The culprit is lower-than-expected property and sales tax revenues. For instance, the city expected a 6.5 percent growth in property taxes but they have only seen a 3 percent growth. Moreover, and just as devastating is what happened on the sales tax side where the city typically assumes a 2 percent annual sales tax growth but instead is looking at a 5 percent decrease in revenue from sales tax primarily coming from auto sales, gas, and restaurants.
A few weeks ago we reported that the city of Davis was looking for immediate cost containment which included a five-fold strategy of a hiring freeze, closer scrutiny of overtime, travel and training control, tighter control of contracts, and a limitation of non-essential spending.
The budget forecast for the next five years looks bleak for the city. With the $1.2 million debt for 2008-09 increasing to $3 million next year, $3.8 million in 2010-11, $4.49 million in 2011-12 and $5 million for 2012-13. Part of the problem is that the structural deficit that some have claimed the city resolved, has asserted itself.
The current year sees the need for continued cost containment measures with the balance of the gap being bridged through the use of the General Fund reserves.
Next year becomes critical with the need for expenditure reductions, service reductions, revenue enhancement, and state budget contingencies.
Navazio believes that the once time cost savings could save up to $900,000 which would require the city to eat up to $330,000 from their reserves. That seems rather optimistic on the face of it.
Unfortunately, the city did not provide PowerPoint slides (we believe that this would have been a great slide to show) but basically, police and fire make up about half of the general fund budget. The city is talking about a 5 to 7 percent reduction across the board in departmental budgets. A five percent reduction would save $2.2 million and a seven percent reduction would save $3 million. Of that between $400,000 to $600,000 would come from fire and $700,000 to $1 million would come from police.
The alternative would be for the city council, city manager’s office, community development, community services, parks, and public works to take a 7 to 9 percent cut and allow police and fire to only take a three percent cut. The rationale for this is protecting public safety. That would place fire at a $263K cut and police at a $436K cut.
But again this really understates the budget hit we are facing. Last year we identified up to $13 million in unmet needs. These unmet needs were taken off the books so they were not considered part of the deficit and it appeared that the city of Davis had a balanced budget. These again include key infrastructure needs and repair work.
Because of the immediate crisis, they did not spend much time on the long-range financial plan update.
The first priority is the renewal of the half-cent sales tax which generates roughly $3 million per year in June of 2010. The second priority is to replace the parks tax, perhaps by 2011, since it sunsets in June of 2012. Finally they need to look at additional revenue options as well. One of their concerns to look at funding options prior to the sunset of the DJUSD parcel taxes.
There should also be a reminder that some proposed taxes do not include a variety of fee increases. The big ones are going to be water and sewer due to the capital improvement projects.
City Manager’s Memo
On December 5, 2008, Bill Emlen sent out an updated memo to all city employees on the city’s budget situation.
Here are a couple of key points the City Manager brings up.
“We have worked with individual departments on cost cutting measures including a hiring freeze, and reductions in various travel, training, overtime, and contractual service expenditures. Individually, these actions are relatively small but cumulatively they can add up to something substantive. They are important first steps, but it is clear that more work needs to be done. We are still determining how much savings were accomplished with these initial efforts. As I noted, current estimates are that revenues will likely be down about 1.5 million dollars this year.”
Furthermore:
“In terms of our budget, we are now projecting that next fiscal year’s shortfall could be in the 2.5 to 3 million dollar range. Add to that the uncertainty over the potential impacts the State budget crisis will have on local government, and you get a sense of the potential challenge we will face with the FY 09-10 budget.”
One of the strategies is to retain as much budget reserve as possible.
“Our initial goal is to retain as much of our current budget reserve as we can going into the next fiscal year. To accomplish this, we will need to continue to find ways to reduce expenditures this year. If we are successful, it does not necessarily solve the problem we face in 2009-10, but it does provide some flexibility to cushion some of the budget impacts we are likely to face, particularly if State shifts of local funds become part of the equation. That said, the type of deficits projected by our current budget forecasts make it unlikely we can balance the budget without reductions, and they may be significant.”
Here is the red flag:
“In our budget instructions for next year, we are asking departments to develop reduction scenarios in the 5-10 percent range. This information will then be evaluated on a City-wide context considering such factors as equitable impacts among departments, Council priorities and extent of use of budget reserve.”
Most of this backs up what was said at the city council meeting, but it underscores the severity of the problem. Council wants to look at recently allocated expenditures and evaluate program priorities.
The unfortunate aspect of this crisis is that even if they cut five to ten percent of their budget, that will just get them by until 2010. The long-range problem is that the budget deficits will increase rather than decrease after 2010. Complicating things are the impracticality of revenue enhancements from new commercial ventures at this point plus a tough credit market precludes other revenue enhancement that is not related to tax increases.
The city of Davis is far better off than other cities or even the state at this point, but the severity of the current crisis compounded with the questionable past accounting practices with $13 million in what is really some sort of deficit stored as unmet needs puts the city in a quandary in terms of how to continue to provide a high level of services to the public.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year !!!!!!!!
I hate to say it this way, but perhaps this is good news. It is good that the city is finally recognizing that their profligate ways need to come to an end.
1. As deflation has reduced prices and valuations to 2003 figures, city salaries should see a roll-back to 2003 levels. Why should salaries only go up?
2. A special “Trader Joe” tax of $2 per bottle of wine to raise revenues.
3. Turn the Fire Department into a Volunteer unit, thus saving millions each year and creating a national model.
4. Terminate the long-term retirement agreement with city employees and renegotiate something more in keeping with the current economic situation.
5. Have a building code violation amnesty program (this was done years ago) where people can simply pay unpaid fees for projects done without permits and bring their homes into compliance without fines.
6. “Smug Tax” of $20 per bumper sticker for any car registered in the City of Davis.
7. Rental Unit tax. Here is one that would raise a few hackles on the city council… Ownership of a second home for use as a rental property shall be considered a business by the city and require payment of a substantial annual fee. The scale can increase with multiple units…
I hate to say it this way, but perhaps this is good news. It is good that the city is finally recognizing that their profligate ways need to come to an end.
1. As deflation has reduced prices and valuations to 2003 figures, city salaries should see a roll-back to 2003 levels. Why should salaries only go up?
2. A special “Trader Joe” tax of $2 per bottle of wine to raise revenues.
3. Turn the Fire Department into a Volunteer unit, thus saving millions each year and creating a national model.
4. Terminate the long-term retirement agreement with city employees and renegotiate something more in keeping with the current economic situation.
5. Have a building code violation amnesty program (this was done years ago) where people can simply pay unpaid fees for projects done without permits and bring their homes into compliance without fines.
6. “Smug Tax” of $20 per bumper sticker for any car registered in the City of Davis.
7. Rental Unit tax. Here is one that would raise a few hackles on the city council… Ownership of a second home for use as a rental property shall be considered a business by the city and require payment of a substantial annual fee. The scale can increase with multiple units…
I hate to say it this way, but perhaps this is good news. It is good that the city is finally recognizing that their profligate ways need to come to an end.
1. As deflation has reduced prices and valuations to 2003 figures, city salaries should see a roll-back to 2003 levels. Why should salaries only go up?
2. A special “Trader Joe” tax of $2 per bottle of wine to raise revenues.
3. Turn the Fire Department into a Volunteer unit, thus saving millions each year and creating a national model.
4. Terminate the long-term retirement agreement with city employees and renegotiate something more in keeping with the current economic situation.
5. Have a building code violation amnesty program (this was done years ago) where people can simply pay unpaid fees for projects done without permits and bring their homes into compliance without fines.
6. “Smug Tax” of $20 per bumper sticker for any car registered in the City of Davis.
7. Rental Unit tax. Here is one that would raise a few hackles on the city council… Ownership of a second home for use as a rental property shall be considered a business by the city and require payment of a substantial annual fee. The scale can increase with multiple units…
I hate to say it this way, but perhaps this is good news. It is good that the city is finally recognizing that their profligate ways need to come to an end.
1. As deflation has reduced prices and valuations to 2003 figures, city salaries should see a roll-back to 2003 levels. Why should salaries only go up?
2. A special “Trader Joe” tax of $2 per bottle of wine to raise revenues.
3. Turn the Fire Department into a Volunteer unit, thus saving millions each year and creating a national model.
4. Terminate the long-term retirement agreement with city employees and renegotiate something more in keeping with the current economic situation.
5. Have a building code violation amnesty program (this was done years ago) where people can simply pay unpaid fees for projects done without permits and bring their homes into compliance without fines.
6. “Smug Tax” of $20 per bumper sticker for any car registered in the City of Davis.
7. Rental Unit tax. Here is one that would raise a few hackles on the city council… Ownership of a second home for use as a rental property shall be considered a business by the city and require payment of a substantial annual fee. The scale can increase with multiple units…
I like Mike.
Yeah, tax all the “smug” in Davis to solve the financial mess. Charge citizens 1 cent every time they act better than everyone else. The farmers market alone could be enough to solve the city’s revenue problem and have $ leftover.
I like Mike.
Yeah, tax all the “smug” in Davis to solve the financial mess. Charge citizens 1 cent every time they act better than everyone else. The farmers market alone could be enough to solve the city’s revenue problem and have $ leftover.
I like Mike.
Yeah, tax all the “smug” in Davis to solve the financial mess. Charge citizens 1 cent every time they act better than everyone else. The farmers market alone could be enough to solve the city’s revenue problem and have $ leftover.
I like Mike.
Yeah, tax all the “smug” in Davis to solve the financial mess. Charge citizens 1 cent every time they act better than everyone else. The farmers market alone could be enough to solve the city’s revenue problem and have $ leftover.
