Family and friends are not accepting the official word from the Sheriff’s Department that it was a suicide and that the case is closed. Instead they have hired their own investigator, Frank Roman, a former Santa Clara Sheriff’s detective who invited CBS 13 and the Vanguard to the ranch to see the scene for ourselves.
According to Mr. Roman, the Sheriff’s Department believes that Mr. King inserted a bullet into a large socket of a socket wrench, perhaps held the socket with a pair of pliers in his left hand to his right temple, then struck the bullet with a hammer causing it to fire into his head.
“I am told by a family member that the theory is that he had taken a 270 bullet, put it in here and soldered something on the end of it and… did this [demonstrated hitting the hammer into the socket while holding it to his right temple with his left hand].”
Walking through the scenario, the scenario appears plausible, at least physically.
“You have to make contact with the primer that fires the bullet,” he said, “And it is possible. It clearly is possible.”
However, Mr. Roman questioned whether such a scenario could have played out, given the limited amount of space, positioning of the body, location where the socket was found, and other factors.
“If you look at the stairwell,” Frank Roman described, “it’s not very wide. I know for certain where the body lay because I interviewed the gentleman who was actually the first man on the scene.”
One of the questions that Mr. Roman asks is whether, given the small amount of space between where Mr. King must have been and the window, he could have produced enough force to cause the bullet to fire.
“Myself and two investigators spent a lot of time, using a rubber hammer… to hold this [pointing to the socket head] to your head, and again, the throw is a distance of about 16 inches. Could you do this with enough force and hit it the first time and discharge it?” Mr. Roman said. “That’s what’s very questionable here.”
However, others have suggested that if the bullet were rigged up properly to form a makeshift zipgun, it might not have taken a lot of force to fire the bullet. The question is how much force behind it the bullet would have and how deeply it would be able to penetrate someone’s head.
Mr. Roman did not discount that it could have happened, but points to another potential problem in the official story.
“Could it happen? Yes,” Frank Roman told reporters on Tuesday. “But in the course of my investigation, I also determined that two years ago Mr. King had a major accident here at the ranch.”
Wayne King fell twenty-five feet from a tree and shattered his right hand and right wrist. It resulted in numerous pins and other corrective measures to his hand.
“We found out, he had a very large problem grasping items,” Mr. Roman said.
Frank Roman also reported talking to a neighbor, who lives across the way less than 100 yards from the scene. This man told Mr. Roman that he heard three gunshots between 3 and 3:30 pm.
“He said his dog jumped up on his lap, [after the first shot], he came outside and he heard two more gunshots,” Mr. Roman said.
At 8 pm after the shooting, the Sheriff showed up at the neighbor’s front door to interview him. Frank Roman said that the individual was told not to speak to anyone about hearing the three shots, and that he was so shaken by this incident that he and his wife have moved from their residence.
Why would Wayne King have needed to use the homemade weapon to kill himself, though? Frank Roman told us that guns were readily available to Mr. King, a very short distance away.
“The gentleman that heard the gunshots also has guns available and he knew Wayne very well,” Mr. Roman said. “There are also guns in the home which is owned by the property owners and Wayne had access because they were out of town.”
“I question, why go through all this when you have access to guns within 100 yards of your residence,” Mr. Roman stated.
Frank Roman acknowledged that he has yet to speak to the Sheriff or Coroner about this matter, though he intends to.
When asked if he believes Mr. King was murdered, he responded, “I haven’t concluded that yet.”
But he does not preclude it. “It’s a possibility, it’s clearly a possibility,” he said, “But there needs to be more investigation.”
“My hope is that we can come up with enough information here that perhaps they’ll re-open this case,” Mr. Roman stated.
You can watch a full segment of Mr. Roman walking myself and CBS 13 through the scene and the known info here:
Commentary
We fairly meticulously walked through the scene on Tuesday. If this were Mythbusters, we would conclude the scenario is plausible. Plausible in that someone could have constructed and fired a weapon as described, and if they had it could have and likely would have been lethal.
There are a number of key questions that we do not know, but we believe the coroner would know, such as the depth of the bullet and whether that is consistent with this type of makeshift weapon.
And that’s the problem I have at this point, that the coroner has access to much more information than the public or even Mr. Roman, and the coroner has concluded that it was suicide. That suggests that, for the coroner to be wrong, he either must be part of some grand conspiracy or have made some sort of serious error that, given his experience and expertise, seems unlikely.
