Two very deeply flawed candidates faced off last night and it appears that Donald Trump will win the Electoral College and quite possibly lose the popular vote (the last I checked Hillary had a very narrow lead in that category).
My view of Hillary is that she was a bad candidate for perhaps somewhat different reasons than other people. The emails did not help her for sure, and she could never seem to get past that. It certainly did not help that internal campaign emails were hacked and then leaked to WikiLeaks. The baffling Comey decision was not good for her as well.
And yet, and this is just my opinion, I wonder how much this election turned out to even be about Hillary Clinton.
As an independent journalist, I find it amusing (if I can shed such an emotion this morning) as to how badly the Washington pundits called things. This really was Brexit, V 2.0. They never saw it coming.
The national polling might have been relatively okay if the race had been polled at a 3-point Hillary Clinton lead and she won by about 1 percentage point, that’s within the margins of error, for sure.
The problem was that, if your model is based on who the likely voters are and you fail to be able to account for who the likely voters are, you’re going to wiff. And in a series of close races, most of which came down in Trump’s favor, wiff they did.
As much as there is a lot made about the unpopularity of both candidates, this race remarkably came down to turnout and demographics. To me, that is what bodes ill for the future of this country. Most of those on the left (those who didn’t vote for Trump or Stein), held their nose and voted for Clinton. The Republicans may not have held their base as well, but Trump made up for it in record surges of rural, white, non-college educated voters.
In the end, an overwhelming number of people of color voted for Hillary Clinton. Women narrowly voted for Hillary Clinton. College educated whites split their vote almost down the middle. Non-educated whites voted overwhelmingly for Trump. That pundits missed in this race because they underestimated the numbers of those voters and their anger.
Maybe a candidate with less baggage or greater ability to handle that baggage would have prevailed over Trump. But I think that underestimates Trump. The pundits, I’ll put myself there as well, underestimated the level of anger in the electorate and they underestimated the skill by which Trump exploited that anger.
They liked that he was unbalanced and spoke out of turn. They want to, in the words of many, “burn down the swamp.” I heard interview after interview of the distrust of the politico class, the feeling of displacement in their own country, and that they wanted someone who can return their country to greatness.
It is a dying gasp in many ways. The demographic shift is against the white non-college educated rural voter base, but, in one election, the stars aligned, and they eked out another Electoral College engineered victory, even if they lacked the numerical numbers to be a popular vote majority.
That is, of course, no solace to the many who worry what a Trump presidency will actually look like. For all of the pundit talk about Trump being for Trump, in the end, he saved a number of Senate seats that looked to be lost. But what does a Trump administration look like? The Republicans have all levers of power, they will reshape the Supreme Court, but can they govern?
The biggest problem for the Trump supporters is that Trump is not going to be able to replace the high-quality manufacturing jobs that have gone overseas. We are now a post-industrial, technologically based economy – those jobs are gone and they aren’t coming back.
We stand now at a crossroads. For too long, the Democrats have forged a base of women, college-educated and people of color and they have left behind the white working class. For too long, the Republicans have consolidated into an unholy alliance between the religious right and the wealthy, and the two have increasingly divergent goals. But, in the long run, it is hard to see how the Republicans can remain a white-only party.
The undertones of racism, the playing of footsie with racist and alt-right elements by Trump is disconcerting, but I think the bigger problem is the growing divide between two Americas.
Trump talked last night about uniting all of the people, but his rhetoric makes that impossible. In the end, I am not sure what is more dangerous for our nation – the volatility of Trump the man or the deepening divide between two Americas.
On a final note, I was particularly bothered during the campaign by the modeling done by statistical analysts. My problem here is the use of percentages to denote the possibility of victory. They hugely fluctuated, which was bothersome. They also had these absurd percentages – in the 90s by election day – even the more conservative estimates (as in cautious, not politically conservative) had Hillary’s chances in the 70s.
As it turns out there was a problem with the models – they systematically misdiagnosed what the electorate would look like. But there is an even more fundamental problem – some of these models went back to the 1940s, but some only went back to the 1970s, when polling became more prevalent. I simply believe we don’t have the data to be able to model results as accurately as some believed.
I will say that consistently Nate Silver warned about the uncertainty and volatility of this race, but, even so, his modeling proved faulty – and mostly again because of the underlying problem with the polls, in that we misdiagnosed who would vote.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
And non-educated people of color overwhelmingly voted for Hillary.
I always have to laugh that the “pundits” only talk of how non-college educated whites voted but never point out that people of color who vote for Democrats are mostly non-college educated.
Probably because there is a big divide among whites between educated and non-educated, but not the same divide among people of color
No, I don’t think that’s it. It’s more just a case of the left taking their elitist swipes at the right. For instance, people had to be non-college educated in order to take the Trump bait. They never point out all the non-educated left that vote for Hillary.
I disagree. There are a couple of key demographics and the non-college educated white vote just jumps off the page. That’s what won Trump the election.