“The first priority is the renewal of the half-cent sales tax which generates roughly $3 million per year in June of 2010. The second priority is to replace the parks tax, perhaps by 2011, since it sunsets in June of 2012.”
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
“The first priority is the renewal of the half-cent sales tax which generates roughly $3 million per year in June of 2010. The second priority is to replace the parks tax, perhaps by 2011, since it sunsets in June of 2012.”
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
“The first priority is the renewal of the half-cent sales tax which generates roughly $3 million per year in June of 2010. The second priority is to replace the parks tax, perhaps by 2011, since it sunsets in June of 2012.”
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
“The first priority is the renewal of the half-cent sales tax which generates roughly $3 million per year in June of 2010. The second priority is to replace the parks tax, perhaps by 2011, since it sunsets in June of 2012.”
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
Rich:
I’m not ready to conclude that just yet. I would say the voters are willing to support education as you say, will they do the same for city services and will they do it if the economy worsens? Not sure. I know I am very unlikely to at this point.
David, you were at the council meeting last night. Don’t tell me you think this silly budget thing is a bigger issue than the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!! This is the first time I watched a city council meeting all the way through and OMG I can’t believe people are WAY more concerned with those pathetic trees than this budget deficit.
I like all of Mike’s ideas.
Rich:
I’m not ready to conclude that just yet. I would say the voters are willing to support education as you say, will they do the same for city services and will they do it if the economy worsens? Not sure. I know I am very unlikely to at this point.
David, you were at the council meeting last night. Don’t tell me you think this silly budget thing is a bigger issue than the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!! This is the first time I watched a city council meeting all the way through and OMG I can’t believe people are WAY more concerned with those pathetic trees than this budget deficit.
I like all of Mike’s ideas.
Rich:
I’m not ready to conclude that just yet. I would say the voters are willing to support education as you say, will they do the same for city services and will they do it if the economy worsens? Not sure. I know I am very unlikely to at this point.
David, you were at the council meeting last night. Don’t tell me you think this silly budget thing is a bigger issue than the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!! This is the first time I watched a city council meeting all the way through and OMG I can’t believe people are WAY more concerned with those pathetic trees than this budget deficit.
I like all of Mike’s ideas.
Rich:
I’m not ready to conclude that just yet. I would say the voters are willing to support education as you say, will they do the same for city services and will they do it if the economy worsens? Not sure. I know I am very unlikely to at this point.
David, you were at the council meeting last night. Don’t tell me you think this silly budget thing is a bigger issue than the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!! This is the first time I watched a city council meeting all the way through and OMG I can’t believe people are WAY more concerned with those pathetic trees than this budget deficit.
I like all of Mike’s ideas.
What is interesting to me is your lead about how Davis thought itself immune to the macroeconomics of the U.S. just as people think Davis is immune to the supply and demand laws as they pertain to housing. It is time to get the head of this community out of the sand and deal with the real needs of the community. Instead of worrying about fireplace smoke Davis should be worrying about where people are going to be able to afford to live, shop, work,send their kids to school and pay for services.
What is interesting to me is your lead about how Davis thought itself immune to the macroeconomics of the U.S. just as people think Davis is immune to the supply and demand laws as they pertain to housing. It is time to get the head of this community out of the sand and deal with the real needs of the community. Instead of worrying about fireplace smoke Davis should be worrying about where people are going to be able to afford to live, shop, work,send their kids to school and pay for services.
What is interesting to me is your lead about how Davis thought itself immune to the macroeconomics of the U.S. just as people think Davis is immune to the supply and demand laws as they pertain to housing. It is time to get the head of this community out of the sand and deal with the real needs of the community. Instead of worrying about fireplace smoke Davis should be worrying about where people are going to be able to afford to live, shop, work,send their kids to school and pay for services.
What is interesting to me is your lead about how Davis thought itself immune to the macroeconomics of the U.S. just as people think Davis is immune to the supply and demand laws as they pertain to housing. It is time to get the head of this community out of the sand and deal with the real needs of the community. Instead of worrying about fireplace smoke Davis should be worrying about where people are going to be able to afford to live, shop, work,send their kids to school and pay for services.
People don’t spend their money in town. We eat at local establishments maybe 10 times a year. We do most of our grocery and household shopping online or outside of Davis where things are cheaper. Ditto for most of my neighbors and friends.
If residential and business development is discouraged here, it will go elsewhere and the people who want those things will follow. It’s kind of a no-brainer.
People don’t spend their money in town. We eat at local establishments maybe 10 times a year. We do most of our grocery and household shopping online or outside of Davis where things are cheaper. Ditto for most of my neighbors and friends.
If residential and business development is discouraged here, it will go elsewhere and the people who want those things will follow. It’s kind of a no-brainer.
People don’t spend their money in town. We eat at local establishments maybe 10 times a year. We do most of our grocery and household shopping online or outside of Davis where things are cheaper. Ditto for most of my neighbors and friends.
If residential and business development is discouraged here, it will go elsewhere and the people who want those things will follow. It’s kind of a no-brainer.
People don’t spend their money in town. We eat at local establishments maybe 10 times a year. We do most of our grocery and household shopping online or outside of Davis where things are cheaper. Ditto for most of my neighbors and friends.
If residential and business development is discouraged here, it will go elsewhere and the people who want those things will follow. It’s kind of a no-brainer.
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
Your analysis is dead on Rich.
good comments everyone!
Merry X-Mas!
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
Your analysis is dead on Rich.
good comments everyone!
Merry X-Mas!
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
Your analysis is dead on Rich.
good comments everyone!
Merry X-Mas!
I expect there to be an effort to increase both of these taxes: making the sales tax 1 cent; and doubling the “temporary” parks tax to $98.
The message was sent on Measure W: “No matter how badly an agency manages its expenses, the people of Davis will always support increased taxes.”
Your analysis is dead on Rich.
good comments everyone!
Merry X-Mas!
I don’t know anyone who does their grocery shopping outside of town. Wherever I shop whether it be Safeway, Nugget, or the Co-Op, it’s always packed. I think you need to quantify that statement if you are going to make that claim.
I don’t know anyone who does their grocery shopping outside of town. Wherever I shop whether it be Safeway, Nugget, or the Co-Op, it’s always packed. I think you need to quantify that statement if you are going to make that claim.
I don’t know anyone who does their grocery shopping outside of town. Wherever I shop whether it be Safeway, Nugget, or the Co-Op, it’s always packed. I think you need to quantify that statement if you are going to make that claim.
I don’t know anyone who does their grocery shopping outside of town. Wherever I shop whether it be Safeway, Nugget, or the Co-Op, it’s always packed. I think you need to quantify that statement if you are going to make that claim.
To Mike:
1. Can’t roll-back salaries, could hold them, but cannot roll them back.
2. Not sure a city can do an excise tax
3. Don’t think this is feasible but I wish it were. I would go with one fire station and EMTs to handle the majority of calls
4. I don’t think you can terminate a retirement agreement with the cba process
5. Maybe worth exploring
6. Obviously a joke
7. I like this one
To Mike:
1. Can’t roll-back salaries, could hold them, but cannot roll them back.
2. Not sure a city can do an excise tax
3. Don’t think this is feasible but I wish it were. I would go with one fire station and EMTs to handle the majority of calls
4. I don’t think you can terminate a retirement agreement with the cba process
5. Maybe worth exploring
6. Obviously a joke
7. I like this one
To Mike:
1. Can’t roll-back salaries, could hold them, but cannot roll them back.
2. Not sure a city can do an excise tax
3. Don’t think this is feasible but I wish it were. I would go with one fire station and EMTs to handle the majority of calls
4. I don’t think you can terminate a retirement agreement with the cba process
5. Maybe worth exploring
6. Obviously a joke
7. I like this one
To Mike:
1. Can’t roll-back salaries, could hold them, but cannot roll them back.
2. Not sure a city can do an excise tax
3. Don’t think this is feasible but I wish it were. I would go with one fire station and EMTs to handle the majority of calls
4. I don’t think you can terminate a retirement agreement with the cba process
5. Maybe worth exploring
6. Obviously a joke
7. I like this one
Costco, BevMo, Traders.
We go once a month and get everything we need. Sometimes, our neighbors come with us and we save on gas. The last 2 trips have had 4 household shoppers in the car. They are student who need to count their pennies and we’re happy to help. Many times we split 3 pack items with neighbors or friends. Since everything is so expensive, including rent, in Davis it makes perfect sense to head into Sac and get it all done.
When we have to shop in Davis for something quick, usually produce, we go to Nugget and spend maybe $10. But the $400+ in groceries is all happening outside of this city.
Then you also have the people who work here (UCD) who drive in (adding to the carbon footprint of the city) but never shop here because it costs more.
Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.
Costco, BevMo, Traders.
We go once a month and get everything we need. Sometimes, our neighbors come with us and we save on gas. The last 2 trips have had 4 household shoppers in the car. They are student who need to count their pennies and we’re happy to help. Many times we split 3 pack items with neighbors or friends. Since everything is so expensive, including rent, in Davis it makes perfect sense to head into Sac and get it all done.
When we have to shop in Davis for something quick, usually produce, we go to Nugget and spend maybe $10. But the $400+ in groceries is all happening outside of this city.
Then you also have the people who work here (UCD) who drive in (adding to the carbon footprint of the city) but never shop here because it costs more.
Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.
Costco, BevMo, Traders.
We go once a month and get everything we need. Sometimes, our neighbors come with us and we save on gas. The last 2 trips have had 4 household shoppers in the car. They are student who need to count their pennies and we’re happy to help. Many times we split 3 pack items with neighbors or friends. Since everything is so expensive, including rent, in Davis it makes perfect sense to head into Sac and get it all done.
