer sentencing? CHP supposedly gave them a private ride-along as high flying observers to “escort” the killer’s van to prison. Someone has been showing the big grin “thumbs up” photo of the DA over San Quentin around the office. Someone thought ahead to bring a camera for pete’s sake!It’s one thing to show solidarity with the fellow officers of the slain officer, it’s another to grandstand at taxpayer expense. The photo op is just tacky. Will we pay for another helicopter ride when and if this cop killer is convicted and sentenced?
This is supposedly no longer a small town, good ‘ol boy, back woods county. That seems belied by recent events. The Sheriff, the Courts, the DA, and now Davis Fire Department – what are we paying for?
Yolo county is embarrassing at times. We live in those times.
I certainly hope that an outside, independent investigation ensues. I, for one, would not want ANYONE – ombudsman or not – who is in any way associatd with the city looking into this. Otherwise, the investigation will have no credibility to many people, me included.
In another case giving Yolo County a black eye, the Bee reported today there will now be an independent outside investigation of the situation at the courthouse where the doors were locked in one key courtroom for a “public” hearing, and the internal investigation of it pointed the finger at only the Sheriff’s department. Sure, the Sheriff’s Department locked the courtroom to all but those they wanted – and graciously unlocked the door for Prieto and the DA. Sadly, that court’s internal investigation ignored the fact that multiple courtrooms were closed and locked for the one hearing. Multiple judges permitted the entire situation to occur as it did. THe investigation should have addressed that set of facts and instead gives at least the appearance of impropriety by the bench. Dave Rosenberg is certainly not “stupid” but he did leave a glaring hole in his first act as presiding judge on a major controversial matter.
This Grand Jury report should result in an independent investigation into the city staff, all elected officials who owe big allegiance to the union’s money and political activism, the fire department management and the union.
While we’re at it, why not look at the DA’s office for that taxpayer financed helicopter ride for the DA and his favorite lieutenant whithin hours of the last cop killer sentencing? CHP supposedly gave them a private ride-along as high flying observers to “escort” the killer’s van to prison. Someone has been showing the big grin “thumbs up” photo of the DA over San Quentin around the office. Someone thought ahead to bring a camera for pete’s sake!It’s one thing to show solidarity with the fellow officers of the slain officer, it’s another to grandstand at taxpayer expense. The photo op is just tacky. Will we pay for another helicopter ride when and if this cop killer is convicted and sentenced?
This is supposedly no longer a small town, good ‘ol boy, back woods county. That seems belied by recent events. The Sheriff, the Courts, the DA, and now Davis Fire Department – what are we paying for?
Yolo county is embarrassing at times. We live in those times.
“Drinking downtown then sleeping it off at the fire station.” Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”? I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here? A technicality that one can use as a soap box or an exercise in good judgment on the fire chief’s part in letting her subordinates know that if there’s no other way for you to get home safely, come to the fire station as the last resort.
“Drinking downtown then sleeping it off at the fire station.” Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”? I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here? A technicality that one can use as a soap box or an exercise in good judgment on the fire chief’s part in letting her subordinates know that if there’s no other way for you to get home safely, come to the fire station as the last resort.
“Drinking downtown then sleeping it off at the fire station.” Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”? I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here? A technicality that one can use as a soap box or an exercise in good judgment on the fire chief’s part in letting her subordinates know that if there’s no other way for you to get home safely, come to the fire station as the last resort.
“Drinking downtown then sleeping it off at the fire station.” Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”? I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here? A technicality that one can use as a soap box or an exercise in good judgment on the fire chief’s part in letting her subordinates know that if there’s no other way for you to get home safely, come to the fire station as the last resort.
Exoneration my ass. Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that the fire department is guilty without hearing both sides of the story. It’s like accusing your neighbor as a child molester based on another neighbor who didn’t like the way the accused talk to him last weekend. Tell me honestly, how easy is it going to be for the accused to shake off the label of being a child molester?
The difference here is that the accused can actually sue the accuser for slander and no one can sue the grand jury for libel… or can they?
Exoneration my ass. Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that the fire department is guilty without hearing both sides of the story. It’s like accusing your neighbor as a child molester based on another neighbor who didn’t like the way the accused talk to him last weekend. Tell me honestly, how easy is it going to be for the accused to shake off the label of being a child molester?
The difference here is that the accused can actually sue the accuser for slander and no one can sue the grand jury for libel… or can they?
Exoneration my ass. Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that the fire department is guilty without hearing both sides of the story. It’s like accusing your neighbor as a child molester based on another neighbor who didn’t like the way the accused talk to him last weekend. Tell me honestly, how easy is it going to be for the accused to shake off the label of being a child molester?
The difference here is that the accused can actually sue the accuser for slander and no one can sue the grand jury for libel… or can they?
Exoneration my ass. Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that the fire department is guilty without hearing both sides of the story. It’s like accusing your neighbor as a child molester based on another neighbor who didn’t like the way the accused talk to him last weekend. Tell me honestly, how easy is it going to be for the accused to shake off the label of being a child molester?
The difference here is that the accused can actually sue the accuser for slander and no one can sue the grand jury for libel… or can they?
Anon 10:58 it is the hatred that some of the constant posters of this blog that blinds them to what is very bad or what is just inappropriate.
Anon 10:58 it is the hatred that some of the constant posters of this blog that blinds them to what is very bad or what is just inappropriate.
Anon 10:58 it is the hatred that some of the constant posters of this blog that blinds them to what is very bad or what is just inappropriate.
Anon 10:58 it is the hatred that some of the constant posters of this blog that blinds them to what is very bad or what is just inappropriate.
“Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”?”
How about the fire fighters not drink until they are intoxicated? How about the fire fighters do like the rest of us and either have a friend drive them home or take a cab? The city code specifically states: “being under the influence during work hours, at the work site, or in uniform.” To me I read that at the work site–i.e. city property–is not conditioned upon then being on duty at the time. The public does not pay for those premises for fire fighters to sleep off their alcoholic stupor.
“Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”?”
How about the fire fighters not drink until they are intoxicated? How about the fire fighters do like the rest of us and either have a friend drive them home or take a cab? The city code specifically states: “being under the influence during work hours, at the work site, or in uniform.” To me I read that at the work site–i.e. city property–is not conditioned upon then being on duty at the time. The public does not pay for those premises for fire fighters to sleep off their alcoholic stupor.
“Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”?”
How about the fire fighters not drink until they are intoxicated? How about the fire fighters do like the rest of us and either have a friend drive them home or take a cab? The city code specifically states: “being under the influence during work hours, at the work site, or in uniform.” To me I read that at the work site–i.e. city property–is not conditioned upon then being on duty at the time. The public does not pay for those premises for fire fighters to sleep off their alcoholic stupor.
“Would you rather read the above headline or one that reads,”Firefighters caught drinking and driving and kills a family of four”?”