David wrote:
> There are a couple of key demographics and the non-college
> educated white vote just jumps off the page. That’s what won
> Trump the election.
Whites who didn’t graduate from college is the largest single group in America, bigger than whites who went to college and ALL blacks combined. The establishment Democrats “and” Republicans have been giving a big FU to the white working class for years and that is what won Trump the election…
I completely agree. White elites basically caused the rise of Trump.
What I think caused the rise of Trump is a demographic group that has struggled in the new global market and was not having its needs met by either party.
LOL, you mean the white elites that supposedly are on planes today moving to Canada, Australia, Europe, etc……?
Exactly… plus the way they, those not having their needs met, were treated by the white elites when they dared to complain. That treatment appears to be continuing.
The bigger problem is that Trump is not going to be able to bring high quality manufacturing jobs back, he’s unlikely to be able to change trade policies, so then what?
BP wrote:
> LOL, you mean the white elites that supposedly
> are on planes today moving to Canada, Australia,
> Europe, etc……?
Will anyone miss them?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-09/these-are-celebrities-who-vowed-leave-america-if-trump-wins
DG–re: “Probably because there is a big divide among whites between educated and non-educated, but not the same divide among people of color”
It is interesting to me that you consider the genetic factor of skin color to be more central to personal identity than the cultural factor of education. I would put the cultural factor of education to be a more important factor in identity than skin color. It seems to me that it is in large part due to this promotion of factors like race as being most important to personal identity that we currently have this huge vote split between poor blacks and poor whites; who really share the same problems of economic opportunity.
Genetic factor of skin conditions the environment in which people operate
We just survived 8 years of Obama who was often referred to as the Divider-in-Chief. Obama didn’t bring the country together either, if anything he made things much worse.
My liberal friends are so damn tone deaf to this point. They use identity politics to try and deflect from accountability for their ideological and policy failures. The simple fact is that the country has been going the wrong direction for more than 50% of existing Americans. You can continue to dismiss and denigrate more than 50% of the nation and then keep expecting it to bite you in the ass in a coming election.
Actually less than 50%.
Chamber Fan wrote:
> Actually less than 50%.
Do you really think that “less” than 50% of all Americans (of all political parties) will tell you that America is going in the right direction?
I know that “just under” 50% of males under 30 are living with mommy & daddy and “just over” 40% of student loan borrowers are not making payments but I’pretty sure everyone else is going to tell you things are just great…
http://www.newsmax.com/US/student-loan-borrowers-missing/2016/04/06/id/722673/
Obama is/was a great President, just ask him and he’ll tell you so.
I said eight years ago, and believe that this election confirms, that Obama misread his mandate in ’08. There was a messianic character to the election of Obama in the wake of the economic collapse and the Democrats thought this was momentum for the signature issue, health care. This despite the rising unemployment caused by the great recession. Even in 2016, though the numbers show low unemployment, they also show underemployment. They also show that wage gains did not go to large swaths of the population who still remain disaffected and must pay the rising premiums of the ACA.
The push for the ACA was always going to create a complicated sausage of a program. It barely got Democratic support in the House and in 2010 we saw the last of the Blue Dog Democrats go down to defeat (many for supporting it). There were enough poison pills in the ACA that it was going to be problematic throughout its first years. Voters were not willing to hear “keep the flawed program, we will fix it”. Those same voters did not listen to the calls of “Trump will tear it down and provide nothing in its place.” Then, a couple of weeks before the election, we saw the ACA numbers for 2017 jump and the repudiation of Obamacare was complete.
Yes, there was racism and yes, HRC was a centrist so that the young tilted for Stein or Johnson. I think opposition to the ACA, itself, is a product of a tribalist/racist mentality that “we don’t want to give THEM more of a free ride while WE have to pay increased premiums”. With this narrative it pitted the self employed or underemployed (who bore the brunt of premium increases) against the poor (who were subsidized by Medicaid). That’s always been a winning strategy – and was the strategy of the old Democratic Party in the south which divided white sharecroppers against newly freed blacks despite the fact that both groups had the same economic self interest.
I think the political tone deafness of the Democratic party – as embodied by the ACA, among other initiatives – was the main reason it was brought down to defeat.
As a side note, I would be very wary to believe even the exit polling in this election. What the pollsters have shown is not so much that models are flawed (many of the same models did extremely well in the past) but that the data collection this year was terribly flawed. Many respondents (or non respondents) did not want to admit they were voting for Trump. Why would they do so in exit polls?
I haven’t looked at this site in detail (way too tired) but a friend posted it and I think it is interesting.
http://oraclum.eu/election-2016-final-prediction/
Its methodology is (apparently) very different and attempts to “exploit the wisdom of the crowds” in doing its surveying. I’m not trying to argue for it per se, but the point is that people on the ground have a different sense of the pulse of their community than do pollsters – and people who voted for Trump apparently did not want to talk about it (neither beforehand, nor I believe, after the fact). However, their neighbors knew better who they were.
The exit polls showed that Kerry had won in 2004. Boy were they wrong.