That leads me toward the conclusion that perhaps this really was a suicide, in a very strange and unique manner.
That said, for me there are still some very troubling inconsistencies.
First, why concoct a handmade weapon when guns were readily available, nearby, and accessible to Mr. King?
Second, I am troubled by the fact that his hand was injured and unable to grip basic tools. Why use your right hand that is injured to swing the hammer?
Moreover, that problem is compounded by the lack of clearance by which to swing a hammer on the right side. Would it not have made more sense to swing the hammer with the uninjured left hand where there was considerably more space?
Third, the fact that the neighbor heard three shots is of interest, as it seems implausible that he could have fired the weapon more than once.
Other questions that arise probably have answers known to the coroner and are therefore less concerning, unless we wish to veer into conspiracy realm.
On the other hand, I tend to discount statements from friends and family members about the state of mind Wayne King was in. They say there were no indications of suidical tendencies. There are too many people who commit suicide, seemingly out of the blue, to rule it out on that basis.
At this point I believe the incident is worth investigating. It is troubling that we have heard from sources that the Sheriff’s Deputies who handled the scene were young and inexperienced.
There is a suggestion that they had closed the investigation too soon and therefore may have missed something. One thing we noticed is that the ranch had a lot of tools and junk lying around. For instance we found an old knife lying on the ground inches from where the Sheriff’s Department was said to have found the socket.
They also apparently found a soldering iron and a glue gun that could have been used to affix the bullet in the socket, but both were said to have been non-functional.
These are certainly enough questions to at least look a bit further before reaching a conclusion that it was indeed suicide.
The Sheriff’s Deparment, in an unusual case like this, probably should have given out more detailed information than they would have ordinarily. It may have forestalled some of the questions and perhaps even this investigation. It is understandable that they wished not to put the family through anything more, but the family appears to have as many questions as the public. It seems that erring on the side of more information might have smoothed this over.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
David G., Frank Roman and Media 31
– We did not authorize the news or media to access our property. You were all aware of this and took advantage of us. We were out of town yesterday. Frank Roman asked if he could come on site to look around. We agreed to this. He did not have permission to bring any media on site or give out private information. Frank asked us if he could investigate and we agreed . The posts and photos and information up here need to be deleted immediately. It is posted on our front gate, no photos taken without permission. This is TOTALLY Inappropriate for his family and us. This is an invasion of privacy and no different than the other blog has done to us. We have been through enough. Please remove it immediately. We concur with the coroner that it is a suicide and initially had some doubt as we did not have all of the information they had at that time.
Brenda Cedarblade
Sorry that you are obviously suffering, Brenda. But this is not all about you. We have a right to know, especially since you have used the media to call into question the behavior of our local law enforcement, over and over. There is nothing inappropriate or demeaning in the post or the video. It is just an explanation and will do more to stop speculation than keeping it hidden.
I was not sure how large a .270 bullet is. This gives you some idea that it is a very large bullet, designed for hunting big game with a powerful rifle:
[img]http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/270bullet.jpg[/img]
Regarding Mr. King’s right hand: It seems to me possible that the reason he maintained a grip on the hammer even after falling to the ground and dying was [i]because his injury of two years ago caused his muscles in his right hand to spasm[/i]. That is, once he got a grip on that hammer, his muscles would not relax on their own. By contrast, a person with a normal right hand would have lost his grip once the bullet was fired and he fell.
Mr. Roman raises good questions about the spatial relationship on that porch and why the body would rest where it did. However, it seems to me that if King was a step or two down (as Mr. Roman seemed to think he was in the video) and he was angled at 45-60 degrees to the trailer–Roman kept positioning him at 90 degrees to the trailer–then his final resting place makes perfect sense. That is, he would have had plenty of room to strike the makeshift weapon (at that angle), he would have hit the railing with his left side after the bullet entered his temple, and he would have fallen back, landing on his back or rolling onto his back on the porch where Roman says King was found.
The best question, the one that makes the makeshift weapon scenario so hard to believe, is why King would not have just used one of the many guns available to him on the ranch? I don’t understand that. On the other hand, if this were a murder and the hammer and socket set-up were only there to make investigators incorrectly think King had committed suicide, why wouldn’t they have made it look like King had used a standard weapon?
I wonder about the second picture – the one with the unbroken window. If a .270 shell was ignited that close to the window, the window would have shattered – either due to the explosion or the kick that would have driven the hammer backwards not the window.