How about the fire fighters not drink until they are intoxicated? How about the fire fighters do like the rest of us and either have a friend drive them home or take a cab? The city code specifically states: “being under the influence during work hours, at the work site, or in uniform.” To me I read that at the work site–i.e. city property–is not conditioned upon then being on duty at the time. The public does not pay for those premises for fire fighters to sleep off their alcoholic stupor.
Anon 11:28:
You are absolutely right! Meantime, if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander so let all the downtown drinkers sleep it off at the firehouse! Make that the local drunk tank. Or encourage the cops to arrest the drunk firefighters for public intox.
Anon 11:28:
You are absolutely right! Meantime, if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander so let all the downtown drinkers sleep it off at the firehouse! Make that the local drunk tank. Or encourage the cops to arrest the drunk firefighters for public intox.
Anon 11:28:
You are absolutely right! Meantime, if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander so let all the downtown drinkers sleep it off at the firehouse! Make that the local drunk tank. Or encourage the cops to arrest the drunk firefighters for public intox.
Anon 11:28:
You are absolutely right! Meantime, if it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander so let all the downtown drinkers sleep it off at the firehouse! Make that the local drunk tank. Or encourage the cops to arrest the drunk firefighters for public intox.
We the taxpayers are not responsible for paying for a fire station where fire fighters can “sleep off” their night out on the town.
What’s next? A police department where police officers sleep off a night out on the town?
City Hall that is open to staff, elected officials and others who can sleep of a “night on the town?”
Like all other responsible citizens who decide to enjoy a “night out on the town” and may have too much to drink the FF can either take a cab home, call a friend for a ride, or arrange to have a designated driver in advance.
If there is a problem (as in drinking problem) then they need to get help, but we should not be allowing this on the premises of the fire station. It’s straightforward and clear to those of us who pay taxes in this city.
We the taxpayers are not responsible for paying for a fire station where fire fighters can “sleep off” their night out on the town.
What’s next? A police department where police officers sleep off a night out on the town?
City Hall that is open to staff, elected officials and others who can sleep of a “night on the town?”
Like all other responsible citizens who decide to enjoy a “night out on the town” and may have too much to drink the FF can either take a cab home, call a friend for a ride, or arrange to have a designated driver in advance.
If there is a problem (as in drinking problem) then they need to get help, but we should not be allowing this on the premises of the fire station. It’s straightforward and clear to those of us who pay taxes in this city.
We the taxpayers are not responsible for paying for a fire station where fire fighters can “sleep off” their night out on the town.
What’s next? A police department where police officers sleep off a night out on the town?
City Hall that is open to staff, elected officials and others who can sleep of a “night on the town?”
Like all other responsible citizens who decide to enjoy a “night out on the town” and may have too much to drink the FF can either take a cab home, call a friend for a ride, or arrange to have a designated driver in advance.
If there is a problem (as in drinking problem) then they need to get help, but we should not be allowing this on the premises of the fire station. It’s straightforward and clear to those of us who pay taxes in this city.
We the taxpayers are not responsible for paying for a fire station where fire fighters can “sleep off” their night out on the town.
What’s next? A police department where police officers sleep off a night out on the town?
City Hall that is open to staff, elected officials and others who can sleep of a “night on the town?”
Like all other responsible citizens who decide to enjoy a “night out on the town” and may have too much to drink the FF can either take a cab home, call a friend for a ride, or arrange to have a designated driver in advance.
If there is a problem (as in drinking problem) then they need to get help, but we should not be allowing this on the premises of the fire station. It’s straightforward and clear to those of us who pay taxes in this city.
“A witch hunt is not what we need, just someone who is not predisposed to back the city at all costs.”
Witch hunt? Isn’t that what this blog and comments section specialize in?
“A witch hunt is not what we need, just someone who is not predisposed to back the city at all costs.”
Witch hunt? Isn’t that what this blog and comments section specialize in?
“A witch hunt is not what we need, just someone who is not predisposed to back the city at all costs.”
Witch hunt? Isn’t that what this blog and comments section specialize in?
“A witch hunt is not what we need, just someone who is not predisposed to back the city at all costs.”
Witch hunt? Isn’t that what this blog and comments section specialize in?
Anonymous:
One of the reason I started this blog is because I believe for too long in this town, these types of things have been covered up and buried. So my modus has always been to report on what I hear, expose what I think is wrong, and let the chips fall where it may.
You can call that a witch hunt, but unfortunately that seems to be what it takes to get things to the light of day, and even then they manage to bury more of it than would be optimal.
If the local newspaper and public officials did their jobs, there would be no need for these type of “witch hunts.”
Anonymous:
One of the reason I started this blog is because I believe for too long in this town, these types of things have been covered up and buried. So my modus has always been to report on what I hear, expose what I think is wrong, and let the chips fall where it may.
You can call that a witch hunt, but unfortunately that seems to be what it takes to get things to the light of day, and even then they manage to bury more of it than would be optimal.
If the local newspaper and public officials did their jobs, there would be no need for these type of “witch hunts.”
Anonymous:
One of the reason I started this blog is because I believe for too long in this town, these types of things have been covered up and buried. So my modus has always been to report on what I hear, expose what I think is wrong, and let the chips fall where it may.
You can call that a witch hunt, but unfortunately that seems to be what it takes to get things to the light of day, and even then they manage to bury more of it than would be optimal.
If the local newspaper and public officials did their jobs, there would be no need for these type of “witch hunts.”
Anonymous:
One of the reason I started this blog is because I believe for too long in this town, these types of things have been covered up and buried. So my modus has always been to report on what I hear, expose what I think is wrong, and let the chips fall where it may.
You can call that a witch hunt, but unfortunately that seems to be what it takes to get things to the light of day, and even then they manage to bury more of it than would be optimal.
If the local newspaper and public officials did their jobs, there would be no need for these type of “witch hunts.”
The problem with an independent investigation is that the testimony is not bound to secrecy or taken under oath. Are the employees going to feel ok about whistleblowing when their names could get passed along with no recourse for the person leaking info? With the Grand Jury people feel their identity is more protected because not only the interviewee is bound to secrecy but so is the Grand Jury themselves. Good luck getting any of them to talk to anyone associated with the city. Also such records and testimony could be outed via subpoena, where at the Grand Jury it is nearly impossible.
I feel much better hearing the Grand Jury say this is what people are saying under oath during testimony. Not just one person but at least three have to concur on each item in the report.
Now getting answers on someone getting promoted that scored at the bottom of the testing scale should be easy to prove because that is in black and white.
The problem with an independent investigation is that the testimony is not bound to secrecy or taken under oath. Are the employees going to feel ok about whistleblowing when their names could get passed along with no recourse for the person leaking info? With the Grand Jury people feel their identity is more protected because not only the interviewee is bound to secrecy but so is the Grand Jury themselves. Good luck getting any of them to talk to anyone associated with the city. Also such records and testimony could be outed via subpoena, where at the Grand Jury it is nearly impossible.