I was listening to a radio show where the host warned everyone to beware of the exit polls. He said they’re usually left leaning and that they want to scare voters into thinking the election is over so that people might not bother to vote.
Another good thing that came out of this election is maybe now we can finally say adios to the Clintons. They can go back to their money laundering foundation and she can set up all the servers she wants in her closet.
BP wrote:
> They can go back to their money laundering foundation and she
> can set up all the servers she wants in her closet.
Until President Trump sends them both to jail…
They should go to jail but I doubt Trump will go after them. I do hope that Trump goes after the corruption in the State Dept, the IRS and the DOJ though.
Definitely after Mr T should go after the IRS! To make sure his tax returns are never ‘leaked’…
And, building a defensible wall that Mexico will pay for…
Deporting all who are undocumented…
Banning immigration for Syrian refugees…
Moratorium on allowing anyone of the Muslim faith from touching US soil… unless they are vetted, and pledge allegiance to Republican values
De-criminalizing “men behaving badly”.
Rebuilding infrastructure and simultaneously reducing taxes…
OK BP ‘you won’… take responsibility for all the promises Mr T made… may we have them all come to fruition… and may we survive them
Wow!
I seem to recall that “Marina” predicted this. Is that correct? Perhaps some others, as well?
Also – Michael Moore, it seems:
http://departed.co/michael-moore-predicts-sociopath-will-win-us-presidency
(Not certain of what was predicted on the Vanguard regarding this, since I generally don’t follow comments on the Vanguard that closely, regarding national issues.)
For the most part we weren’t allowed to discuss it.
Our posts about national politics would end up “bleached”.
BP: I can’t recall – did you predict this, as well?
No, I knew it would be close but I actually thought Hillary would win after the Bash tapes came out.
Look at the bright side, BP…
A ‘conservative’ person was elected President (apparently)… he will have conservative, and/or Republican majorities in both houses of Congress… go for it… and ‘inherit the wind’… and take responsibility for your views… when they can be put into practice…
[am assuming you voted, BP…]
Yeah I voted, always do. Did you work the Wildhorse location by chance?
Nope…
But will tell you a true story…@ 7:59:15 last night, at the polling place I worked, a drunk, angry woman came in to vote… she was very abusing to all poll workers present, and oblivious to the last remaining voter… she wanted to know how to work the voting machine… I patiently explained that she used the marker to vote her ballot… she asked “what ballot?”.. I pointed to the one she had in her hand, in the secrecy folder… she basically told me that we were stupid and were of no help… when she was done, she didn’t know what to do… it was late, and I had been up since 5 AM… I told her to put it in the manila envelope (my bad), as it was a “folder”, and bring it to the ballot box (my “spidey-sense” was that she wanted to do it herself)… she said “what envelope?”… I pointed to the manila folder in her hand… she then ranted off a string of criticisms, including “that is not a manila envelope”, it is a “folder… don’t you people know ANYTHING (emphasis hers)”… she could not go the 15 feet before she got it in the folder… then I told her to put the paper ballot into the ballot box, without the folder… she again lashed out, as I had ‘made her do something that was not necessary, and what kind of poll-worker are you? You should never do this again.’
Then she again ranted at the other poll-workers. Once she left, I commented, “someone apparently didn’t take her meds”… a fellow poll-worker told me, ‘she had her meds… ‘ then stated the chemical composition of alcohol… had not detected, as my nose doesn’t work so well when it’s getting cold… the other two poll-workers (checking her in, so had more “contact”) confirmed the ‘diagnosis’.
From what she muttered on the way out, she was a Trump supporter, and felt the election was ‘rigged’… [or, “drugged”?]
A 13-14 year young girl was with her mom, who was the only other voter present… she saw/heard all this, and I apologized to her for having to see all that… I didn’t want her to believe it was SOP (yes, double entendre intended)… she and her mom were gracious.
In 20+ years of working @ the polls, never encountered anything like this. And hope I never will again.
Sorry for the catharsis… good argument for civility (and sobriety)… needed to get that out of my system… this election, at least on the presidential stage, seemed to focus on anger. Sober or not..
Of course she was a Trump supporter because a Clinton supporter would never act like that.
Look to the last line of my post, a closing argument, if you will…
Your risposte goes to prove my point….
HPierce, thanks for the work that you and other poll workers do. When we heard the claims of “rigged” elections I often thought of people like you staffing the polling places, just trying to help their neighbors cast ballots. While I was in line last night, a man came in who was registered vote-by-mail. Seems his son, who had the same name, had sent in the father’s ballot under his name and now the father wanted to vote his son’s ballot at the polling place. He showed the workers his “sample” ballot, which turned out to be the son’s absentee (I think). The workers sorted through this with patience I do not possess. I thank them and you for giving your time to help the process.