Alphonso, no doubt there would have been some explosive kickback, even if the bullet were fired by a makeshift gun. However, why assume that the hammer was as close to the window as Mr. Roman assumes? And why assume that the trajectory of the hammer into the socket wrench was 90 degrees? If the angle was 45 degrees, the distance of the point of impact to the window increases by 41%. (That is, d times the sq. root of 2.)
DMG, “According to Mr. Roman, the Sheriff’s Department believes that Mr. King inserted a bullet into a large socket of a socket wrench, perhaps held the socket with a pair of pliers in his left hand to his right temple, then struck the bullet with a hammer causing it to fire into his head.”
From whom did he receive this summary of events? Did he receive it firsthand or through another party, such as Mr. King’s family members?
DMG, “Mr. Roman questioned whether such a scenario could have played out, given the limited amount of space, positioning of the body, location where the socket was found, and other factors.”
How does Mr. Roman know precisely where the socket was located? Did the witness tell him?
DMG, “Frank Roman also reported talking to a neighbor, who lives across the way less than 100 yards from the scene. This man told Mr. Roman that he heard three gunshots between 3 and 3:30 pm.”
Do we know if it’s possible for the single fire from the homemade gun to have echoed, thus sounding as though three shots were fired as opposed to one? Is that a possibility?
“He said his dog jumped up on his lap, [after the first shot], he came outside and he heard two more gunshots,”
So he said he did hear the first shot? How much time lapsed between the dog jumping on his lap and him stepping outside and how much time passed between each “shot?”
Did this man go back inside immediately? Did he mention hearing or witnessing any vehicles drive pass between the time he heard the “shots” and when the Sheriff’s Department arrived on the scene? Is the layout of the land and roads such that anyone coming or going would have had to drive past or near this man’s home if leaving the scene by car/truck?
DMG, “At 8 pm after the shooting, the Sheriff showed up at the neighbor’s front door to interview him.
Frank Roman said that the individual was told not to speak to anyone about hearing the three shots”
Did Sheriff Prieto personally speak to this man? Further, did the leo who spoke with him state explicitly “don’t mention hearing three shots to anyone?” Is it possible that the leo said something to the effect of “blah, blah, blah, this is an ongoing investigation so don’t speak to anyone about it with anyone?”
DMG, “that he [man who heard “shots”] was so shaken by this incident that he and his wife have moved from their residence.”
Due to what exactly? He believes this man was murdered and his life is in danger? Is he fearful of some retaliation by the SD?
Mr. Roman stated, “I am told by a family member that the theory is that he had taken a 270 bullet…”
The Sheriff’s Dept. and/or Coroner told the family member this?
Mr. Roman opined, “I know for certain where the body lay because I interviewed the gentleman who was actually the first man on the scene.”
I have a problem with this statement as Roman claims to know the positioning of the body “for certain” based on the secondhand recollection of a man whose credibility and character we know nothing about? Is that the sole basis for this assertion of his?
Mr Roman, “Could you do this with enough force and hit it the first time and discharge it?”
Doesn’t that all depend on the amount of force required for a successful discharge? Does Mr. Roman know? Also, what difference does it make if the first attempt was successful, how does Roman know that to be the case anyway?
Mr. Roman, “We found out, he had a very large problem grasping items,”
How did Mr. King execute his duties on the ranch, then? Seems like that would make his job extremely difficult if his ability grasping things, such as a hammer, is questionable.
FR, “The gentleman that heard the gunshots also has guns available and he knew Wayne very well,”
Did Mr. King know this man had firearms? Had Mr. King asked to borrow one of this guy’s guns before? Assuming Mr. King really wanted to kill himself, by shooting himself in the head, he probably wasn’t going to be asking for a rifle. If he asked this man for a handgun, the guy might become suspicious, no?
FR, “There are also guns in the home which is owned by the property owners and Wayne had access because they were out of town.”
Does Mr. Roman or anyone else know if Mr. King knew there were guns in the home and where to find them? Assuming the answer to both is yes, were the weapons locked up? Just because there were guns in the home and the homeowners were out of town that doesn’t necessarily suggest that Mr. King had “access” to them.
FR, “I question, why go through all this when you have access to guns within 100 yards of your residence,”
Is he talking about the property owners or the man who lives down the way?
Anyway, specifically what type of guns did Mr. King have “access” to? Riffles or handguns? Assuming he did have “access” to all these guns, how difficult would it be for one to shoot oneself in the head with a rifle?