When we have to shop in Davis for something quick, usually produce, we go to Nugget and spend maybe $10. But the $400+ in groceries is all happening outside of this city.
Then you also have the people who work here (UCD) who drive in (adding to the carbon footprint of the city) but never shop here because it costs more.
Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.
Costco, BevMo, Traders.
We go once a month and get everything we need. Sometimes, our neighbors come with us and we save on gas. The last 2 trips have had 4 household shoppers in the car. They are student who need to count their pennies and we’re happy to help. Many times we split 3 pack items with neighbors or friends. Since everything is so expensive, including rent, in Davis it makes perfect sense to head into Sac and get it all done.
When we have to shop in Davis for something quick, usually produce, we go to Nugget and spend maybe $10. But the $400+ in groceries is all happening outside of this city.
Then you also have the people who work here (UCD) who drive in (adding to the carbon footprint of the city) but never shop here because it costs more.
Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.
I live in West Davis and I have no car. I have Safeway deliver every 2 weeks. But if I did have a car, I would do bulk shopping at Costco. I am not advocating Davis build a Costco here but I think Target is a good step toward keeping sales within Davis and I would like to see other businesses encouraged, maybe some name-brand outlet stores.
Do we have a use for more hotels? I know we are crowded when it is picnic day/graduation but what if we built a few more hotels and possibly a central convention center and worked year-round to try to fill them by way of hosting green energy/climate change/bike/art/etc. conferences and make Davis more known for things it is already known for. Just a brainstorm.
I live in West Davis and I have no car. I have Safeway deliver every 2 weeks. But if I did have a car, I would do bulk shopping at Costco. I am not advocating Davis build a Costco here but I think Target is a good step toward keeping sales within Davis and I would like to see other businesses encouraged, maybe some name-brand outlet stores.
Do we have a use for more hotels? I know we are crowded when it is picnic day/graduation but what if we built a few more hotels and possibly a central convention center and worked year-round to try to fill them by way of hosting green energy/climate change/bike/art/etc. conferences and make Davis more known for things it is already known for. Just a brainstorm.
I live in West Davis and I have no car. I have Safeway deliver every 2 weeks. But if I did have a car, I would do bulk shopping at Costco. I am not advocating Davis build a Costco here but I think Target is a good step toward keeping sales within Davis and I would like to see other businesses encouraged, maybe some name-brand outlet stores.
Do we have a use for more hotels? I know we are crowded when it is picnic day/graduation but what if we built a few more hotels and possibly a central convention center and worked year-round to try to fill them by way of hosting green energy/climate change/bike/art/etc. conferences and make Davis more known for things it is already known for. Just a brainstorm.
I live in West Davis and I have no car. I have Safeway deliver every 2 weeks. But if I did have a car, I would do bulk shopping at Costco. I am not advocating Davis build a Costco here but I think Target is a good step toward keeping sales within Davis and I would like to see other businesses encouraged, maybe some name-brand outlet stores.
Do we have a use for more hotels? I know we are crowded when it is picnic day/graduation but what if we built a few more hotels and possibly a central convention center and worked year-round to try to fill them by way of hosting green energy/climate change/bike/art/etc. conferences and make Davis more known for things it is already known for. Just a brainstorm.
Sorry pred old timer, but if you’re spending $10 at Nugget it would go farther at Safeway or Save Mart. Also gas prices are a lot less. I filled up my car for less than 420. Maybe the problem is your shopping habits, not the cost of shopping locally. It’s about shopping wisely.
Sorry pred old timer, but if you’re spending $10 at Nugget it would go farther at Safeway or Save Mart. Also gas prices are a lot less. I filled up my car for less than 420. Maybe the problem is your shopping habits, not the cost of shopping locally. It’s about shopping wisely.
Sorry pred old timer, but if you’re spending $10 at Nugget it would go farther at Safeway or Save Mart. Also gas prices are a lot less. I filled up my car for less than 420. Maybe the problem is your shopping habits, not the cost of shopping locally. It’s about shopping wisely.
Sorry pred old timer, but if you’re spending $10 at Nugget it would go farther at Safeway or Save Mart. Also gas prices are a lot less. I filled up my car for less than 420. Maybe the problem is your shopping habits, not the cost of shopping locally. It’s about shopping wisely.
I think you missed the once a month part. This doesn’t make sense if you are doing it weekly but once a month, our combined food and wine bill is 73% of what it would be if we shopped in town. Drugstore items are often bought online with free shipping and no tax. I do check the prices locally at various merchants and online. I’m an analysis, I run spreadsheets on everything. Gas for us is less then 50 a month too.
Also, safeway and savemart have awful vegetables which is the only thing we get a the nugget. The bike ride it also shorter. But even that may stop this year as we plan on doing a large vegetable garden in the spring. I’ll be sure to buy all those supplies outside of Davis as well.
Whether you believe it or not is no skin off my nose. As long as I’m saving money on quality items, I’m a happy camper.
I think you missed the once a month part. This doesn’t make sense if you are doing it weekly but once a month, our combined food and wine bill is 73% of what it would be if we shopped in town. Drugstore items are often bought online with free shipping and no tax. I do check the prices locally at various merchants and online. I’m an analysis, I run spreadsheets on everything. Gas for us is less then 50 a month too.
Also, safeway and savemart have awful vegetables which is the only thing we get a the nugget. The bike ride it also shorter. But even that may stop this year as we plan on doing a large vegetable garden in the spring. I’ll be sure to buy all those supplies outside of Davis as well.
Whether you believe it or not is no skin off my nose. As long as I’m saving money on quality items, I’m a happy camper.
I think you missed the once a month part. This doesn’t make sense if you are doing it weekly but once a month, our combined food and wine bill is 73% of what it would be if we shopped in town. Drugstore items are often bought online with free shipping and no tax. I do check the prices locally at various merchants and online. I’m an analysis, I run spreadsheets on everything. Gas for us is less then 50 a month too.
Also, safeway and savemart have awful vegetables which is the only thing we get a the nugget. The bike ride it also shorter. But even that may stop this year as we plan on doing a large vegetable garden in the spring. I’ll be sure to buy all those supplies outside of Davis as well.
Whether you believe it or not is no skin off my nose. As long as I’m saving money on quality items, I’m a happy camper.
I think you missed the once a month part. This doesn’t make sense if you are doing it weekly but once a month, our combined food and wine bill is 73% of what it would be if we shopped in town. Drugstore items are often bought online with free shipping and no tax. I do check the prices locally at various merchants and online. I’m an analysis, I run spreadsheets on everything. Gas for us is less then 50 a month too.
Also, safeway and savemart have awful vegetables which is the only thing we get a the nugget. The bike ride it also shorter. But even that may stop this year as we plan on doing a large vegetable garden in the spring. I’ll be sure to buy all those supplies outside of Davis as well.
Whether you believe it or not is no skin off my nose. As long as I’m saving money on quality items, I’m a happy camper.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule. After all you were discussing budget impact, the impact from one person’s behavior is negligible, the impact from large numbers of people’s behavior is not.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule. After all you were discussing budget impact, the impact from one person’s behavior is negligible, the impact from large numbers of people’s behavior is not.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule. After all you were discussing budget impact, the impact from one person’s behavior is negligible, the impact from large numbers of people’s behavior is not.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule. After all you were discussing budget impact, the impact from one person’s behavior is negligible, the impact from large numbers of people’s behavior is not.
I’m sorry, but I like the stuff that has been said here that I want to say a little more. God, blogging is addictive!
I think Pred Old Timer has it very correct. I’m sorry, but if you go downtown to many of the small shops you just don’t see people there for the most part. I suspect when you open up the average home in Davis you will see the same stuff you see in the average home in Woodland or somewhere else, which means much of it is bought at large corporate retailers over the internet, not downtown Davis.
Also, stuff in Davis is too expensive. People don’t eat in the long run.
There are several City functions that contributed to the problem: Planning, Budget, and School buildings. For some reason there is no oversight of these functions. The planning department is owned by the developers, so the developers should pay for the planning department’s expenses including retirement benefits. There was no oversight of those who chose to build new school buildings without first determining the need for them. These functions need to be identified so that the City Council can oversee them better. The City Council needs to have someone auditing them. Kind of like the State Auditor General. This function should not be a City employee because they would be subject to City Council retaliation in the budget, instead the independent auditor should be contracted-out as the City Attorney position is now. The independent auditor should be paid from the money now being sent to the City Attorney, who does nothing except approve more spending.
I’m sorry, but I like the stuff that has been said here that I want to say a little more. God, blogging is addictive!
I think Pred Old Timer has it very correct. I’m sorry, but if you go downtown to many of the small shops you just don’t see people there for the most part. I suspect when you open up the average home in Davis you will see the same stuff you see in the average home in Woodland or somewhere else, which means much of it is bought at large corporate retailers over the internet, not downtown Davis.
Also, stuff in Davis is too expensive. People don’t eat in the long run.
There are several City functions that contributed to the problem: Planning, Budget, and School buildings. For some reason there is no oversight of these functions. The planning department is owned by the developers, so the developers should pay for the planning department’s expenses including retirement benefits. There was no oversight of those who chose to build new school buildings without first determining the need for them. These functions need to be identified so that the City Council can oversee them better. The City Council needs to have someone auditing them. Kind of like the State Auditor General. This function should not be a City employee because they would be subject to City Council retaliation in the budget, instead the independent auditor should be contracted-out as the City Attorney position is now. The independent auditor should be paid from the money now being sent to the City Attorney, who does nothing except approve more spending.
I’m sorry, but I like the stuff that has been said here that I want to say a little more. God, blogging is addictive!