Noname… thank you for the affirmation… GREATLY appreciated…
Many poll-workers have 10 + years of experience… we always welcome “newbies”… we pretty much do it for the respect of the process… and, for me, even more so, as I had travelled to Birmingham, Montgomery, and Selma AL in Oct to visit a family friend…
My first time in “the South”… when I was ~ 10 years old, the situation in AL (MS, etc,) was ‘weird’… have learned, re-enforced by that visit, seeing the actual places, museums (went to the Church that the four little Black girls were bombed, Edmund Pettus Bridge, the route of the famous march to Montgomery, etc.), the right to vote is very special to me… I grew up in CA, and (some would challenge any white person saying this) was ‘color-blind’… no prejudices… had close Black and Asian friends) did not understand, @ 10, and when I asked my parents, they said they did not understand either…
Also, as a poll-worker, witnessed a man with a deep Russian accent, coming to the polls, with his grand-daughter (~6-7), to vote… every step of the way, he explained to her how important the voting process is… he knew, as it was a “scam” where he grew up, but came to the US, became a citizen (wonder if he could do that if he came a year or so from now)… he wanted his grand-daughter to know this is something important.
Poll workers work from 6 A to ~ 9 P on election day [includes setup, handling ballots, take-down, etc.] … they also go thru a 1-2 hour training class (mandatory, before each election, unless there are ‘situations’), … total compensation: $ 150-170, depending on duties… over 22+ years, had two-three problem poll-workers…
I recommend that prior to criticizing poll-workers (and noname thanked us), you work as a poll-worker… I started when I was ~ 40… had to burn some vacation time, and as Mom had worked the polls when I was a kid (pre-kindergarten, and then for years thereafter), and I am an Eagle Scout (yeah, another reason to discount me), it just seemed right… @ young 60’s, was the “baby” @ the polls, this time… had the chance to encourage 17 year olds to work the polls (as well as their DHS teacher to bring 4-5 of his classes by)… our daughter did… before she went to college.
To me, the compensation is at best “beer money”… more likely the proceeds go to charities we support…
90% of the voters were gracious, appreciative, 5 % just figured we were ‘doing our jobs’ , ~4% were skeptical, and then there was the drunk lady.
Consider serving as a poll-worker, at least once…
Again, Noname, thank you for the affirmation that poll-workers are worthy of respect…
BP wrote:
> Our posts about national politics would end up “bleached”.
Do you mean like a “with a cloth dipped in bleach”?
LOL, believe it or not she or maybe her handlers were a little more sophisticated than she tried to portray herself as, BleachBit:
https://www.rt.com/usa/357308-clinton-emails-delete-software/
Yes BP… let the anger/gloating/smugness continue… good ideas for our future…
Give it a rest Hpierce. Sounds like the anger is coming out of you. Are you upset that Trump won?
Maybe BP, you should stop gloating and spurting all over the place, this is politics, and our country, not a sporting event. Real people are having to deal with the consequences of this. The sky is not falling, but the storm clouds are there and my company is losing investments as we speak.
I can’t rejoice that a candidate that I voted for was elected? I can only imagine the celebration from Democrats that we would be having today if Hillary had won. All we would be hearing about is the first female President, the glass ceiling has been broken……..
Well she didn’t win, deal with it.
Make one post, do it classy and move on.
> LOL, believe it or not she or maybe her handlers were a little
> more sophisticated than she tried to portray herself as
BP might want to buy some of these:
http://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something
hpierce wrote:
> Yes BP… let the anger/gloating/smugness continue…
Even after the Trump win it is hard to believe that those on the right will even get close to the anger/gloating/smugness we deal with from the left every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZeq9eXAys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XicDD8e1QA
P.S. I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary…
BP… re your 9:29 post,
Hell yes!… I am MORE upset and Clinton and Trump were our choices!
There were 4 Republican candidates who I would have cast a positive vote for… they were all eliminated by demagoguery, and media coverage of “the Donald”… since you ‘trumpet’ [Trump-ette?] his win, hope he and you get all your wishes, and hope we survive those.
[not that it matters, I voted for President, and it was neither for Clinton nor Trump… fed up with both of them… safe move in CA]
And I, perhaps like you decry the highlighted phrase… I am one of those most hated species… those who are neither right nor left, but who actually think… of those I know well, the “conservatives” consider me a “liberal”… the “liberals” consider me a “conservative”… I have VERY strong stands and opinions, based on personal experience, and personal judgement, informed by spiritual values that came from I know not where.
I will admit to ‘gloating’ when a “smug” individual gets their ‘come-uppence’ … my darker angels… my better angels tell me that is wrong, and potentially self-defeating.
Dad was a life-long Republican… I for many years, was a Democrat… when we compared notes, we had ~ 95% of the same views on things. Dad “thought” and evaluated things, too… guess that’s where I learned that..
hpierce wrote:
> I will admit to ‘gloating’ when a “smug” individual
> gets their ‘come-uppence’ … my darker angels…
There is nothing wrong with a little gloating when someone gets what they deserve I don’t know anyone that was not happy when Sue Greenwald got caught stealing signs a few years back and even most Hillary supporters will probably agree that this guy “got what he deserved”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i0ynFirPS4
On the local level…
I was pleased with the outcomes for the State Assembly, State Senate, Los Rios votes… half-pleased as to DJUSD trustee outcome.