If he could not get his hands on a handgun, but stumbled upon rifles and some bullets (.270 mm) used for high-powered rifles and hunting, could it be that Mr. King engineering a handgun and using those bullets used for riffles/hunting was the most feasible option…if his goal was to end his life by shooting himself in his head?
Given his purported condition perhaps this was the only means by which Mr. King could reach this end (shot to the head). Is this less plausible? Seeing as he had difficulty grasping things, whouldn’t that make the rifle option highly unlikely (assuming he didn’t have “access” to a handgun).
BTW, Has anyone been asked whether or not Mr. King possessed the knowledge and ingenuity to craft such a weapon/plan?
If the makeshift gun was not the weapon used to fire the bullet that killed Mr. King, wouldn’t bullet forensics be able rule out the socket as the “barrel” through which the bullet had traveled if the weapon used in this case had been a “standard weapon?”
Superfluous:
Lots of questions, I will do my best to attempt to answer them.
“From whom did he receive this summary of events? Did he receive it firsthand or through another party, such as Mr. King’s family members?”
It seemed like he put it together through witness interviews and also what the Coroner Provided them.
“How does Mr. Roman know precisely where the socket was located? Did the witness tell him? “
They covered over a hole that they had dug retrieving the socket. Not sure if that was in the coroner’s report or from witness statements.
“Do we know if it’s possible for the single fire from the homemade gun to have echoed, thus sounding as though three shots were fired as opposed to one? Is that a possibility?”
It was too far apart for that to be the case, the guy heard the shot, his dog came in, they went out, and then they heard the second nad third shots.
“So he said he did hear the first shot? How much time lapsed between the dog jumping on his lap and him stepping outside and how much time passed between each “shot?” “
It sounded like they went out pretty quickly, but it wouldn’t have been in time to hear an echo.
“Did this man go back inside immediately? Did he mention hearing or witnessing any vehicles drive pass between the time he heard the “shots” and when the Sheriff’s Department arrived on the scene? Is the layout of the land and roads such that anyone coming or going would have had to drive past or near this man’s home if leaving the scene by car/truck? “
Good questions, but do not know.
“Did Sheriff Prieto personally speak to this man?”
It sounded like it was one of the young deputies.
“Further, did the leo who spoke with him state explicitly “don’t mention hearing three shots to anyone?” Is it possible that the leo said something to the effect of “blah, blah, blah, this is an ongoing investigation so don’t speak to anyone about it with anyone?” “
That is the question we asked at the ranch and we do not know the answer.
“Due to what exactly? He believes this man was murdered and his life is in danger? Is he fearful of some retaliation by the SD? “
I don’t know for sure, the sense I got was that he was shaken by his treatment by the police, his wife was told to stay in her room, he was taken away in a deputies vehicle, and then told to keep quiet. It must have been unsettling to him.
Continued…
“The Sheriff’s Dept. and/or Coroner told the family member this? “
I believe so.
“I have a problem with this statement as Roman claims to know the positioning of the body “for certain” based on the secondhand recollection of a man whose credibility and character we know nothing about? Is that the sole basis for this assertion of his?”
No, we know where the head was lying because of the blood soaked area of the porch and we know the positioning somewhat from the coroner’s report.
“Doesn’t that all depend on the amount of force required for a successful discharge? Does Mr. Roman know? “
He didn’t know and wanted to look it up. One of the fire arms experts I talked to thought with primer and a nail (which it appears to have) it would not take a tremendous amount of the porch.
“Also, what difference does it make if the first attempt was successful, how does Roman know that to be the case anyway? “
It does because he would have hit himself in the side of the face with the hammer if he missed the first time and that would have left a bruise.
“How did Mr. King execute his duties on the ranch, then? Seems like that would make his job extremely difficult if his ability grasping things, such as a hammer, is questionable. “
Apparently he was the foreperson.
Continued…
“Did Mr. King know this man had firearms?”
Yes.
“Had Mr. King asked to borrow one of this guy’s guns before?”
I don’t know.
“Assuming Mr. King really wanted to kill himself, by shooting himself in the head, he probably wasn’t going to be asking for a rifle. If he asked this man for a handgun, the guy might become suspicious, no?”
That could be, but that is not the only access to weapons.
“Does Mr. Roman or anyone else know if Mr. King knew there were guns in the home and where to find them? Assuming the answer to both is yes, were the weapons locked up? Just because there were guns in the home and the homeowners were out of town that doesn’t necessarily suggest that Mr. King had “access” to them. “
I don’t know the answer to this one.