I think Pred Old Timer has it very correct. I’m sorry, but if you go downtown to many of the small shops you just don’t see people there for the most part. I suspect when you open up the average home in Davis you will see the same stuff you see in the average home in Woodland or somewhere else, which means much of it is bought at large corporate retailers over the internet, not downtown Davis.
Also, stuff in Davis is too expensive. People don’t eat in the long run.
There are several City functions that contributed to the problem: Planning, Budget, and School buildings. For some reason there is no oversight of these functions. The planning department is owned by the developers, so the developers should pay for the planning department’s expenses including retirement benefits. There was no oversight of those who chose to build new school buildings without first determining the need for them. These functions need to be identified so that the City Council can oversee them better. The City Council needs to have someone auditing them. Kind of like the State Auditor General. This function should not be a City employee because they would be subject to City Council retaliation in the budget, instead the independent auditor should be contracted-out as the City Attorney position is now. The independent auditor should be paid from the money now being sent to the City Attorney, who does nothing except approve more spending.
I’m sorry, but I like the stuff that has been said here that I want to say a little more. God, blogging is addictive!
I think Pred Old Timer has it very correct. I’m sorry, but if you go downtown to many of the small shops you just don’t see people there for the most part. I suspect when you open up the average home in Davis you will see the same stuff you see in the average home in Woodland or somewhere else, which means much of it is bought at large corporate retailers over the internet, not downtown Davis.
Also, stuff in Davis is too expensive. People don’t eat in the long run.
There are several City functions that contributed to the problem: Planning, Budget, and School buildings. For some reason there is no oversight of these functions. The planning department is owned by the developers, so the developers should pay for the planning department’s expenses including retirement benefits. There was no oversight of those who chose to build new school buildings without first determining the need for them. These functions need to be identified so that the City Council can oversee them better. The City Council needs to have someone auditing them. Kind of like the State Auditor General. This function should not be a City employee because they would be subject to City Council retaliation in the budget, instead the independent auditor should be contracted-out as the City Attorney position is now. The independent auditor should be paid from the money now being sent to the City Attorney, who does nothing except approve more spending.
“the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!!”
I missed most of last night’s council meeting, so I didn’t see this topic on TV. However, I know about it, as it came before my commission, Historical Resources Management.
In October, a young woman — I presume she pursued this to the council and was turned down last night — came before the HRMC requesting we landmark the trees. To that end, the city hired a consultant (alas, I presume at taxpayer expense) to see if the Hunt-Boyer orange grove had sufficient historical merit. Our commission officially received the report, held a hearing, and then concluded unanimously:
“It doesn’t matter what the consultant’s report* says; the city council long ago approved tearing down the trees, whether we like it or not, in order to construct the new Mishka’s Cafe/office building there; therefore, we won’t consider the trees for landmark status.”
I was against the Mishka’s project. I was against the tearing down those trees. I thought at the time the best use for the plaza (where the grove and the tankhouse are) would be as outdoor seating for a restaurant in the mansion. But once the council made its decision to build Mishka’s, it made no sense to me that anyone should then want the trees landmarked.
* The consultant’s report on this, in my opinion, was quite weak (and not worth the money we paid for it). There is strong historical evidence that all, or at least almost all, the orange trees date back about 100 years. Yet the report had all sorts of lame qualifiers and implied that it was possible the trees were planted 50 years later…. To the extent that they have historical value, it is in the context of the Hunt-Boyer, which was, of course, an urban homestead, yet one with a large number of fruit and nut trees planted all around it. The families which lived in the house consumed the fruits and nuts fresh and preserved for generations. To understand and appreciate life at the Hunt-Boyer, you have to know how the people lived, and their orchard was part of that. Also, just based on the age of the orange trees, they have some merit, as we have very few trees in town 100 or more years old.
“the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!!”
I missed most of last night’s council meeting, so I didn’t see this topic on TV. However, I know about it, as it came before my commission, Historical Resources Management.
In October, a young woman — I presume she pursued this to the council and was turned down last night — came before the HRMC requesting we landmark the trees. To that end, the city hired a consultant (alas, I presume at taxpayer expense) to see if the Hunt-Boyer orange grove had sufficient historical merit. Our commission officially received the report, held a hearing, and then concluded unanimously:
“It doesn’t matter what the consultant’s report* says; the city council long ago approved tearing down the trees, whether we like it or not, in order to construct the new Mishka’s Cafe/office building there; therefore, we won’t consider the trees for landmark status.”
I was against the Mishka’s project. I was against the tearing down those trees. I thought at the time the best use for the plaza (where the grove and the tankhouse are) would be as outdoor seating for a restaurant in the mansion. But once the council made its decision to build Mishka’s, it made no sense to me that anyone should then want the trees landmarked.
* The consultant’s report on this, in my opinion, was quite weak (and not worth the money we paid for it). There is strong historical evidence that all, or at least almost all, the orange trees date back about 100 years. Yet the report had all sorts of lame qualifiers and implied that it was possible the trees were planted 50 years later…. To the extent that they have historical value, it is in the context of the Hunt-Boyer, which was, of course, an urban homestead, yet one with a large number of fruit and nut trees planted all around it. The families which lived in the house consumed the fruits and nuts fresh and preserved for generations. To understand and appreciate life at the Hunt-Boyer, you have to know how the people lived, and their orchard was part of that. Also, just based on the age of the orange trees, they have some merit, as we have very few trees in town 100 or more years old.
“the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!!”
I missed most of last night’s council meeting, so I didn’t see this topic on TV. However, I know about it, as it came before my commission, Historical Resources Management.
In October, a young woman — I presume she pursued this to the council and was turned down last night — came before the HRMC requesting we landmark the trees. To that end, the city hired a consultant (alas, I presume at taxpayer expense) to see if the Hunt-Boyer orange grove had sufficient historical merit. Our commission officially received the report, held a hearing, and then concluded unanimously:
“It doesn’t matter what the consultant’s report* says; the city council long ago approved tearing down the trees, whether we like it or not, in order to construct the new Mishka’s Cafe/office building there; therefore, we won’t consider the trees for landmark status.”
I was against the Mishka’s project. I was against the tearing down those trees. I thought at the time the best use for the plaza (where the grove and the tankhouse are) would be as outdoor seating for a restaurant in the mansion. But once the council made its decision to build Mishka’s, it made no sense to me that anyone should then want the trees landmarked.
* The consultant’s report on this, in my opinion, was quite weak (and not worth the money we paid for it). There is strong historical evidence that all, or at least almost all, the orange trees date back about 100 years. Yet the report had all sorts of lame qualifiers and implied that it was possible the trees were planted 50 years later…. To the extent that they have historical value, it is in the context of the Hunt-Boyer, which was, of course, an urban homestead, yet one with a large number of fruit and nut trees planted all around it. The families which lived in the house consumed the fruits and nuts fresh and preserved for generations. To understand and appreciate life at the Hunt-Boyer, you have to know how the people lived, and their orchard was part of that. Also, just based on the age of the orange trees, they have some merit, as we have very few trees in town 100 or more years old.
“the HISTORIC AND LANDMARK ORANGE TREES at the HUNT-BOYER MANSION!!”
I missed most of last night’s council meeting, so I didn’t see this topic on TV. However, I know about it, as it came before my commission, Historical Resources Management.
In October, a young woman — I presume she pursued this to the council and was turned down last night — came before the HRMC requesting we landmark the trees. To that end, the city hired a consultant (alas, I presume at taxpayer expense) to see if the Hunt-Boyer orange grove had sufficient historical merit. Our commission officially received the report, held a hearing, and then concluded unanimously:
“It doesn’t matter what the consultant’s report* says; the city council long ago approved tearing down the trees, whether we like it or not, in order to construct the new Mishka’s Cafe/office building there; therefore, we won’t consider the trees for landmark status.”
I was against the Mishka’s project. I was against the tearing down those trees. I thought at the time the best use for the plaza (where the grove and the tankhouse are) would be as outdoor seating for a restaurant in the mansion. But once the council made its decision to build Mishka’s, it made no sense to me that anyone should then want the trees landmarked.
* The consultant’s report on this, in my opinion, was quite weak (and not worth the money we paid for it). There is strong historical evidence that all, or at least almost all, the orange trees date back about 100 years. Yet the report had all sorts of lame qualifiers and implied that it was possible the trees were planted 50 years later…. To the extent that they have historical value, it is in the context of the Hunt-Boyer, which was, of course, an urban homestead, yet one with a large number of fruit and nut trees planted all around it. The families which lived in the house consumed the fruits and nuts fresh and preserved for generations. To understand and appreciate life at the Hunt-Boyer, you have to know how the people lived, and their orchard was part of that. Also, just based on the age of the orange trees, they have some merit, as we have very few trees in town 100 or more years old.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule.
While I don’t shop at Costco, I too know a lot of people in Davis who do. A retired neighbor of mine, yesterday, told me he pays no sales tax in Davis at all, because he buys everything in Woodland. He noted, however, that when he bought his last car (also out of town), he was charged the Davis sales tax, as that (by state law) is transferred to the city where you live.
Of course, this is just an anecdote. But I don’t doubt there are literally thousands of similar households in Davis, especially among those who work elsewhere and live here and those who have the time to shop for better prices elsewhere.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule.
While I don’t shop at Costco, I too know a lot of people in Davis who do. A retired neighbor of mine, yesterday, told me he pays no sales tax in Davis at all, because he buys everything in Woodland. He noted, however, that when he bought his last car (also out of town), he was charged the Davis sales tax, as that (by state law) is transferred to the city where you live.
Of course, this is just an anecdote. But I don’t doubt there are literally thousands of similar households in Davis, especially among those who work elsewhere and live here and those who have the time to shop for better prices elsewhere.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule.