I feel much better hearing the Grand Jury say this is what people are saying under oath during testimony. Not just one person but at least three have to concur on each item in the report.
Now getting answers on someone getting promoted that scored at the bottom of the testing scale should be easy to prove because that is in black and white.
The problem with an independent investigation is that the testimony is not bound to secrecy or taken under oath. Are the employees going to feel ok about whistleblowing when their names could get passed along with no recourse for the person leaking info? With the Grand Jury people feel their identity is more protected because not only the interviewee is bound to secrecy but so is the Grand Jury themselves. Good luck getting any of them to talk to anyone associated with the city. Also such records and testimony could be outed via subpoena, where at the Grand Jury it is nearly impossible.
I feel much better hearing the Grand Jury say this is what people are saying under oath during testimony. Not just one person but at least three have to concur on each item in the report.
Now getting answers on someone getting promoted that scored at the bottom of the testing scale should be easy to prove because that is in black and white.
The problem with an independent investigation is that the testimony is not bound to secrecy or taken under oath. Are the employees going to feel ok about whistleblowing when their names could get passed along with no recourse for the person leaking info? With the Grand Jury people feel their identity is more protected because not only the interviewee is bound to secrecy but so is the Grand Jury themselves. Good luck getting any of them to talk to anyone associated with the city. Also such records and testimony could be outed via subpoena, where at the Grand Jury it is nearly impossible.
I feel much better hearing the Grand Jury say this is what people are saying under oath during testimony. Not just one person but at least three have to concur on each item in the report.
Now getting answers on someone getting promoted that scored at the bottom of the testing scale should be easy to prove because that is in black and white.
Good points Anonymous 12:28. The problem is that I don’t see the GJ report itself being actionable. I would imagine that an investigator could protect the identity of individuals who come forward just as they can in other situations. Whether they can get individuals to come forward is another story.
Good points Anonymous 12:28. The problem is that I don’t see the GJ report itself being actionable. I would imagine that an investigator could protect the identity of individuals who come forward just as they can in other situations. Whether they can get individuals to come forward is another story.
Good points Anonymous 12:28. The problem is that I don’t see the GJ report itself being actionable. I would imagine that an investigator could protect the identity of individuals who come forward just as they can in other situations. Whether they can get individuals to come forward is another story.
Good points Anonymous 12:28. The problem is that I don’t see the GJ report itself being actionable. I would imagine that an investigator could protect the identity of individuals who come forward just as they can in other situations. Whether they can get individuals to come forward is another story.
No need to apologize DPD. What some call witch hunts we call accountability. If the Vanguard did not cover these stories we would not know what is going on in this city. Keep up the good work.
No need to apologize DPD. What some call witch hunts we call accountability. If the Vanguard did not cover these stories we would not know what is going on in this city. Keep up the good work.
No need to apologize DPD. What some call witch hunts we call accountability. If the Vanguard did not cover these stories we would not know what is going on in this city. Keep up the good work.
No need to apologize DPD. What some call witch hunts we call accountability. If the Vanguard did not cover these stories we would not know what is going on in this city. Keep up the good work.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD. The problem there, is they have no other board above them. As long as they have the final say so, then they can easily just say the Grand Jury is full of crap and that is the end of the story. Hopefully in that case, the DA will impose the sanctions requested. I find it troublesome that more people are not angry about the Brown Act violations, that is the basic foundation of democracy. Hiding things in closed session does nothing good for the community.
The Grand Jury can, and I wish they would in the future, publish their evidence that is in black and white, or otherwise public records that others just do not know exist. This would at least give some validaition to some of their initial findings, so the rest is just easy to believe.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD. The problem there, is they have no other board above them. As long as they have the final say so, then they can easily just say the Grand Jury is full of crap and that is the end of the story. Hopefully in that case, the DA will impose the sanctions requested. I find it troublesome that more people are not angry about the Brown Act violations, that is the basic foundation of democracy. Hiding things in closed session does nothing good for the community.
The Grand Jury can, and I wish they would in the future, publish their evidence that is in black and white, or otherwise public records that others just do not know exist. This would at least give some validaition to some of their initial findings, so the rest is just easy to believe.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD. The problem there, is they have no other board above them. As long as they have the final say so, then they can easily just say the Grand Jury is full of crap and that is the end of the story. Hopefully in that case, the DA will impose the sanctions requested. I find it troublesome that more people are not angry about the Brown Act violations, that is the basic foundation of democracy. Hiding things in closed session does nothing good for the community.
The Grand Jury can, and I wish they would in the future, publish their evidence that is in black and white, or otherwise public records that others just do not know exist. This would at least give some validaition to some of their initial findings, so the rest is just easy to believe.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD. The problem there, is they have no other board above them. As long as they have the final say so, then they can easily just say the Grand Jury is full of crap and that is the end of the story. Hopefully in that case, the DA will impose the sanctions requested. I find it troublesome that more people are not angry about the Brown Act violations, that is the basic foundation of democracy. Hiding things in closed session does nothing good for the community.
The Grand Jury can, and I wish they would in the future, publish their evidence that is in black and white, or otherwise public records that others just do not know exist. This would at least give some validaition to some of their initial findings, so the rest is just easy to believe.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD.
Good point. But keep in mind that there is a recall effort going on in Woodland as well. Brown act violations, among other things, can clearly erode trust in publicly elected officials. That recall effort now has some pretty solid documentation of violations to get upset over. It will be interesting to see what happens with that effort and how the GJ report contributed to that. Functionally, the recall is the teeth or threat.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD.
Good point. But keep in mind that there is a recall effort going on in Woodland as well. Brown act violations, among other things, can clearly erode trust in publicly elected officials. That recall effort now has some pretty solid documentation of violations to get upset over. It will be interesting to see what happens with that effort and how the GJ report contributed to that. Functionally, the recall is the teeth or threat.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD.
Good point. But keep in mind that there is a recall effort going on in Woodland as well. Brown act violations, among other things, can clearly erode trust in publicly elected officials. That recall effort now has some pretty solid documentation of violations to get upset over. It will be interesting to see what happens with that effort and how the GJ report contributed to that. Functionally, the recall is the teeth or threat.
That is the one problem with the Grand Jury. There really is no teeth to their reports. They can out problems and bring attention to it through their reports, but it comes down to the sitting board in charge to make the changes. The same problem is going on at the WJUSD.
Good point. But keep in mind that there is a recall effort going on in Woodland as well. Brown act violations, among other things, can clearly erode trust in publicly elected officials. That recall effort now has some pretty solid documentation of violations to get upset over. It will be interesting to see what happens with that effort and how the GJ report contributed to that. Functionally, the recall is the teeth or threat.
If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.
This circumstance is not the fault of the firefighter but the fault of politicians and community members that over empower all public safety employees.
If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.
This circumstance is not the fault of the firefighter but the fault of politicians and community members that over empower all public safety employees.
If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.
This circumstance is not the fault of the firefighter but the fault of politicians and community members that over empower all public safety employees.