“Is he talking about the property owners or the man who lives down the way? “
Both.
“Anyway, specifically what type of guns did Mr. King have “access” to? Riffles or handguns? Assuming he did have “access” to all these guns, how difficult would it be for one to shoot oneself in the head with a rifle? “
I don’t know what kinds of weapons there were, my guess is all sorts as it was a ranch in the rural part of the county.
“If he could not get his hands on a handgun, but stumbled upon rifles and some bullets (.270 mm) used for high-powered rifles and hunting, could it be that Mr. King engineering a handgun and using those bullets used for riffles/hunting was the most feasible option…if his goal was to end his life by shooting himself in his head? “
Based on what we know, I cannot rule it out.
“Given his purported condition perhaps this was the only means by which Mr. King could reach this end (shot to the head). Is this less plausible? Seeing as he had difficulty grasping things, whouldn’t that make the rifle option highly unlikely (assuming he didn’t have “access” to a handgun).”
It seems like you could rig up a rifle if needed, I’m sure we could google and find rifles used in suicides fairly easily.
“BTW, Has anyone been asked whether or not Mr. King possessed the knowledge and ingenuity to craft such a weapon/plan? “
That’s a pretty good question that I don’t know for sure.
“If the makeshift gun was not the weapon used to fire the bullet that killed Mr. King, wouldn’t bullet forensics be able rule out the socket as the “barrel” through which the bullet had traveled if the weapon used in this case had been a “standard weapon?”
That’s part of why I am leaning towards the suicide theory, because the coroner and Sheriff’s Department should know these questions and we of course are not privy to that information.
Lots of conjecturing going on here, most of it by folks who know little about basic balistics. Let me see if I can shed a little light here.
270 caliber cartridges (a cartridge is a shell containing a primer, propellent and a bullet) is commonly used for hunting of deer size game animals. Typically it fires a 130 grain bullet at approximately 2800-3000 feet per second through a 24-28 inch barrel. The bullet’s speed is a factor in how much penetration force is delivered to the intended target. The longer the barrel, the faster the bullet travels and by extension, the more force is delivered to the target. In order for the gun to produce the force necessary to push the projectile down the barrel, the chamber(where the bullet is located at the time the primer ignites the propellant)must fit the cartridge tightly enough to allow for very little expansion of the shell.Then the expanding gasses from the ignition of the propellant forces the bullet down the very tightly fitting barrel.
If, in the alleged use of a socket as a firearm, the shell casing would show extreme disfigurement from expansion because it was not confined in a tight fitting chamber when fired. The bullet(presumably recovered by the coroner from the victim’s head) would have no rifling marks because rifling(which causes bullets to spin in flight to produce accuracy at distance) is found only in the barrels of firearms. A socket has no barrel.
Because a socket has no way of concentrating the expanding gasses from the burning of propellant behind the bullet, it is highly unlikely that the bullet would gain enough velocity to penetrate the victims scull, much less exit from the other side. It would be very difficult to impossible to get a 270 caliber bullet to enter a victims scull and not exit using a rifle, even at several hundred yards distance.
It sounded, from the police description of the victim’s body, like there was an entry wound but no exit wound. Some very basic facts that should be in a police report, combined with a very basic knowledge of ballistics should put an end to any conjecture about weather Mr. King died from a homemade zip gun, discharged from point blank range, or was shot by a firearm.
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David, thanks for responding.
DMG, “They covered over a hole that they had dug retrieving the socket. Not sure if that was in the coroner’s report or from witness statements.”
“They” being the deputies? So the socket was imbedded in the ground?
DMG, “It sounded like it was one of the young deputies”
Okay, wasn’t sure because you mentioned that the “Sheriff showed up at the neighbor’s front door to interview him.”
DMG, “That is the question [deputy telling man to keep quiet about the “shots”] we asked at the ranch and we do not know the answer.”
So you asked Mr. Roman and he did not know the answer? Am I mistaken, didn’t he speak with this man?
DMG, “his wife was told to stay in her room, he was taken away in a deputies vehicle, and then told to keep quiet.”
Did Mr. Roman believe this to be normal procedure given the circumstances of this case?
DMG, “It was too far apart for that to be the case, the guy heard the shot, his dog came in, they went out, and then they heard the second nad third shots.”
Roman mentioned that this man was ill. Was he feverish, because that can affect one’s senses? Was he experiencing any congestion at the time?