While I don’t shop at Costco, I too know a lot of people in Davis who do. A retired neighbor of mine, yesterday, told me he pays no sales tax in Davis at all, because he buys everything in Woodland. He noted, however, that when he bought his last car (also out of town), he was charged the Davis sales tax, as that (by state law) is transferred to the city where you live.
Of course, this is just an anecdote. But I don’t doubt there are literally thousands of similar households in Davis, especially among those who work elsewhere and live here and those who have the time to shop for better prices elsewhere.
I don’t think the issue is whether “you” personally are doing it, but rather whether this is an exception or the rule.
While I don’t shop at Costco, I too know a lot of people in Davis who do. A retired neighbor of mine, yesterday, told me he pays no sales tax in Davis at all, because he buys everything in Woodland. He noted, however, that when he bought his last car (also out of town), he was charged the Davis sales tax, as that (by state law) is transferred to the city where you live.
Of course, this is just an anecdote. But I don’t doubt there are literally thousands of similar households in Davis, especially among those who work elsewhere and live here and those who have the time to shop for better prices elsewhere.
It always amuses me when someone brings up school buildings as having an impact on city finances, and on school operating funds.
How many times do people have to be told that the funds for school buildings come from a different source than either of these things.
School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools. School building does not impact funds available for programs or paying teachers, nor can the School District sell property to fund programs or pay teachers, etc.
Learn this.
It always amuses me when someone brings up school buildings as having an impact on city finances, and on school operating funds.
How many times do people have to be told that the funds for school buildings come from a different source than either of these things.
School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools. School building does not impact funds available for programs or paying teachers, nor can the School District sell property to fund programs or pay teachers, etc.
Learn this.
It always amuses me when someone brings up school buildings as having an impact on city finances, and on school operating funds.
How many times do people have to be told that the funds for school buildings come from a different source than either of these things.
School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools. School building does not impact funds available for programs or paying teachers, nor can the School District sell property to fund programs or pay teachers, etc.
Learn this.
It always amuses me when someone brings up school buildings as having an impact on city finances, and on school operating funds.
How many times do people have to be told that the funds for school buildings come from a different source than either of these things.
School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools. School building does not impact funds available for programs or paying teachers, nor can the School District sell property to fund programs or pay teachers, etc.
Learn this.
“School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools.”
Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?
“School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools.”
Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?
“School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools.”
Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?
“School building has zero impact on city finances and the city has no influence over the building of schools.”
Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?
On the sales tax issue:
For starters, remember that groceries are not taxed.
When discussing our fiscal challenges, people often tend to get diverted into a discussion of sales tax. As I have pointed out during council meetings, if you actually study the difference between sales tax between Vacaville and Davis, the actual net per-capita difference is small compared to our deficits. In 2006, the gross per-capita difference between Vacaville and Davis is $78 per person. But that doesn’t take into account the huge costs of city services required by massive retail — much more police, fire, etc. The net difference in sales tax revenue will be far smaller than the gross difference.
Our millions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, our likely huge PERS increases, our massive potential water/sewer increases, our millions of dollars of unmet needs — all in addition to our reported pending deficits, would not begin to be solved with Vacaville-like net per capita sales tax.
(I should also note that our largest area of sales tax leakage is in business-to-business taxes rather than standard retail.)
Given all this, it should come as no surprise that Vacaville is facing a fiscal crisis even after suffering the quality of life reducing consequences of being a freeway retail town.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
On the sales tax issue:
For starters, remember that groceries are not taxed.
When discussing our fiscal challenges, people often tend to get diverted into a discussion of sales tax. As I have pointed out during council meetings, if you actually study the difference between sales tax between Vacaville and Davis, the actual net per-capita difference is small compared to our deficits. In 2006, the gross per-capita difference between Vacaville and Davis is $78 per person. But that doesn’t take into account the huge costs of city services required by massive retail — much more police, fire, etc. The net difference in sales tax revenue will be far smaller than the gross difference.
Our millions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, our likely huge PERS increases, our massive potential water/sewer increases, our millions of dollars of unmet needs — all in addition to our reported pending deficits, would not begin to be solved with Vacaville-like net per capita sales tax.
(I should also note that our largest area of sales tax leakage is in business-to-business taxes rather than standard retail.)
Given all this, it should come as no surprise that Vacaville is facing a fiscal crisis even after suffering the quality of life reducing consequences of being a freeway retail town.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
On the sales tax issue:
For starters, remember that groceries are not taxed.
When discussing our fiscal challenges, people often tend to get diverted into a discussion of sales tax. As I have pointed out during council meetings, if you actually study the difference between sales tax between Vacaville and Davis, the actual net per-capita difference is small compared to our deficits. In 2006, the gross per-capita difference between Vacaville and Davis is $78 per person. But that doesn’t take into account the huge costs of city services required by massive retail — much more police, fire, etc. The net difference in sales tax revenue will be far smaller than the gross difference.
Our millions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, our likely huge PERS increases, our massive potential water/sewer increases, our millions of dollars of unmet needs — all in addition to our reported pending deficits, would not begin to be solved with Vacaville-like net per capita sales tax.
(I should also note that our largest area of sales tax leakage is in business-to-business taxes rather than standard retail.)
Given all this, it should come as no surprise that Vacaville is facing a fiscal crisis even after suffering the quality of life reducing consequences of being a freeway retail town.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
On the sales tax issue:
For starters, remember that groceries are not taxed.
When discussing our fiscal challenges, people often tend to get diverted into a discussion of sales tax. As I have pointed out during council meetings, if you actually study the difference between sales tax between Vacaville and Davis, the actual net per-capita difference is small compared to our deficits. In 2006, the gross per-capita difference between Vacaville and Davis is $78 per person. But that doesn’t take into account the huge costs of city services required by massive retail — much more police, fire, etc. The net difference in sales tax revenue will be far smaller than the gross difference.
Our millions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, our likely huge PERS increases, our massive potential water/sewer increases, our millions of dollars of unmet needs — all in addition to our reported pending deficits, would not begin to be solved with Vacaville-like net per capita sales tax.
(I should also note that our largest area of sales tax leakage is in business-to-business taxes rather than standard retail.)
Given all this, it should come as no surprise that Vacaville is facing a fiscal crisis even after suffering the quality of life reducing consequences of being a freeway retail town.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
“our likely huge PERS increases”
See my column in today’s Enterprise. I should note, it was Sue who alerted me to this problem some time ago.
“our likely huge PERS increases”
See my column in today’s Enterprise. I should note, it was Sue who alerted me to this problem some time ago.
“our likely huge PERS increases”
See my column in today’s Enterprise. I should note, it was Sue who alerted me to this problem some time ago.
“our likely huge PERS increases”
See my column in today’s Enterprise. I should note, it was Sue who alerted me to this problem some time ago.
“Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.”
What price do you find on gas outside of Davis that makes it worthwhile to drive there to fill up?
Although I note that Davis gas prices aren’t regularly the very lowest in the region, I haven’t observed anything significantly lower to make it worthwhile to fill up out of town.
“Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.”
What price do you find on gas outside of Davis that makes it worthwhile to drive there to fill up?
Although I note that Davis gas prices aren’t regularly the very lowest in the region, I haven’t observed anything significantly lower to make it worthwhile to fill up out of town.
“Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.”
What price do you find on gas outside of Davis that makes it worthwhile to drive there to fill up?
Although I note that Davis gas prices aren’t regularly the very lowest in the region, I haven’t observed anything significantly lower to make it worthwhile to fill up out of town.
“Oh- and we generally buy gas outside of Davis too since we only need to fill up once a month.”
What price do you find on gas outside of Davis that makes it worthwhile to drive there to fill up?
Although I note that Davis gas prices aren’t regularly the very lowest in the region, I haven’t observed anything significantly lower to make it worthwhile to fill up out of town.
“Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?”
The city spent $1.375 million on the DHS gymnasium.
“Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?”
The city spent $1.375 million on the DHS gymnasium.
“Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?”
The city spent $1.375 million on the DHS gymnasium.
“Who paid for the new gym at Davis high school?”
The city spent $1.375 million on the DHS gymnasium.
Why does everyone think we make separate trips? We fill up while we are out of town with our other shopping once a month.
It’s usually only 5 to 10 cents cheaper outside of Davis but for me it’s thought that counts – to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me. You can look up prices on google maps and mapquest. If you have an Iphone, you can also scan the bin numbers on items and get the cheapest price in your area.
Why does everyone think we make separate trips? We fill up while we are out of town with our other shopping once a month.
It’s usually only 5 to 10 cents cheaper outside of Davis but for me it’s thought that counts – to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me. You can look up prices on google maps and mapquest. If you have an Iphone, you can also scan the bin numbers on items and get the cheapest price in your area.
Why does everyone think we make separate trips? We fill up while we are out of town with our other shopping once a month.
It’s usually only 5 to 10 cents cheaper outside of Davis but for me it’s thought that counts – to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me. You can look up prices on google maps and mapquest. If you have an Iphone, you can also scan the bin numbers on items and get the cheapest price in your area.
Why does everyone think we make separate trips? We fill up while we are out of town with our other shopping once a month.
It’s usually only 5 to 10 cents cheaper outside of Davis but for me it’s thought that counts – to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me. You can look up prices on google maps and mapquest. If you have an Iphone, you can also scan the bin numbers on items and get the cheapest price in your area.
“to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me.”
The truth comes out–he’s trying to get the city to jack up taxes.
“to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me.”
The truth comes out–he’s trying to get the city to jack up taxes.
“to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me.”
The truth comes out–he’s trying to get the city to jack up taxes.
“to make sure Davis sees as little income as possible from me.”