If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.
This circumstance is not the fault of the firefighter but the fault of politicians and community members that over empower all public safety employees.
What I love best is how DPD has justified his cause and his purpose as a witch hunt. How rich–and accurate!–is that?!
The “witch hunt” gives you the slippery latitude to shift between so-called objectivity and your hatchet jobs. Oh, thank you, witch crusader!
And no, I do not work for the Davis Fire Department.
In a word, you’re a hack, Greenwald.
What I love best is how DPD has justified his cause and his purpose as a witch hunt. How rich–and accurate!–is that?!
The “witch hunt” gives you the slippery latitude to shift between so-called objectivity and your hatchet jobs. Oh, thank you, witch crusader!
And no, I do not work for the Davis Fire Department.
In a word, you’re a hack, Greenwald.
What I love best is how DPD has justified his cause and his purpose as a witch hunt. How rich–and accurate!–is that?!
The “witch hunt” gives you the slippery latitude to shift between so-called objectivity and your hatchet jobs. Oh, thank you, witch crusader!
And no, I do not work for the Davis Fire Department.
In a word, you’re a hack, Greenwald.
What I love best is how DPD has justified his cause and his purpose as a witch hunt. How rich–and accurate!–is that?!
The “witch hunt” gives you the slippery latitude to shift between so-called objectivity and your hatchet jobs. Oh, thank you, witch crusader!
And no, I do not work for the Davis Fire Department.
In a word, you’re a hack, Greenwald.
I find it interesting the number of people who come on here, insult the writer, and yet they seem to keep coming back. If he’s a hack, why do you bother?
I find it interesting the number of people who come on here, insult the writer, and yet they seem to keep coming back. If he’s a hack, why do you bother?
I find it interesting the number of people who come on here, insult the writer, and yet they seem to keep coming back. If he’s a hack, why do you bother?
I find it interesting the number of people who come on here, insult the writer, and yet they seem to keep coming back. If he’s a hack, why do you bother?
Anonymous 3:34 PM, You said, “If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.”
The problem isn’t the Davis Fire Department or unions for that matter. It appears from the Grand Jury report that the problem stems from poor management by the Fire Chief and poor decisions and pressure from the DFD union president Bobby Weist.
The very people that spoke about these conditions were either former or current employees and there needs to be assurance that with an independent investigation they will be protected.
Anonymous 3:34 PM, You said, “If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.”
The problem isn’t the Davis Fire Department or unions for that matter. It appears from the Grand Jury report that the problem stems from poor management by the Fire Chief and poor decisions and pressure from the DFD union president Bobby Weist.
The very people that spoke about these conditions were either former or current employees and there needs to be assurance that with an independent investigation they will be protected.
Anonymous 3:34 PM, You said, “If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.”
The problem isn’t the Davis Fire Department or unions for that matter. It appears from the Grand Jury report that the problem stems from poor management by the Fire Chief and poor decisions and pressure from the DFD union president Bobby Weist.
The very people that spoke about these conditions were either former or current employees and there needs to be assurance that with an independent investigation they will be protected.
Anonymous 3:34 PM, You said, “If you look close enough you will find that the DFD is a union run shop that abuses good employees and supports abusers of the system.”
The problem isn’t the Davis Fire Department or unions for that matter. It appears from the Grand Jury report that the problem stems from poor management by the Fire Chief and poor decisions and pressure from the DFD union president Bobby Weist.
The very people that spoke about these conditions were either former or current employees and there needs to be assurance that with an independent investigation they will be protected.
Hey 3:47 anonymous – What are you hiding from? You call DPD a hacker and you can’t even post your name? What are you afraid of?
Did he catch you in one of his stories over the last year?
Hey 3:47 anonymous – What are you hiding from? You call DPD a hacker and you can’t even post your name? What are you afraid of?
Did he catch you in one of his stories over the last year?
Hey 3:47 anonymous – What are you hiding from? You call DPD a hacker and you can’t even post your name? What are you afraid of?
Did he catch you in one of his stories over the last year?
Hey 3:47 anonymous – What are you hiding from? You call DPD a hacker and you can’t even post your name? What are you afraid of?
Did he catch you in one of his stories over the last year?
“I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here?”
The firemen are paid a lot of money. They can afford a taxi or a hotel room when they are blotto.
“I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here?”
The firemen are paid a lot of money. They can afford a taxi or a hotel room when they are blotto.
“I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here?”
The firemen are paid a lot of money. They can afford a taxi or a hotel room when they are blotto.
“I believe the intent of the city code is not to have employees under the influence while working. No Davis Firefighters has ever been accused of drinking on the job. What is the problem here?”
The firemen are paid a lot of money. They can afford a taxi or a hotel room when they are blotto.
Heystek jumped on a ‘progressive’ bandwagon? How can this be? he never does that!?
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Heystek jumped on a ‘progressive’ bandwagon? How can this be? he never does that!?
Oh…wait…
Heystek jumped on a ‘progressive’ bandwagon? How can this be? he never does that!?
Oh…wait…
Heystek jumped on a ‘progressive’ bandwagon? How can this be? he never does that!?
Oh…wait…
Jim Stevens definitely is a knob. A Republican knob. And he cost us $600,000 in taxpayer money over his sex harassment case. Thanks, Republican Knobaliscious Knob!
Jim Stevens definitely is a knob. A Republican knob. And he cost us $600,000 in taxpayer money over his sex harassment case. Thanks, Republican Knobaliscious Knob!
Jim Stevens definitely is a knob. A Republican knob. And he cost us $600,000 in taxpayer money over his sex harassment case. Thanks, Republican Knobaliscious Knob!
Jim Stevens definitely is a knob. A Republican knob. And he cost us $600,000 in taxpayer money over his sex harassment case. Thanks, Republican Knobaliscious Knob!
From a union worker’s point of view, it’s a hell of lot easier to work together with the management than it is to fight with them all the time. Higher productivity and higher morale for the work place. It’s impossible not to have a few disgruntled employees in the mix of any organization. Three current and or past employees out of 50 sounds like someone had an axe to grind. Complaining to 19 ordinary, I’m sorry, concerned citizens’ time to settle some school yard squabbles which was probably already settled over a decade ago seems more waste than anything else.
From a union worker’s point of view, it’s a hell of lot easier to work together with the management than it is to fight with them all the time. Higher productivity and higher morale for the work place. It’s impossible not to have a few disgruntled employees in the mix of any organization. Three current and or past employees out of 50 sounds like someone had an axe to grind. Complaining to 19 ordinary, I’m sorry, concerned citizens’ time to settle some school yard squabbles which was probably already settled over a decade ago seems more waste than anything else.
From a union worker’s point of view, it’s a hell of lot easier to work together with the management than it is to fight with them all the time. Higher productivity and higher morale for the work place. It’s impossible not to have a few disgruntled employees in the mix of any organization. Three current and or past employees out of 50 sounds like someone had an axe to grind. Complaining to 19 ordinary, I’m sorry, concerned citizens’ time to settle some school yard squabbles which was probably already settled over a decade ago seems more waste than anything else.