I love BP’s bombasity. He’s not had to spend a morning reassuring investors that the sky is not about to fall.
I guess you missed my earlier post:
Barack Palin
November 9, 2016 at 6:56 am
I don’t know why you think Trump will be good for the economy. Alright my company is struggling with the potential of investors from overseas pulling out. The market crashed and has rebounded, the longer term future is iffy.
The market never “crashed” today. It’s had a range of down 80 to currently being up 175. The long term future is always iffy no matter who’s in office. I don’t think you understand financial markets.
Because Trump was elected? If so are you saying that happened overnight?
What business are you in?
One of the very fundamental realities that Trump (or Clinton if she had won) faces is that we currently are 7.5 years into the second longest Bull Market since the Great Depression. The average Bull Market is less than half that long at 3.6 years. The Economy is way overdue for a substantial correction and the markets are very skittish right now, looking for that event that will bring the Bear market out of its long hibernation. So what the markets did this morning was irrelevant. History tells us that Trump is going to be facing a real or impending Recession for the first two years of his term.
Crickets………
Matt, the only thing keeping the market propped are the low interest rates. There’s pretty much no place the average investor can put their money right now and get any return except for the stock market. It’s been obvious that the Fed has had a bandaid on the market since Obama has been President with the historically low interest rates. I agree with you, when the interest rates are allowed to go up we are probably looking at a recession no matter who is/might’ve been in office at the time.
OK BP, you have no money in international markets?
http://br.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/mdc_international.html
Oh, and you realize, BP that the Fed is independent of the President?
Who nominates the Fed Chairperson? That’ll answer your question.
BP who consents to the nomination? That will answer your riposte…
By your apparent logic, we should already have a new Supreme Court Justice, replacing Scalia…
Some comedic relief:
https://i.imgflip.com/w5ls8.jpg
Cute… probably tells us a lot about you… thank you for your post, here…
hpierce
The Obamorica is history . Get over with .
If wrote you english in manner understandable, might I… over yourself it get
And what does it tell you about me Hpierce? I’m all ears.
“But, in the long run, it is hard to see how the Republicans can remain a white-only party”
David
How did you come to the the conclusion that the Republican Party is a white -only party ? Could you please elaborate a little about your findings ? Are you a crypto Trump supporter ?
Historically, at least in CA, many Latinos were/are Republican… family values, etc. Not so such with the election of the ‘President-elect’…
hpierce wrote:
> Historically, at least in CA, many Latinos were/are
> Republican… family values, etc. Not so such with
> the election of the ‘President-elect’
The LA Times estimates that ~30% of Latinos voted for Trump.
I find it interesting that so many well educated liberals think ALL Latinos are fans of illegal immigration when in reality with an open border the guy that sneaks in today is more likely to push a poor Latino dishwasher out of his job than take the job of a Kaiser MD. Of the Latinos I know of it seems that most that get checks from the government were for Hillary while most that own small business were for Trump.
It looks like Hillary got the most votes from the real poor, the real rich , and the real liberal. My wife was recently at the Rosewood spa with some college friends that work on Sand Hill road who were supporting Hillary in a big way since they were worried that Trump will change the carried interest laws and they will have to pay an “extra $250K/year in income taxes”…
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/08/trump-tax-plan-has-big-implications-for-wall-street.html
hpierce
Historically many African -American are very conservative , they very religious members of Christian churches . Most Latinos are Catholics and historically majority of Catholics (of Irish , Polish , Italians decent ) together with majority of Jewish population voting for Democrats. This election was different because of no jobs , fifty million people on food stamps . No job no hope . I could easily compare Dems to the Polish United Workers Party (which actually was a communist party) which abounded workers and made them works for 30 dollars a months . Clinton described workers as deplorable than she became deplorable.
Jerry–H Clinton has long been deplorable and much worse.
Oh goody, Ruth Bader Ginsburg joked about leaving the country for New Zealand if Trump won.
Darn, maybe Trump will get to place two conservative pics on the SCOTUS sooner than we all thought.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ruth-bader-ginsburg-donald-trump-000000695.html
Quick, wake her up, her plane is leaving.
http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Ruth-Bader-Ginsburg-01.jpg
BP–don’t heed the naysayers; I for one enjoy your snarky comments. Are there still any planes left in America today, or have such celebrities all flown into other countries where their sniffy little selves need not countenance the ‘deplorables’ in america?
Thanks Tribe, obviously the naysayers don’t bother me or I would’ve been gone from this blog a long time ago. I enjoy needling them, some of them have very long chains.
The stock market is currently at an all time high.
LOL, some crash that was.
https://www.roburir.com/style/images/portfolio/screener.jpg
Sure is strange. Probably many convinced that their retirement savings were severely damaged, last night. (I’ll probably look for analyses online, later.)