The truth comes out–he’s trying to get the city to jack up taxes.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
Let’s get real-
Sales tax per person per year
Davis $93
Vacaville $171 – 84% higher than Davis
San Luis Obispo $315 – 238% higher than Davis
At the Vacaville rate Davis would be getting $5 million dollars more per year.
At the SLO rate Davis would be getting $14.4 million more.
$14.4 million is not insignificant. If you keep driving away business you will pay higher taxes. So what is the real problem? city employess salaries or is it the effort to prevent businesses from tainting the landscape?
The General Fund budget reflects revenue (taxes) equal of about $39 million. $14.4 million would cover 2/3’s of Davis Police and Fire combined. You have two options – raise sales tax revenue or increase property taxes. You could compensate for not having the SLO sales taxes by adding $800 (rough guess assuming around 18,000 homes) to each Davis resident’s property tax bill.
The choice is yours.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
Let’s get real-
Sales tax per person per year
Davis $93
Vacaville $171 – 84% higher than Davis
San Luis Obispo $315 – 238% higher than Davis
At the Vacaville rate Davis would be getting $5 million dollars more per year.
At the SLO rate Davis would be getting $14.4 million more.
$14.4 million is not insignificant. If you keep driving away business you will pay higher taxes. So what is the real problem? city employess salaries or is it the effort to prevent businesses from tainting the landscape?
The General Fund budget reflects revenue (taxes) equal of about $39 million. $14.4 million would cover 2/3’s of Davis Police and Fire combined. You have two options – raise sales tax revenue or increase property taxes. You could compensate for not having the SLO sales taxes by adding $800 (rough guess assuming around 18,000 homes) to each Davis resident’s property tax bill.
The choice is yours.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
Let’s get real-
Sales tax per person per year
Davis $93
Vacaville $171 – 84% higher than Davis
San Luis Obispo $315 – 238% higher than Davis
At the Vacaville rate Davis would be getting $5 million dollars more per year.
At the SLO rate Davis would be getting $14.4 million more.
$14.4 million is not insignificant. If you keep driving away business you will pay higher taxes. So what is the real problem? city employess salaries or is it the effort to prevent businesses from tainting the landscape?
The General Fund budget reflects revenue (taxes) equal of about $39 million. $14.4 million would cover 2/3’s of Davis Police and Fire combined. You have two options – raise sales tax revenue or increase property taxes. You could compensate for not having the SLO sales taxes by adding $800 (rough guess assuming around 18,000 homes) to each Davis resident’s property tax bill.
The choice is yours.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
Let’s get real-
Sales tax per person per year
Davis $93
Vacaville $171 – 84% higher than Davis
San Luis Obispo $315 – 238% higher than Davis
At the Vacaville rate Davis would be getting $5 million dollars more per year.
At the SLO rate Davis would be getting $14.4 million more.
$14.4 million is not insignificant. If you keep driving away business you will pay higher taxes. So what is the real problem? city employess salaries or is it the effort to prevent businesses from tainting the landscape?
The General Fund budget reflects revenue (taxes) equal of about $39 million. $14.4 million would cover 2/3’s of Davis Police and Fire combined. You have two options – raise sales tax revenue or increase property taxes. You could compensate for not having the SLO sales taxes by adding $800 (rough guess assuming around 18,000 homes) to each Davis resident’s property tax bill.
The choice is yours.
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.
More examples–
Davis $94/capita
Folsom $261
Pleasant Hill $227
Pleasanton $332
Roseville $405
Walnut Creek $316
West Sacramento $300
I wonder how much of West Sac’s IKEA sales tax is from Davis customers?
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.
More examples–
Davis $94/capita
Folsom $261
Pleasant Hill $227
Pleasanton $332
Roseville $405
Walnut Creek $316
West Sacramento $300
I wonder how much of West Sac’s IKEA sales tax is from Davis customers?
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.
More examples–
Davis $94/capita
Folsom $261
Pleasant Hill $227
Pleasanton $332
Roseville $405
Walnut Creek $316
West Sacramento $300
I wonder how much of West Sac’s IKEA sales tax is from Davis customers?
It is tempting to think of sales tax as a panacea, but it isn’t.
I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.
More examples–
Davis $94/capita
Folsom $261
Pleasant Hill $227
Pleasanton $332
Roseville $405
Walnut Creek $316
West Sacramento $300
I wonder how much of West Sac’s IKEA sales tax is from Davis customers?
From a sales tax perspective Davis has a cash cow in the form of the UCD student body. They do not forage in Davis, the green pasture is in West Sac and that is where the sales taxes go.
From a sales tax perspective Davis has a cash cow in the form of the UCD student body. They do not forage in Davis, the green pasture is in West Sac and that is where the sales taxes go.
From a sales tax perspective Davis has a cash cow in the form of the UCD student body. They do not forage in Davis, the green pasture is in West Sac and that is where the sales taxes go.
From a sales tax perspective Davis has a cash cow in the form of the UCD student body. They do not forage in Davis, the green pasture is in West Sac and that is where the sales taxes go.
People are focusing on the wrong end here, we are not going to fix sales tax in the short term and the community is probably not going to want it.
Spending is really a concern and the growth in spending.
It’s worth noting because I am familiar with the situation, San Luis Obispo is facing about a $5 million budget deficit this year.
If we don’t reign in our spending, we’re going to be in trouble. And the economy is such sales tax growth is not a short or even immediate term remedy.
People are focusing on the wrong end here, we are not going to fix sales tax in the short term and the community is probably not going to want it.
Spending is really a concern and the growth in spending.
It’s worth noting because I am familiar with the situation, San Luis Obispo is facing about a $5 million budget deficit this year.
If we don’t reign in our spending, we’re going to be in trouble. And the economy is such sales tax growth is not a short or even immediate term remedy.
People are focusing on the wrong end here, we are not going to fix sales tax in the short term and the community is probably not going to want it.
Spending is really a concern and the growth in spending.
It’s worth noting because I am familiar with the situation, San Luis Obispo is facing about a $5 million budget deficit this year.
If we don’t reign in our spending, we’re going to be in trouble. And the economy is such sales tax growth is not a short or even immediate term remedy.
People are focusing on the wrong end here, we are not going to fix sales tax in the short term and the community is probably not going to want it.
Spending is really a concern and the growth in spending.
It’s worth noting because I am familiar with the situation, San Luis Obispo is facing about a $5 million budget deficit this year.
If we don’t reign in our spending, we’re going to be in trouble. And the economy is such sales tax growth is not a short or even immediate term remedy.
“I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.”
Interesting. Now go to the company that provided that data (HdL Companies) and look at their data on sales tax per gross square foot. 5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft. A strong neighborhood shopping center with diverse retail options and a strong grocery anchor can provide more sales tax revenue than a stand-alone discount retailer.
“I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.”
Interesting. Now go to the company that provided that data (HdL Companies) and look at their data on sales tax per gross square foot. 5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft. A strong neighborhood shopping center with diverse retail options and a strong grocery anchor can provide more sales tax revenue than a stand-alone discount retailer.
“I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.”
Interesting. Now go to the company that provided that data (HdL Companies) and look at their data on sales tax per gross square foot. 5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft. A strong neighborhood shopping center with diverse retail options and a strong grocery anchor can provide more sales tax revenue than a stand-alone discount retailer.
“I found a source for those sales tax numbers here.”
Interesting. Now go to the company that provided that data (HdL Companies) and look at their data on sales tax per gross square foot. 5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft. A strong neighborhood shopping center with diverse retail options and a strong grocery anchor can provide more sales tax revenue than a stand-alone discount retailer.
Regardless of time frames you have to look at both sides of the ledger – revenue and expenses. Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table. Spending must be controlled but the overall effort will be hampered if you do not look at the whole picture. Davis may refuse business opportunites and continue to shoot itself in the foot. That might be rather painful after awhile.
Regardless of time frames you have to look at both sides of the ledger – revenue and expenses. Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table. Spending must be controlled but the overall effort will be hampered if you do not look at the whole picture. Davis may refuse business opportunites and continue to shoot itself in the foot. That might be rather painful after awhile.
Regardless of time frames you have to look at both sides of the ledger – revenue and expenses. Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table. Spending must be controlled but the overall effort will be hampered if you do not look at the whole picture. Davis may refuse business opportunites and continue to shoot itself in the foot. That might be rather painful after awhile.
Regardless of time frames you have to look at both sides of the ledger – revenue and expenses. Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table. Spending must be controlled but the overall effort will be hampered if you do not look at the whole picture. Davis may refuse business opportunites and continue to shoot itself in the foot. That might be rather painful after awhile.
rich rifkin: you’re article today was very good, i hope the city council listens to your ideas. i didn’t know the city pays the employee share for their pensions. what a waste! i wish the city would pay my share of my sewer bill.
rich rifkin: you’re article today was very good, i hope the city council listens to your ideas. i didn’t know the city pays the employee share for their pensions. what a waste! i wish the city would pay my share of my sewer bill.
rich rifkin: you’re article today was very good, i hope the city council listens to your ideas. i didn’t know the city pays the employee share for their pensions. what a waste! i wish the city would pay my share of my sewer bill.
rich rifkin: you’re article today was very good, i hope the city council listens to your ideas. i didn’t know the city pays the employee share for their pensions. what a waste! i wish the city would pay my share of my sewer bill.
Tear up the streets downtown, turn them into gardens. Cut way back on street-cleaning fees. Let the city staff tend the gardens, let them eat their produce. Thereby we can cut back their hyper-inflated salaries, substituting their food allowance. For once the public could see their elected and unelected officials actually work for a living!
With the streets torn up downtown, make visitors park at peripheral parking lots–charge them to ride electric shuttles to do their shopping downtown.