From a union worker’s point of view, it’s a hell of lot easier to work together with the management than it is to fight with them all the time. Higher productivity and higher morale for the work place. It’s impossible not to have a few disgruntled employees in the mix of any organization. Three current and or past employees out of 50 sounds like someone had an axe to grind. Complaining to 19 ordinary, I’m sorry, concerned citizens’ time to settle some school yard squabbles which was probably already settled over a decade ago seems more waste than anything else.
sleeping at the fire house? Last resort people, LAST RESORT.
sleeping at the fire house? Last resort people, LAST RESORT.
sleeping at the fire house? Last resort people, LAST RESORT.
sleeping at the fire house? Last resort people, LAST RESORT.
Working with the boss instead of against the boss is a good thing, but selling out co-workers to get ahead for ones own career advancement is not good and is very serious. Employees are afraid to speak up because of this.
The findings read like the chief was doing favors for Bobbie and in turn Bobbie was doing favors for the Fire Chief.
What an expensive squabble $600,000!!! This is more than a bunch of disgruntled employees. This involves:
1) Favoritism
2) Not complying with proper promotional opportunities and career advancement
3) Using the fire department as a place to sober up
4) Harassment
5) Creating a hostile work environment
6) Loss of credibility to the DFD and potential higher insurance costs to the city and ultimately us, the tax payers that live IN THE CITY OF DAVIS.
Working with the boss instead of against the boss is a good thing, but selling out co-workers to get ahead for ones own career advancement is not good and is very serious. Employees are afraid to speak up because of this.
The findings read like the chief was doing favors for Bobbie and in turn Bobbie was doing favors for the Fire Chief.
What an expensive squabble $600,000!!! This is more than a bunch of disgruntled employees. This involves:
1) Favoritism
2) Not complying with proper promotional opportunities and career advancement
3) Using the fire department as a place to sober up
4) Harassment
5) Creating a hostile work environment
6) Loss of credibility to the DFD and potential higher insurance costs to the city and ultimately us, the tax payers that live IN THE CITY OF DAVIS.
Working with the boss instead of against the boss is a good thing, but selling out co-workers to get ahead for ones own career advancement is not good and is very serious. Employees are afraid to speak up because of this.
The findings read like the chief was doing favors for Bobbie and in turn Bobbie was doing favors for the Fire Chief.
What an expensive squabble $600,000!!! This is more than a bunch of disgruntled employees. This involves:
1) Favoritism
2) Not complying with proper promotional opportunities and career advancement
3) Using the fire department as a place to sober up
4) Harassment
5) Creating a hostile work environment
6) Loss of credibility to the DFD and potential higher insurance costs to the city and ultimately us, the tax payers that live IN THE CITY OF DAVIS.
Working with the boss instead of against the boss is a good thing, but selling out co-workers to get ahead for ones own career advancement is not good and is very serious. Employees are afraid to speak up because of this.
The findings read like the chief was doing favors for Bobbie and in turn Bobbie was doing favors for the Fire Chief.
What an expensive squabble $600,000!!! This is more than a bunch of disgruntled employees. This involves:
1) Favoritism
2) Not complying with proper promotional opportunities and career advancement
3) Using the fire department as a place to sober up
4) Harassment
5) Creating a hostile work environment
6) Loss of credibility to the DFD and potential higher insurance costs to the city and ultimately us, the tax payers that live IN THE CITY OF DAVIS.
I wonder if the grand jury can help me write something “official” about my sister who got better stuff after my mom died ten years ago? Even though, I didn’t really want the stuff she got, I just want her to know I am really mad which she already knows.
To help me back up my story, the GJ can talk to my brother who also felt slighted when the will was read. I know there was a living trust and everthing was legally binding. But dammit, there’s got to be something I can do…
I wonder if the grand jury can help me write something “official” about my sister who got better stuff after my mom died ten years ago? Even though, I didn’t really want the stuff she got, I just want her to know I am really mad which she already knows.
To help me back up my story, the GJ can talk to my brother who also felt slighted when the will was read. I know there was a living trust and everthing was legally binding. But dammit, there’s got to be something I can do…
I wonder if the grand jury can help me write something “official” about my sister who got better stuff after my mom died ten years ago? Even though, I didn’t really want the stuff she got, I just want her to know I am really mad which she already knows.
To help me back up my story, the GJ can talk to my brother who also felt slighted when the will was read. I know there was a living trust and everthing was legally binding. But dammit, there’s got to be something I can do…
I wonder if the grand jury can help me write something “official” about my sister who got better stuff after my mom died ten years ago? Even though, I didn’t really want the stuff she got, I just want her to know I am really mad which she already knows.
To help me back up my story, the GJ can talk to my brother who also felt slighted when the will was read. I know there was a living trust and everthing was legally binding. But dammit, there’s got to be something I can do…
I am concerned that fire fighters are getting drunk that often. If a fire fighter is drunk on a Saturday night, how are they going to be ready to go to work the next day with a probable hangover? Very unprofessional, especially in light of the salary they are getting paid.
Good story DPD. If you had not reported it in your blog first, I have to wonder if the Davis Enterprise would have even bothered at all.
I am concerned that fire fighters are getting drunk that often. If a fire fighter is drunk on a Saturday night, how are they going to be ready to go to work the next day with a probable hangover? Very unprofessional, especially in light of the salary they are getting paid.
Good story DPD. If you had not reported it in your blog first, I have to wonder if the Davis Enterprise would have even bothered at all.
I am concerned that fire fighters are getting drunk that often. If a fire fighter is drunk on a Saturday night, how are they going to be ready to go to work the next day with a probable hangover? Very unprofessional, especially in light of the salary they are getting paid.
Good story DPD. If you had not reported it in your blog first, I have to wonder if the Davis Enterprise would have even bothered at all.
I am concerned that fire fighters are getting drunk that often. If a fire fighter is drunk on a Saturday night, how are they going to be ready to go to work the next day with a probable hangover? Very unprofessional, especially in light of the salary they are getting paid.
Good story DPD. If you had not reported it in your blog first, I have to wonder if the Davis Enterprise would have even bothered at all.
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.
Anonymous 7:45pm. Might be right on the money with that axe to grind. The report sounds like a school yard dodgeball fight and the loser took it to his homeroom mom. Why would someone park blocks from a proceeding they were required to attend? When a grand jury subpoenas a person they must comply (or be Cheney or Rove). When allegations involve firefighters, isn’t there an expectation firefighters will be called to testify?
Also sounds like stop the excuses was passed over for a promotion and took it as a personal attack rather than their possible professional shortcommings.
And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.
Anonymous 7:45pm. Might be right on the money with that axe to grind. The report sounds like a school yard dodgeball fight and the loser took it to his homeroom mom. Why would someone park blocks from a proceeding they were required to attend? When a grand jury subpoenas a person they must comply (or be Cheney or Rove). When allegations involve firefighters, isn’t there an expectation firefighters will be called to testify?