Last night was a gut reaction but when it was logically thought out Trump is the better candidate for the economy. Investors realised that this morning.
oddly enough the peso tanked against the dollar last night, but it came back today… with Trump the relationships will improve….MX protects its small businesses and its skilled workers- such as carpenters and seamstresses and ensures that cheap garbage dollar items and the walmarts do not take over the livelihoods of the working class. viva la mexico ….
I don’t spend money on junk any more…I support hand made items in Davis and elsewhere
the consumer industry in the USA is out of hand… reduce, reuse and recycle. my family and I only shop the thrift stores…even R&R is out of the league…we wait until it is at the thrit next door and if it is sold earlier, then we didn’t really need it…right?
the poorest american has way more than those in the upper 50%tile of many countries…
the grab up and throw away society needs to change…. Trump will help with that…
How will Trump help with that? (“Honest” question.)
Ron.. by the time Mr T is through, the middle class and lower economic folk will HAVE to reduce, and they may need to reuse… not sure on the recycle part
hpierce: Good one. 🙂
But seriously, Marina seems to see something in Trump that perhaps the rest of us do not. I personally don’t have as negative a reaction to him, as some. Without engaging in a debate, I find Trump to be (probably) less “harmful” than Bush/Cheney, for example. I think a lot of the negative reaction to Trump is based on his uncouth statements, and that perhaps too much attention is paid to that. Clinton tried (unsuccessfully) to focus attention on that.
I don’t think Trump is a war-monger, or overly-bound to ideology, either. However, I suspect that his trade policies might ultimately hurt the economy, worldwide. (The environment, as well – with the possible exception of a reduction in consumerism, as you’ve cleverly noted.)
I suspect that Trump’s efforts to protect those “left behind” will hurt the overall economy. But, I guess the “investment world” doesn’t think so, after all. (At least, so far.)
Let’s see, come Jan 21 (and the next four (4) years)… and look at both US and international markets… I’m invested in both, but can wait out this thing…
The phallic thing in your graphic is interesting… front or rear ‘entry’?
or just “slapping the monkey” ?
A bit about me. My job and my wife’s job… all our financial eggs… they rely on a government agency that provides funding to a program that helps small business. This is a program that would be safer under Hillary Clinton. So it would be in our best interests to support Hillary Clinton. However, we see the growing divide between the new upper class and the working class. We see the corruption and collusion in Washington and the media. We see the working class falling farther and farther behind. We see that globalism is a fanciful idea that isn’t tempered with the realities of human tribalism… and it is damaging to too many people as less moral countries take advantage of our generosity/stupidity. Academics and the media have been wrong. They are ignorant about economics and ignorant about real human nature both at home and on the global stage. There may be a time in the future were we can all benefit from a new world order and a global community, but it is probably decades away. Knowing this we voted for what we thought was/is best for the country and not potentially good for us personally.
Now is the time for a reset. How do we reach back out to our brothers and sisters of lesser means… that don’t have the same opportunities that we with college degrees and white collar jobs have? How do we reinvigorate the American dream for all? That dream does not manifest in hand-outs. That dream requires opportunity derived from self-determination and hard work. That is what the human animial craves… to earn a good life, not have it handed to them by government.
I see this election as less about Trump vs. Hillary… this is a vote of the American idea… the American experimemt.
America really won in this election because it again proved that it will force those that would lead to lead in a way that is good for all.
Government by the people and for the people. We have been remined again.
Now time to get to work!
The Trump tax plan:
How much money will that net you?
actually, this simplified plan is kinda genius….in some ways my taxes will go up and in others it is more fair…for example the estate taxes ….that money has already been taxed and taxed and taxed again…
I would like the hard work of my uncle to not continue to be taxed again when I die and my share passes….
the estate tax needs to go….
my uncle was always stuck with the AMT…and yet, others who earned way more like the BO and the HRC paid less % wise….
some know how to play the game, right?
It is generally those at the most upper and lower extremes of the scales….
Good post Marina. We’ve all already paid taxes to get what we have so why should our estates be taxed again when we die? The AMT tax was never meant to lasso in the many people who get stuck with it now, it was supposed to just catch the more wealthy. It’s time to either repeal it or at the very least make it so once again it only affects the very upper tiers.
What ever it nets me will just be injected back into the economy. In my case it will be invested in new business that creates economic opportunities for others. I am not planning to retire until my health gives out.
I’m told retirement is bad for your health. Practically everyone who does it dies.
I am acquainted with young adults who make $25 – 30K per year, who now have health insurance for the first time in their lives because of the Affordable Care Act. They have health care because of the subsidies that are provided under the ACA. Two of them have serious pre-existing conditions. They have both had medical issues in the last year that led to bills in the tens of thousands of dollars. They pay some of their coverage cost, and the rest is paid by the subsidy.
I have read that the first thing the new president and congress wish to do is repeal Obamacare. The only thing they can do on their own is to de-fund it. That means strip out those subsidies.