Hey, if Hunter S. Thompson almost won the Sheriff campaign in Aspen on that platform, coming within a few hundred votes of victory, then let’s try it here before all the freaks and radicals move out of town, like next year or so.
Tear up the streets downtown, turn them into gardens. Cut way back on street-cleaning fees. Let the city staff tend the gardens, let them eat their produce. Thereby we can cut back their hyper-inflated salaries, substituting their food allowance. For once the public could see their elected and unelected officials actually work for a living!
With the streets torn up downtown, make visitors park at peripheral parking lots–charge them to ride electric shuttles to do their shopping downtown.
Hey, if Hunter S. Thompson almost won the Sheriff campaign in Aspen on that platform, coming within a few hundred votes of victory, then let’s try it here before all the freaks and radicals move out of town, like next year or so.
Tear up the streets downtown, turn them into gardens. Cut way back on street-cleaning fees. Let the city staff tend the gardens, let them eat their produce. Thereby we can cut back their hyper-inflated salaries, substituting their food allowance. For once the public could see their elected and unelected officials actually work for a living!
With the streets torn up downtown, make visitors park at peripheral parking lots–charge them to ride electric shuttles to do their shopping downtown.
Hey, if Hunter S. Thompson almost won the Sheriff campaign in Aspen on that platform, coming within a few hundred votes of victory, then let’s try it here before all the freaks and radicals move out of town, like next year or so.
Tear up the streets downtown, turn them into gardens. Cut way back on street-cleaning fees. Let the city staff tend the gardens, let them eat their produce. Thereby we can cut back their hyper-inflated salaries, substituting their food allowance. For once the public could see their elected and unelected officials actually work for a living!
With the streets torn up downtown, make visitors park at peripheral parking lots–charge them to ride electric shuttles to do their shopping downtown.
Hey, if Hunter S. Thompson almost won the Sheriff campaign in Aspen on that platform, coming within a few hundred votes of victory, then let’s try it here before all the freaks and radicals move out of town, like next year or so.
“5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft.”
From a city government revenue perspective, avg $/sf means nothing. That’s like telling me elephant poop in my living room is good because elephant’s poop much less per sf than gnats.
Roseville has every big box store out there and many small boxes too. Because of that, Roseville has more than 4x the sales taxes/capita than Davis. If Davis had a share of Roseville’s big and small boxes, Davis would have $19 million more in city revenues every year.
“5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft.”
From a city government revenue perspective, avg $/sf means nothing. That’s like telling me elephant poop in my living room is good because elephant’s poop much less per sf than gnats.
Roseville has every big box store out there and many small boxes too. Because of that, Roseville has more than 4x the sales taxes/capita than Davis. If Davis had a share of Roseville’s big and small boxes, Davis would have $19 million more in city revenues every year.
“5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft.”
From a city government revenue perspective, avg $/sf means nothing. That’s like telling me elephant poop in my living room is good because elephant’s poop much less per sf than gnats.
Roseville has every big box store out there and many small boxes too. Because of that, Roseville has more than 4x the sales taxes/capita than Davis. If Davis had a share of Roseville’s big and small boxes, Davis would have $19 million more in city revenues every year.
“5 – 6 small stores at 20,000 sq. ft. apiece can produce more annual taxable sales than one large big box retailer at 125,000 sq. ft.”
From a city government revenue perspective, avg $/sf means nothing. That’s like telling me elephant poop in my living room is good because elephant’s poop much less per sf than gnats.
Roseville has every big box store out there and many small boxes too. Because of that, Roseville has more than 4x the sales taxes/capita than Davis. If Davis had a share of Roseville’s big and small boxes, Davis would have $19 million more in city revenues every year.
“Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table.”
In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
“Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table.”
In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
“Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table.”
In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
“Davis could be much better off if it had not left so much revenue on the table.”
In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
Roseville has massive freeway retail development and no downtown to speak of (1.5% of retail sales in Roseville come from their downtown). Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade. Look at a map and tell me where Davis would put the retailers that would bring in that revenue here, what the impact would be on the neighborhood shopping centers and the downtown, and what kind of community we would have if Davis followed the Roseville planning model.
Roseville has massive freeway retail development and no downtown to speak of (1.5% of retail sales in Roseville come from their downtown). Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade. Look at a map and tell me where Davis would put the retailers that would bring in that revenue here, what the impact would be on the neighborhood shopping centers and the downtown, and what kind of community we would have if Davis followed the Roseville planning model.
Roseville has massive freeway retail development and no downtown to speak of (1.5% of retail sales in Roseville come from their downtown). Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade. Look at a map and tell me where Davis would put the retailers that would bring in that revenue here, what the impact would be on the neighborhood shopping centers and the downtown, and what kind of community we would have if Davis followed the Roseville planning model.
Roseville has massive freeway retail development and no downtown to speak of (1.5% of retail sales in Roseville come from their downtown). Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade. Look at a map and tell me where Davis would put the retailers that would bring in that revenue here, what the impact would be on the neighborhood shopping centers and the downtown, and what kind of community we would have if Davis followed the Roseville planning model.
“Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade.”
Average population growth has been 5 – 6% annually or more for more than a decade.
“Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade.”
Average population growth has been 5 – 6% annually or more for more than a decade.
“Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade.”
Average population growth has been 5 – 6% annually or more for more than a decade.
“Average population growth has been 5 – 6% or more for than a decade.”
Average population growth has been 5 – 6% annually or more for more than a decade.
BTW, if you guys (and gals) think Roseville is in better shape than we are, you know what their budget deficit is? $8.8 million.
Here’s a pretty good article in the Bee today on a number of areas in real trouble:
Sac Bee Article
BTW, if you guys (and gals) think Roseville is in better shape than we are, you know what their budget deficit is? $8.8 million.
Here’s a pretty good article in the Bee today on a number of areas in real trouble:
Sac Bee Article
BTW, if you guys (and gals) think Roseville is in better shape than we are, you know what their budget deficit is? $8.8 million.
Here’s a pretty good article in the Bee today on a number of areas in real trouble:
Sac Bee Article
BTW, if you guys (and gals) think Roseville is in better shape than we are, you know what their budget deficit is? $8.8 million.
Here’s a pretty good article in the Bee today on a number of areas in real trouble:
Sac Bee Article
Close to Davis per capita in sales tax are such diverse cities as Los Angeles, Martinez and Alamada. Close to the very top in per capita sales tax are such downtown-oriented cities such as Carmel and Santa Monica, and Walnut Creek,along with traditional freeway mall centers/auto mall centers like Roseville.
Some cities, like West Sacramento,have developed specialized niches. West Sacramento is high because, as a port city, it sells such big-ticket items as cranes. Years ago, I asked staff, only half jokingly, to just get us one of those crane dealerships.
It is clear from looking at the figures that there are different effective strategies ways to boost sales tax.
But I will repeat, the difference in net sales tax, after we account for the cost of police, firefighters and other city services, between Davis and Vacaville wouldn’t make much of a dent in our pending deficits and rate increases.
Close to Davis per capita in sales tax are such diverse cities as Los Angeles, Martinez and Alamada. Close to the very top in per capita sales tax are such downtown-oriented cities such as Carmel and Santa Monica, and Walnut Creek,along with traditional freeway mall centers/auto mall centers like Roseville.
Some cities, like West Sacramento,have developed specialized niches. West Sacramento is high because, as a port city, it sells such big-ticket items as cranes. Years ago, I asked staff, only half jokingly, to just get us one of those crane dealerships.
It is clear from looking at the figures that there are different effective strategies ways to boost sales tax.
But I will repeat, the difference in net sales tax, after we account for the cost of police, firefighters and other city services, between Davis and Vacaville wouldn’t make much of a dent in our pending deficits and rate increases.
Close to Davis per capita in sales tax are such diverse cities as Los Angeles, Martinez and Alamada. Close to the very top in per capita sales tax are such downtown-oriented cities such as Carmel and Santa Monica, and Walnut Creek,along with traditional freeway mall centers/auto mall centers like Roseville.
Some cities, like West Sacramento,have developed specialized niches. West Sacramento is high because, as a port city, it sells such big-ticket items as cranes. Years ago, I asked staff, only half jokingly, to just get us one of those crane dealerships.
It is clear from looking at the figures that there are different effective strategies ways to boost sales tax.
But I will repeat, the difference in net sales tax, after we account for the cost of police, firefighters and other city services, between Davis and Vacaville wouldn’t make much of a dent in our pending deficits and rate increases.
Close to Davis per capita in sales tax are such diverse cities as Los Angeles, Martinez and Alamada. Close to the very top in per capita sales tax are such downtown-oriented cities such as Carmel and Santa Monica, and Walnut Creek,along with traditional freeway mall centers/auto mall centers like Roseville.
Some cities, like West Sacramento,have developed specialized niches. West Sacramento is high because, as a port city, it sells such big-ticket items as cranes. Years ago, I asked staff, only half jokingly, to just get us one of those crane dealerships.
It is clear from looking at the figures that there are different effective strategies ways to boost sales tax.
But I will repeat, the difference in net sales tax, after we account for the cost of police, firefighters and other city services, between Davis and Vacaville wouldn’t make much of a dent in our pending deficits and rate increases.
Anonymous 3:33 PM:
Again, you are looking at Vacaville GROSS sales tax. Do you think that all those sprawling malls and highway commercial require no additional police, fire, and city services? They require huge additional expenditures on the part of the city.
And I want remind posters again that a lot of talk has been about groceries, which pay no sales tax.
Anonymous 3:33 PM:
Again, you are looking at Vacaville GROSS sales tax. Do you think that all those sprawling malls and highway commercial require no additional police, fire, and city services? They require huge additional expenditures on the part of the city.