Also sounds like stop the excuses was passed over for a promotion and took it as a personal attack rather than their possible professional shortcommings.
And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.
Anonymous 7:45pm. Might be right on the money with that axe to grind. The report sounds like a school yard dodgeball fight and the loser took it to his homeroom mom. Why would someone park blocks from a proceeding they were required to attend? When a grand jury subpoenas a person they must comply (or be Cheney or Rove). When allegations involve firefighters, isn’t there an expectation firefighters will be called to testify?
Also sounds like stop the excuses was passed over for a promotion and took it as a personal attack rather than their possible professional shortcommings.
And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.
Anonymous 7:45pm. Might be right on the money with that axe to grind. The report sounds like a school yard dodgeball fight and the loser took it to his homeroom mom. Why would someone park blocks from a proceeding they were required to attend? When a grand jury subpoenas a person they must comply (or be Cheney or Rove). When allegations involve firefighters, isn’t there an expectation firefighters will be called to testify?
Also sounds like stop the excuses was passed over for a promotion and took it as a personal attack rather than their possible professional shortcommings.
And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.
“Where do you get $600,000?”
From the Grand Jury Report:
“During the incumbency of the current Fire Chief, there have been three lawsuits concerning harassment and a hostile work environment. One case was dropped due to procedural deficiency. Two of these cases were settled out of court; one case for $280,000 and the other reportedly for between $300,000 and $400,000.”
Hence adding those two settlements together you get roughly $600,000.
“How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.”
I have some concern about that myself. That said, you realize that indictments handed down by a grand jury are generally done without giving the accused the chance to respond. The accused gets to respond during the trial but not to the grand jury.
“How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is?”
Most organizations have protocols in place as a means to cover themselves should a complaint arise. IF there is a system of evaluation that appears to be bypassed that would be a red flag for anyone evaluating the system. That’s one of the things that needs to be determined by the independent investigation I would think.
“What about those the majority who are happy working there?”
Let us suppose that there were 40 employees and 39 were happy (sample). The fortieth person alleged a number of practices that were either unethical, discriminatory, or illegal. Is an organization exonerated because 39 are happy? I don’t see it that way. So I think the number of people who are happy are irrelevant to the question of wrongdoing. You can do right by 95% of the employees and still have a problem.
Are they afraid to come forward? They said they were. That certainly bears further scrutiny by the city to determine if their fears are based on actual conditions.
I don’t think you are making excuses, some may be. I do think that these allegations deserve a fair hearing and that we should make a final determination based on evidence.
“Where do you get $600,000?”
From the Grand Jury Report:
“During the incumbency of the current Fire Chief, there have been three lawsuits concerning harassment and a hostile work environment. One case was dropped due to procedural deficiency. Two of these cases were settled out of court; one case for $280,000 and the other reportedly for between $300,000 and $400,000.”
Hence adding those two settlements together you get roughly $600,000.
“How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.”
I have some concern about that myself. That said, you realize that indictments handed down by a grand jury are generally done without giving the accused the chance to respond. The accused gets to respond during the trial but not to the grand jury.
“How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is?”
Most organizations have protocols in place as a means to cover themselves should a complaint arise. IF there is a system of evaluation that appears to be bypassed that would be a red flag for anyone evaluating the system. That’s one of the things that needs to be determined by the independent investigation I would think.
“What about those the majority who are happy working there?”
Let us suppose that there were 40 employees and 39 were happy (sample). The fortieth person alleged a number of practices that were either unethical, discriminatory, or illegal. Is an organization exonerated because 39 are happy? I don’t see it that way. So I think the number of people who are happy are irrelevant to the question of wrongdoing. You can do right by 95% of the employees and still have a problem.
Are they afraid to come forward? They said they were. That certainly bears further scrutiny by the city to determine if their fears are based on actual conditions.
I don’t think you are making excuses, some may be. I do think that these allegations deserve a fair hearing and that we should make a final determination based on evidence.
“Where do you get $600,000?”
From the Grand Jury Report:
“During the incumbency of the current Fire Chief, there have been three lawsuits concerning harassment and a hostile work environment. One case was dropped due to procedural deficiency. Two of these cases were settled out of court; one case for $280,000 and the other reportedly for between $300,000 and $400,000.”
Hence adding those two settlements together you get roughly $600,000.
“How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.”
I have some concern about that myself. That said, you realize that indictments handed down by a grand jury are generally done without giving the accused the chance to respond. The accused gets to respond during the trial but not to the grand jury.
“How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is?”
Most organizations have protocols in place as a means to cover themselves should a complaint arise. IF there is a system of evaluation that appears to be bypassed that would be a red flag for anyone evaluating the system. That’s one of the things that needs to be determined by the independent investigation I would think.
“What about those the majority who are happy working there?”
Let us suppose that there were 40 employees and 39 were happy (sample). The fortieth person alleged a number of practices that were either unethical, discriminatory, or illegal. Is an organization exonerated because 39 are happy? I don’t see it that way. So I think the number of people who are happy are irrelevant to the question of wrongdoing. You can do right by 95% of the employees and still have a problem.
Are they afraid to come forward? They said they were. That certainly bears further scrutiny by the city to determine if their fears are based on actual conditions.
I don’t think you are making excuses, some may be. I do think that these allegations deserve a fair hearing and that we should make a final determination based on evidence.
“Where do you get $600,000?”
From the Grand Jury Report:
“During the incumbency of the current Fire Chief, there have been three lawsuits concerning harassment and a hostile work environment. One case was dropped due to procedural deficiency. Two of these cases were settled out of court; one case for $280,000 and the other reportedly for between $300,000 and $400,000.”
Hence adding those two settlements together you get roughly $600,000.
“How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.”
I have some concern about that myself. That said, you realize that indictments handed down by a grand jury are generally done without giving the accused the chance to respond. The accused gets to respond during the trial but not to the grand jury.
“How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is?”
Most organizations have protocols in place as a means to cover themselves should a complaint arise. IF there is a system of evaluation that appears to be bypassed that would be a red flag for anyone evaluating the system. That’s one of the things that needs to be determined by the independent investigation I would think.
“What about those the majority who are happy working there?”
Let us suppose that there were 40 employees and 39 were happy (sample). The fortieth person alleged a number of practices that were either unethical, discriminatory, or illegal. Is an organization exonerated because 39 are happy? I don’t see it that way. So I think the number of people who are happy are irrelevant to the question of wrongdoing. You can do right by 95% of the employees and still have a problem.
Are they afraid to come forward? They said they were. That certainly bears further scrutiny by the city to determine if their fears are based on actual conditions.
I don’t think you are making excuses, some may be. I do think that these allegations deserve a fair hearing and that we should make a final determination based on evidence.
The union is just doing its job. The department head is the one who has to keep out undo union influence and failed to do so.