The average Obamacare subsidy is $3300/year. It had enabled millions of Americans to get health care.
I keep hearing that the plan is to ‘repeal and replace’. But the only policy specifics that I have heard have to do with selling across state lines, which might have some marginal benefits in some markets, and allowing health savings accounts. HSA’s are not health insurance. In the case of the young adults I know, an HSA would have been of no benefit. They had tens of thousands of dollars in medical cost exposure.
So those of us with pre-existing conditions, and those who rely on the subsidies to receive health care, have good reason to be very concerned about our future. I spent enough years fighting for acceptable coverage, being denied, paying through the nose, and having my important costs uncovered, that I know I do not want to go back to that. Ever.
You are a high-paid executive, so I am almost certain that you will benefit from Trump’s tax breaks to an amount that far exceeds $3300 per year. It’s great that you plan to reinvest your tax savings into new business ideas. It would be wonderful if thousands of similar high-paid executives would do that. But that will not make up for the millions of dollars that will not be available to millions of Americans who will now be unable to afford health insurance.
You will benefit. They will lose. That is the consequence of this election. So it is pretty galling to hear you frame it as some kind of sacrifice on your part.
Frankly–excellent post; you bring up points that are ignored by the media and politicos–I see things in a very similar way. By the way, I thought Trump’s acceptance speech late Tuesday nite was superb, and I will enjoy seeing/hearing president Trump on TV and radio over the next four years or more; helping to unite and bring out the strength of the American people (as contrasted with the encouragement of the feeling of victimization that has been put out by the media and political establishment over the last several years in particular. Thanks goodness Hillarys screechy preachings and chastisements will be mainly out of media earshot soon!)
Earlier this year a book was published, titled Hillbilly Elegy. The author was born in the Appalacian (bad spelling) area of Kentucky to a dysfunctional family. He then went to live with his almost-as-bad grandparents in southwestern Ohio. When he got admitted to Harvard, he was ridiculed by other students because of his upbringing (he did not know how to correctly use cutlery or that one should wear a suit to a job interview.) Today he is a successful hedge fund manager in San Francisco.
I’ve heard radio interviews with the author, and he has commented on why Trump appeals to many lower and lower-middle income people, particularly in the middle and southern part of the country. He said these people have seen successive streams of presidential candidates of both parties visit their states, promising to finally “fix” their problems, and then nothing is done after the election. These are the people who have mined the coal and iron that fueled the traditional economy, have worked in the factories that produced the tanks, planes and other armaments that won our wars, and have sent their sons off to fight and die in foreign lands. In return, they saw their jobs vanish, witnessed Bush and Obama bail out the auto companies and banks, and their kids sink into drug addiction. Meanwhile, their pay remained static, assuming they still had jobs. So, according to the author, they were finally fed up with both parties. And, they did not consider Trump to be a Republican. They consider him a “party of one.” So, this may at least partially explain the election outcome.
Bingo.
They are real Americans being ignored because they don’t represent any political or money-making advantage to the ruling class. Trump noted them and their need for new leadership that would actually work for their benefits. Hillary just called them baskets of deplorables.
There is a difference between having real Americans who needs are ignored and their solution to those issues.
Exactly, also in the early 1920’s, in Italy and Germany… y’all know how that turned out…
Trump has no mustache, but he has a characteristic scowl/frown… but he’ll get the trains to run on time…
If Congress supports him… and as fellow Republicans, they should, right?
Exactly what I was thinking.
Scary, as David and I share very little politically, but something about a ‘stopped clock’…
http://thenewsjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hillary-nazi-gaga-620×420.png
http://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/hillary_salute.jpg
B.P. – For a series of contributions, I hereby “nominate” you for the funniest, best-timed overall images posted on the Vanguard. (I nominate Alan Miller in the funniest overall comments category.)
Why, thank you Ron. I accept the award.
Is this our Godwin’s Law moment?
You guys are hitting new lows.
And, with your posts, you are not… get it… heil BP…
On this thread, you have shown your stripes…
Was just playing along with you boys who started the Hitler analogy.
Yes, my stars and stripes. 🙂
We’ll just have to wait to see how Mr T articulates his plans/agendas… hope not like “candidate T”…
Have little faith (but some hope) that the Republicans who will dominate Congress, can “leash”/temper him… time will tell…
hpierce wrote:
> We’ll just have to wait to see how Mr T articulates his plans/agendas
I know from his posts that hpierce is open minded and has a similar (a little less cynical and a little less libertarian) political views than I do.
I just want to give him a heads up that the people who refer to the President as “Slick Willie”, “Shrub”, “Obozo” or “Mr. T” are typically closed minded partisan people that the open minded tend to avoid…
Point noted… will think on that… know also that I have physical issues that retard my typing speed, so often I abbrev.
jee and when I abbreviate, I get bashed around also…
From: Office of the Chancellor [mailto:officeofthechancellor@ucdavis.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 3:34 PM
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and I see…that the assumption is that since the Donald won, many UCD students are so upset and need counseling?