And I want remind posters again that a lot of talk has been about groceries, which pay no sales tax.
Anonymous 3:33 PM:
Again, you are looking at Vacaville GROSS sales tax. Do you think that all those sprawling malls and highway commercial require no additional police, fire, and city services? They require huge additional expenditures on the part of the city.
And I want remind posters again that a lot of talk has been about groceries, which pay no sales tax.
Anonymous 3:33 PM:
Again, you are looking at Vacaville GROSS sales tax. Do you think that all those sprawling malls and highway commercial require no additional police, fire, and city services? They require huge additional expenditures on the part of the city.
And I want remind posters again that a lot of talk has been about groceries, which pay no sales tax.
The Vacaville situation is being used as a distraction. I do not even understand the Vacaville number – the sales tax number is way too low relative to all of the commercial activity. I assume much of development is in unincorporated areas outside of the Vacaville city limit.
It might be better to look at sales taxes in comparable college communities
Del Mar $368
Goleta $272
Palo Alto $345
Sonoma $241
SLO $315
Chico $231
and then Davis $93
The picture is clear.
The Vacaville situation is being used as a distraction. I do not even understand the Vacaville number – the sales tax number is way too low relative to all of the commercial activity. I assume much of development is in unincorporated areas outside of the Vacaville city limit.
It might be better to look at sales taxes in comparable college communities
Del Mar $368
Goleta $272
Palo Alto $345
Sonoma $241
SLO $315
Chico $231
and then Davis $93
The picture is clear.
The Vacaville situation is being used as a distraction. I do not even understand the Vacaville number – the sales tax number is way too low relative to all of the commercial activity. I assume much of development is in unincorporated areas outside of the Vacaville city limit.
It might be better to look at sales taxes in comparable college communities
Del Mar $368
Goleta $272
Palo Alto $345
Sonoma $241
SLO $315
Chico $231
and then Davis $93
The picture is clear.
The Vacaville situation is being used as a distraction. I do not even understand the Vacaville number – the sales tax number is way too low relative to all of the commercial activity. I assume much of development is in unincorporated areas outside of the Vacaville city limit.
It might be better to look at sales taxes in comparable college communities
Del Mar $368
Goleta $272
Palo Alto $345
Sonoma $241
SLO $315
Chico $231
and then Davis $93
The picture is clear.
“The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
“The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
“The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
“The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
I think you should compare the two budget in detail – Davis and SLO. I do not have time to do that
But the 2009 general fund budgets are
Davis
Revenue $39.8 million
Expenditures $41.9 million
SLO
Revenue $53.6 million
Expenditures $48.3 million
Which one looks better?
The problem SLO has is that they are investing in infrastructure and they have a $9 million general fund transfer to capital programs – streets, parks etc. Yes they have a deficit to deal with but only because they have the vision/capacity to maintain things Davis can not afford.
I think you should compare the two budget in detail – Davis and SLO. I do not have time to do that
But the 2009 general fund budgets are
Davis
Revenue $39.8 million
Expenditures $41.9 million
SLO
Revenue $53.6 million
Expenditures $48.3 million
Which one looks better?
The problem SLO has is that they are investing in infrastructure and they have a $9 million general fund transfer to capital programs – streets, parks etc. Yes they have a deficit to deal with but only because they have the vision/capacity to maintain things Davis can not afford.
I think you should compare the two budget in detail – Davis and SLO. I do not have time to do that
But the 2009 general fund budgets are
Davis
Revenue $39.8 million
Expenditures $41.9 million
SLO
Revenue $53.6 million
Expenditures $48.3 million
Which one looks better?
The problem SLO has is that they are investing in infrastructure and they have a $9 million general fund transfer to capital programs – streets, parks etc. Yes they have a deficit to deal with but only because they have the vision/capacity to maintain things Davis can not afford.
I think you should compare the two budget in detail – Davis and SLO. I do not have time to do that
But the 2009 general fund budgets are
Davis
Revenue $39.8 million
Expenditures $41.9 million
SLO
Revenue $53.6 million
Expenditures $48.3 million
Which one looks better?
The problem SLO has is that they are investing in infrastructure and they have a $9 million general fund transfer to capital programs – streets, parks etc. Yes they have a deficit to deal with but only because they have the vision/capacity to maintain things Davis can not afford.
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
If you have little stake and faith in Davis, why would you continue to live here?
Presumably if you disapprove of the way the city of Davis is running things, you look more favorably at the way Woodland and West Sacramento manage their affairs?
If you enjoy shopping in “big box” stores, why not live closer to where they’re situated?
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
If you have little stake and faith in Davis, why would you continue to live here?
Presumably if you disapprove of the way the city of Davis is running things, you look more favorably at the way Woodland and West Sacramento manage their affairs?
If you enjoy shopping in “big box” stores, why not live closer to where they’re situated?
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
If you have little stake and faith in Davis, why would you continue to live here?
Presumably if you disapprove of the way the city of Davis is running things, you look more favorably at the way Woodland and West Sacramento manage their affairs?
If you enjoy shopping in “big box” stores, why not live closer to where they’re situated?
It’s she and I could care less if Davis raises or lowers your taxes. We don’t own a house here. Besides, Sue already says it doesn’t matter in the long run anyways.
You want zero growth, you get zero growth. Income is part of that package. Come up with some affordable housing and Davis can gladly have my tax revenue.
That said, we’re the only people I know who shop elsewhere for political reasons. Everyone else I know just does it to save money.
If you have little stake and faith in Davis, why would you continue to live here?
Presumably if you disapprove of the way the city of Davis is running things, you look more favorably at the way Woodland and West Sacramento manage their affairs?
If you enjoy shopping in “big box” stores, why not live closer to where they’re situated?
dpd said.. In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
dpd said again.. The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
DPD also provided info regarding Roseville and vacaville’s problems, concluding that “they are in trouble too, so sales tax is not the issue”.
Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further.
dpd said.. In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
dpd said again.. The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
DPD also provided info regarding Roseville and vacaville’s problems, concluding that “they are in trouble too, so sales tax is not the issue”.
Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further.
dpd said.. In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
dpd said again.. The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
DPD also provided info regarding Roseville and vacaville’s problems, concluding that “they are in trouble too, so sales tax is not the issue”.
Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further.
dpd said.. In theory it sounds good, in practice, again using San Luis Obispo as the example, they are in worse debt than we are. So I do not believe we would really be better off.
dpd said again.. The picture is clear.”
How is the picture clear?
That’s only a tiny portion of the issue that people are focusing on.
A good question would be what their fiscal situation is–I know SLO’s and it’s worse than ours. So is the picture really that clear?
DPD also provided info regarding Roseville and vacaville’s problems, concluding that “they are in trouble too, so sales tax is not the issue”.
Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further.
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Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further. “
I don’t disagree with this view, but people seem to be arguing that this is the fix to the budget problem and the preponderance of the data doesn’t show that. One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
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Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further. “
I don’t disagree with this view, but people seem to be arguing that this is the fix to the budget problem and the preponderance of the data doesn’t show that. One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
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Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further. “
I don’t disagree with this view, but people seem to be arguing that this is the fix to the budget problem and the preponderance of the data doesn’t show that. One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
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Clearly, revenues are down for all municipalities, and since municipalities generally spend the revenue that they receive, then all municipalities have a problem. The evidence revealed by the sales tax numbers demonstrates that Davis receives a very low per capita sales tax compared to many municipalities and there is an avenue for Davis to raise its revenues to alleviate the budget problem in Davis and to avoid taxing its citizens further. “
I don’t disagree with this view, but people seem to be arguing that this is the fix to the budget problem and the preponderance of the data doesn’t show that. One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
I own rental properties in Davis and SLO, and don’t live in either town because I can’t stand the “smarter than thou” attitude of the “educated class”. While I don’t like living with you, I do appreciate the progressive mentality. Your “no growth” stance in both towns have made my investments golden – no vacancies and rents increase by 5% every year. I think I have found an investment thesis to build around. Please continue to argue about ideology without addressing your problems so that I can exploit this situation more fully.
I own rental properties in Davis and SLO, and don’t live in either town because I can’t stand the “smarter than thou” attitude of the “educated class”. While I don’t like living with you, I do appreciate the progressive mentality. Your “no growth” stance in both towns have made my investments golden – no vacancies and rents increase by 5% every year. I think I have found an investment thesis to build around. Please continue to argue about ideology without addressing your problems so that I can exploit this situation more fully.
I own rental properties in Davis and SLO, and don’t live in either town because I can’t stand the “smarter than thou” attitude of the “educated class”. While I don’t like living with you, I do appreciate the progressive mentality. Your “no growth” stance in both towns have made my investments golden – no vacancies and rents increase by 5% every year. I think I have found an investment thesis to build around. Please continue to argue about ideology without addressing your problems so that I can exploit this situation more fully.
I own rental properties in Davis and SLO, and don’t live in either town because I can’t stand the “smarter than thou” attitude of the “educated class”. While I don’t like living with you, I do appreciate the progressive mentality. Your “no growth” stance in both towns have made my investments golden – no vacancies and rents increase by 5% every year. I think I have found an investment thesis to build around. Please continue to argue about ideology without addressing your problems so that I can exploit this situation more fully.
One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
David, You seem to say you’re in favor of something that we don’t need. Can you explain?
One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
David, You seem to say you’re in favor of something that we don’t need. Can you explain?
One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
David, You seem to say you’re in favor of something that we don’t need. Can you explain?
One of the reasons I was in favor of commercial development at Cannery is because we do not need commercial expansion.
David, You seem to say you’re in favor of something that we don’t need. Can you explain?