The union is just doing its job. The department head is the one who has to keep out undo union influence and failed to do so.
The union is just doing its job. The department head is the one who has to keep out undo union influence and failed to do so.
The union is just doing its job. The department head is the one who has to keep out undo union influence and failed to do so.
This type of problem is not only Davis Fire Department it has become a common problem through out the State. Remember Sacramento Fire and the porn parties. Woodland Fire has had the same problems but not yet discovered. Why all the behavior problems with our local Fire Department. They are all under the same Fire Union and have become power struck and out of control. They can do any thing and get away with it because they control the Local Elected. Check any political contribution list and what do you find the same.(Fire contributions)
Until the public opens their eyes and speak up, this kind behavior will continue.
This type of problem is not only Davis Fire Department it has become a common problem through out the State. Remember Sacramento Fire and the porn parties. Woodland Fire has had the same problems but not yet discovered. Why all the behavior problems with our local Fire Department. They are all under the same Fire Union and have become power struck and out of control. They can do any thing and get away with it because they control the Local Elected. Check any political contribution list and what do you find the same.(Fire contributions)
Until the public opens their eyes and speak up, this kind behavior will continue.
This type of problem is not only Davis Fire Department it has become a common problem through out the State. Remember Sacramento Fire and the porn parties. Woodland Fire has had the same problems but not yet discovered. Why all the behavior problems with our local Fire Department. They are all under the same Fire Union and have become power struck and out of control. They can do any thing and get away with it because they control the Local Elected. Check any political contribution list and what do you find the same.(Fire contributions)
Until the public opens their eyes and speak up, this kind behavior will continue.
This type of problem is not only Davis Fire Department it has become a common problem through out the State. Remember Sacramento Fire and the porn parties. Woodland Fire has had the same problems but not yet discovered. Why all the behavior problems with our local Fire Department. They are all under the same Fire Union and have become power struck and out of control. They can do any thing and get away with it because they control the Local Elected. Check any political contribution list and what do you find the same.(Fire contributions)
Until the public opens their eyes and speak up, this kind behavior will continue.
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1st in conspiracies
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Davis: 1st in bicycles, 2nd in level of education, and…
1st in conspiracies
Funny, funny, funny.
Davis: 1st in bicycles, 2nd in level of education, and…
1st in conspiracies
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Davis: 1st in bicycles, 2nd in level of education, and…
1st in conspiracies
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” have a nice day said…
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.”
I agree that we need to get both sides, and have not heard from Chief Conroy. However, what we do know is that the city has paid out at least $600,000 because of wrongdoing on the part of the DFD. That cannot be explained away. I await with great anticipation the “excuses” we are about to hear, chief among them why the city had to cough up $600,000 or more in lawsuits against the DFD.
“And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.”
If it is often enough they have to use the firehouse as a place to sleep it off, then they are letting their drinking habits interfere with their ability to carry on the activities of daily living, let alone carry on in their professional capacity.
” have a nice day said…
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.”
I agree that we need to get both sides, and have not heard from Chief Conroy. However, what we do know is that the city has paid out at least $600,000 because of wrongdoing on the part of the DFD. That cannot be explained away. I await with great anticipation the “excuses” we are about to hear, chief among them why the city had to cough up $600,000 or more in lawsuits against the DFD.
“And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.”
If it is often enough they have to use the firehouse as a place to sleep it off, then they are letting their drinking habits interfere with their ability to carry on the activities of daily living, let alone carry on in their professional capacity.
” have a nice day said…
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.”
I agree that we need to get both sides, and have not heard from Chief Conroy. However, what we do know is that the city has paid out at least $600,000 because of wrongdoing on the part of the DFD. That cannot be explained away. I await with great anticipation the “excuses” we are about to hear, chief among them why the city had to cough up $600,000 or more in lawsuits against the DFD.
“And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.”
If it is often enough they have to use the firehouse as a place to sleep it off, then they are letting their drinking habits interfere with their ability to carry on the activities of daily living, let alone carry on in their professional capacity.
” have a nice day said…
Stop with the excuses…
1. Where do you get $600,000?
2.How can one call this an investigative report? When the accused never had a chance to answer any of the allegations.
3. How do you know what the proper promotional opportunities and career advancement is? 4.0 GPA students are not guaranteed to the colleges of their choice because there are other considerations.
4. How do you know people are afraid to speak up? Because the person told the GJ? What about those the majority who are happy working there? Did GJ talk to them?
Another words, you can’t base any judgment on this report. These are not excuses… these are facts.”
I agree that we need to get both sides, and have not heard from Chief Conroy. However, what we do know is that the city has paid out at least $600,000 because of wrongdoing on the part of the DFD. That cannot be explained away. I await with great anticipation the “excuses” we are about to hear, chief among them why the city had to cough up $600,000 or more in lawsuits against the DFD.
“And bothered, how do you know how often the firefighters get drunk? Are you a barfly at their local watering hole? Nowhere in that report do I see any mention of hangovers.”
If it is often enough they have to use the firehouse as a place to sleep it off, then they are letting their drinking habits interfere with their ability to carry on the activities of daily living, let alone carry on in their professional capacity.
“1st in conspiracies
Funny, funny, funny.”
You forgot first in dismissing serious allegations and sweeping them under the rug.
“1st in conspiracies
Funny, funny, funny.”
You forgot first in dismissing serious allegations and sweeping them under the rug.
“1st in conspiracies
Funny, funny, funny.”
You forgot first in dismissing serious allegations and sweeping them under the rug.
“1st in conspiracies
Funny, funny, funny.”
You forgot first in dismissing serious allegations and sweeping them under the rug.
Hey waiting, $600,000 is not necessarily because of wrongdoing on the part of DFD. And, our city has insurance for these types of claims. Insurance companies don’t always pay out because of wrongdoings. Maybe it is easier to pay than fight. We hear of those types of settlements all the time. Maybe the year is ending and they just need to close out their books. Just because insurance companies pay, doesn’t mean the insured is in the wrong. Unfortunatley, that becomes the perception.
And your statement about “excuses” already has them pegged as guilty. This is not England where you are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocence. I realize we do live in The People Republic but there is still the presumption of innocence in this country.
Finally, we don’t know how often. Again, and again, and again, it has been hammered into our lives through the media that one drink is too many. Some of these people probably carry a class B license in which a 0.04 BAC is considered under the influence, the same as a boat. THAT IS ONE DRINK! not blotto. With a survey of 98% satisfaction by the people they serve on record, I would say the DFD is doing their job.
Hey waiting, $600,000 is not necessarily because of wrongdoing on the part of DFD. And, our city has insurance for these types of claims. Insurance companies don’t always pay out because of wrongdoings. Maybe it is easier to pay than fight. We hear of those types of settlements all the time. Maybe the year is ending and they just need to close out their books. Just because insurance companies pay, doesn’t mean the insured is in the wrong. Unfortunatley, that becomes the perception.