DMG, “No, we know where the head was lying because of the blood soaked area of the porch and we know the positioning somewhat from the coroner’s report.”
I see, well Mr. Roman remarked, “I know for certain where the body lay because I interviewed the gentleman who was actually the first man on the scene.”
That’s why I had a problem with his statement. He didn’t mention (or it was left out here) all the other factors you did.
DMG, “He didn’t know [pressure required for a successful fire] and wanted to look it up.”
He didn’t think to do that prior to bringing the media out to the scene? I would think that would be of great significance to whatever that was (demonstration?).
DMG, “It does because he would have hit himself in the side of the face with the hammer if he missed the first time and that would have left a bruise.”
Not necessarily. He could have hit another part of the homemade weapon (missing the part which would “fire” the gun), which could cause the hammer to ricochet and thus miss his face entirely, just graze his face or lessen the impact enough so that a mark/bruise would not have resulted.
If such little force is required, if he missed and directly hit his own face that might not cause a bruise.
DMG, “I don’t know what kinds of weapons there were, my guess is all sorts as it was a ranch in the rural part of the county.”
I know people who live in rural areas who do not own handguns. FWIW, the ranch isn’t exactly in bumblef***. Googlemaps puts it at not even 1 mile out of town.
Did Roman not ask the man or the property owners specifically which types of guns they owned (ie rifles or handguns)? Seems like an important detail, seeing as a lot of Roman’s skepticism is based on Mr. King having “access” to guns.
DMG, “It seems like you could rig up a rifle if needed, I’m sure we could google and find rifles used in suicides fairly easily.”
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that option may not have been any more viable than the homemade gun plan. We still have no clue if he truly had “access” to the weapons. We don’t know if they were all locked up in the house or if Mr. King even knew where to find them. Roman doesn’t know or didn’t ask, I assume?
Did Roman ask or does he know if any .270 caliber ammo boxes were missing bullets? Did they have any, chambered or lying around?
Roger, thanks for the insight.
I think it would be foolish for someone to list what weapons may or may not be available in the ranch owner’s home, given that it’s pretty easy to locate the ranch and the house.
Also Superfluous Man you asked how Wayne could do his job if he had trouble grasping things in his right hand… Do you have any idea what his job required? He took care of the animals and drug the arenas and did general maintenance… he wasn’t working construction, he didn’t spend hours swinging a hammer.
That said, I think that Brenda has asked that the photos and this article be removed and her wishs should be respected.
Fourmare,
“I think it would be foolish for someone to list what weapons may or may not be available in the ranch owner’s home, given that it’s pretty easy to locate the ranch and the house.”
Why? What difference would it make if people knew if they had rifles, handguns or both at the ranch or house? Regardless, my concern was not just that, but also whether or not Roman even asked.
“Also Superfluous Man you asked how Wayne could do his job if he had trouble grasping things in his right hand… Do you have any idea what his job required?”
Do I know specifically what his job entailed, only what I have read? He has been described as a “ranch-hand” here and an employee of the Nelson Ranch elsewhere, which I presumed to involve grasping things regularly. Was that a stretch?
“He…did general maintenance…”
Which would not require gripping things?
“he wasn’t working construction, he didn’t spend hours swinging a hammer.”
Okay, I was only making a point…in response to Roman’s suggestion that King had difficulty grasping things, thus making the hammer/socket setup all the more questionable. My point: if he’s able to get by as a ranch-hand, I doubt grabbing and swinging a hammer for a few seconds was that arduous for Mr. King.
“That said, I think that Brenda has asked that the photos and this article be removed and her wishs should be respected.”
Doesn’t look like anything is going to be removed.
Honestly, SM, I don’t think that Wayne would have had trouble grasping a hammer either… but I do know a weapons expert and a few ex cops who don’t think that the offical story makes much sense, but anything is possible, I suppose. He was a good guy and I’m sorry that he’s gone.
Fourmares,
“Honestly, SM, I don’t think that Wayne would have had trouble grasping a hammer either…”
Okay, that’s sort of what I figured.
“but I do know a weapons expert and a few ex cops who don’t think that the offical story makes much sense, but anything is possible, I suppose”
The circumstances are definitely strange.
“He was a good guy and I’m sorry that he’s gone.”
Sounds like it. Read in the Bee about how he reached out to troubled youth by bringing them out to the ranch and seemed to care a lot about those whom life had thrown around a bit.
The world needs more people like that…