And your statement about “excuses” already has them pegged as guilty. This is not England where you are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocence. I realize we do live in The People Republic but there is still the presumption of innocence in this country.
Finally, we don’t know how often. Again, and again, and again, it has been hammered into our lives through the media that one drink is too many. Some of these people probably carry a class B license in which a 0.04 BAC is considered under the influence, the same as a boat. THAT IS ONE DRINK! not blotto. With a survey of 98% satisfaction by the people they serve on record, I would say the DFD is doing their job.
Hey waiting, $600,000 is not necessarily because of wrongdoing on the part of DFD. And, our city has insurance for these types of claims. Insurance companies don’t always pay out because of wrongdoings. Maybe it is easier to pay than fight. We hear of those types of settlements all the time. Maybe the year is ending and they just need to close out their books. Just because insurance companies pay, doesn’t mean the insured is in the wrong. Unfortunatley, that becomes the perception.
And your statement about “excuses” already has them pegged as guilty. This is not England where you are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocence. I realize we do live in The People Republic but there is still the presumption of innocence in this country.
Finally, we don’t know how often. Again, and again, and again, it has been hammered into our lives through the media that one drink is too many. Some of these people probably carry a class B license in which a 0.04 BAC is considered under the influence, the same as a boat. THAT IS ONE DRINK! not blotto. With a survey of 98% satisfaction by the people they serve on record, I would say the DFD is doing their job.
Hey waiting, $600,000 is not necessarily because of wrongdoing on the part of DFD. And, our city has insurance for these types of claims. Insurance companies don’t always pay out because of wrongdoings. Maybe it is easier to pay than fight. We hear of those types of settlements all the time. Maybe the year is ending and they just need to close out their books. Just because insurance companies pay, doesn’t mean the insured is in the wrong. Unfortunatley, that becomes the perception.
And your statement about “excuses” already has them pegged as guilty. This is not England where you are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocence. I realize we do live in The People Republic but there is still the presumption of innocence in this country.
Finally, we don’t know how often. Again, and again, and again, it has been hammered into our lives through the media that one drink is too many. Some of these people probably carry a class B license in which a 0.04 BAC is considered under the influence, the same as a boat. THAT IS ONE DRINK! not blotto. With a survey of 98% satisfaction by the people they serve on record, I would say the DFD is doing their job.
The objection people seem to be having is that of the publicly financed and funded statement serving as a crash pad for inebriated fire fighters as opposed to getting a ride home with a friend or taking a cab.
How many times did this occur? Enough that someone noticed. That’s too much. I’m concerned that this is an issue that would be brought and concerned at your cavalier dismissal of it as indicative of a problem.
And as I said before, of all of the findings in the report, this is probably the least serious from an institutional standpoint.
The objection people seem to be having is that of the publicly financed and funded statement serving as a crash pad for inebriated fire fighters as opposed to getting a ride home with a friend or taking a cab.
How many times did this occur? Enough that someone noticed. That’s too much. I’m concerned that this is an issue that would be brought and concerned at your cavalier dismissal of it as indicative of a problem.
And as I said before, of all of the findings in the report, this is probably the least serious from an institutional standpoint.
The objection people seem to be having is that of the publicly financed and funded statement serving as a crash pad for inebriated fire fighters as opposed to getting a ride home with a friend or taking a cab.
How many times did this occur? Enough that someone noticed. That’s too much. I’m concerned that this is an issue that would be brought and concerned at your cavalier dismissal of it as indicative of a problem.
And as I said before, of all of the findings in the report, this is probably the least serious from an institutional standpoint.
The objection people seem to be having is that of the publicly financed and funded statement serving as a crash pad for inebriated fire fighters as opposed to getting a ride home with a friend or taking a cab.
How many times did this occur? Enough that someone noticed. That’s too much. I’m concerned that this is an issue that would be brought and concerned at your cavalier dismissal of it as indicative of a problem.
And as I said before, of all of the findings in the report, this is probably the least serious from an institutional standpoint.
Lamar is doing something? Union doing it’s job? What’s that, line union official pockets first and the workers second? All at the expense of the hard working lower paid person.
Lamar is doing something? Union doing it’s job? What’s that, line union official pockets first and the workers second? All at the expense of the hard working lower paid person.
Lamar is doing something? Union doing it’s job? What’s that, line union official pockets first and the workers second? All at the expense of the hard working lower paid person.
Lamar is doing something? Union doing it’s job? What’s that, line union official pockets first and the workers second? All at the expense of the hard working lower paid person.
Mayor Pro Tem Ruth Asmundson comments: http://www.my58.com/news/16785157/detail.html
Mayor Pro Tem Ruth Asmundson comments: http://www.my58.com/news/16785157/detail.html
Mayor Pro Tem Ruth Asmundson comments: http://www.my58.com/news/16785157/detail.html
Mayor Pro Tem Ruth Asmundson comments: http://www.my58.com/news/16785157/detail.html
On 7/7/08, the City Manager’s Office sent out a press release stating that the City will hire an independent investigator to address the Yolo County Grand Jury Report. The press release was posted on the City’s Home Page.
On 7/7/08, the City Manager’s Office sent out a press release stating that the City will hire an independent investigator to address the Yolo County Grand Jury Report. The press release was posted on the City’s Home Page.
On 7/7/08, the City Manager’s Office sent out a press release stating that the City will hire an independent investigator to address the Yolo County Grand Jury Report. The press release was posted on the City’s Home Page.
On 7/7/08, the City Manager’s Office sent out a press release stating that the City will hire an independent investigator to address the Yolo County Grand Jury Report. The press release was posted on the City’s Home Page.
People would rather cover up the nastiness than examine and treat it.
Nobody likes to think that life in this perfect town has problems, so they always blame the liberals for pointing them out.
Rules are rules and we’re past the era of the old boys club. Part of living off the public dollar is public scrutiny. I have no sympathy for those involved on this issue and look forward to justice being served, no matter the outcome.
People would rather cover up the nastiness than examine and treat it.
Nobody likes to think that life in this perfect town has problems, so they always blame the liberals for pointing them out.
Rules are rules and we’re past the era of the old boys club. Part of living off the public dollar is public scrutiny. I have no sympathy for those involved on this issue and look forward to justice being served, no matter the outcome.
People would rather cover up the nastiness than examine and treat it.
Nobody likes to think that life in this perfect town has problems, so they always blame the liberals for pointing them out.
Rules are rules and we’re past the era of the old boys club. Part of living off the public dollar is public scrutiny. I have no sympathy for those involved on this issue and look forward to justice being served, no matter the outcome.
People would rather cover up the nastiness than examine and treat it.
Nobody likes to think that life in this perfect town has problems, so they always blame the liberals for pointing them out.
Rules are rules and we’re past the era of the old boys club. Part of living off the public dollar is public scrutiny. I have no sympathy for those involved on this issue and look forward to justice being served, no matter the outcome.