I have never seen the campus react in such an manner to elections and that goes back to 1970……
The gay chancellor and latina vice chancellor (both wonderful people, friends and leaders) however in this email are actually promoting the hate mongering and assumptions that somehow students and staff and faculty should be upset at who was chosen..
Truly fascinating to me.. correct?
This email to all was WAY more harmful than the election…this fosters and spreads lies about our new president, and all in the name of furthering some “disadvantaged agenda”….
Many immigrants are the Donald supporters..those who came with nothing and started their own businesses are much more likely to be republicans….but it also does tend to go along cultural lines.
Many in the asian and indian/pakistani etc communities fall into those categories….
Again, I acknowledge these are generalities but one doesn’t have to look very far to see the truth in this statement…
Look around at the large groups of owners of asian style restaurants and gas stations and mini marts etc…even in Davis…and certainly throughout CA.
UC Davis has been a safe haven for the LGBTQ etc initials since the 60s….well known in many circles throughout CA and the USA< and I, having been mostly raised in SF upon immigrating to the USA, always had many friends who were/are of those sexual orientations – in fact many of my closest friends and colleagues.
DHS was also much more welcoming than many other districts and my children always took lead roles in sharing kindess and acceptance to all of any color, creed and sexual orientation…
The mainstream media in the USA love to take things out of context and blow them up.
This is also a truly unfortunate example of someone’s agenda coloring their vision.
This saddened me..as it is an attempt to create a further divide….
And, certainly not appropriate behaviors for an interim chancellor and a vice chancellor.
“and I see…that the assumption is that since the Donald won, many UCD students are so upset and need counseling?”
Yes I think that is the situation. I don’t know if you are aware of this, but there is a huge amount of anxiety right now. A lot of students are bewildered. A lot of students are very concerned that their parents will have to leave the country. I know our 13 year old, has one friend whose family is leaving and several others are worried about it. My six year old has kids who were born here, but whose parents weren’t. Everyone is scared. Apparently you have no idea.
David I can see where the examples you’ve shown might have merit because of the rhetoric that was thrown around during the election. Trump has already walked much of that back and I really can’t believe some of the lies that are now being thrown around about his positions.
But we also have many students on campuses today that are a bunch of whiny cupcakes of oversensitive children who probably should’ve never left their parent’s home to get out in the world. We just had an election where they didn’t get their way so now they have to see a counselor and hole up in a safe space. How are they ever going to survive when they leave college?
Our perspective is very different obviously. I see the protests futile, but I think the anxiety and fear are real. I laid it all out in my columns today.
BP
“How are they ever going to survive when they leave college?”
There is this thing called empathy. It involves showing respect for the feelings of others even when you do not feel that way yourself. I believe that I have shown a great deal of resilience in my lifetime. I have never whined and cried, but always relied upon my own resources. And yet, I am now sitting here writing, while fighting back waves of stress induced nausea.
We have elected a man who has made multiple racist statements ( remember the Khans and Judge Curiel ?), multiple threats to our allies, multiple threats to reinstitute torture, praises dictators as “strong leaders”, and clearly and in his own recorded words does not respect approximately 50 % of our population as anything other than sex objects. Now you may be comfortable saying that “he has walked back” some of the more egregious statements. I am not. I see this as his handlers convincing him that he could not win by expressing his true feelings in these terms. I do not for one moment doubt that what we have seen at his worst is an expression of who he really is.
What I believe is that we had the opportunity to witness a blatantly obvious racist, misogynist, self absorbed ( in his own words, remember “…I alone can fix it” individual with narcissistic personality traits, and that enough of our citizens, while not racists or misogynists themselves, have been willing to give him a pass on these very real personal traits. Perhaps the very best Donald Trump will show up every day to the White House. For all our sakes, I pray that this true, because if not, we will all be paying the price.
Tia wrote:
> I am now sitting here writing, while fighting back waves of stress induced nausea.
I don’t understand why many on the left “don’t have a problem” when a guy with a D after his (or her) name deport millions and innocent people around the world with drone strikes but have “waves of stress induced nausea” when someone with a R after his (or her) name even talk about doing the exact same thing…
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661
Just last night we had protestors and riots in several major cities because people are upset that their candidate didn’t win. I don’t remember any riots when Obama was elected even though nearly half the country didn’t like that outcome. It just goes to show you the difference between liberals and conservatives.
In Chicago a black mob beat a man for voting for Trump, can you imagine the uproar if a white mob had beat a black man for voting for Obama? But that never happened, did it?
http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-black-mob-viciously-beats-white-trump-voter/
BP
While I never condone violence, regardless of who is doing it, I would like to point out to you that it was our president elect who first promoted this kind of behavior with his comments about how great it had been when someone “like this would have been taken out on a stretcher” and how people “like his ” should just be “punched in the face”.
Do you really believe that a leader can promote violence and then not expect that some will take him up on that suggestion. The problem here is that he did not seem to consider that there might be violent individuals on both sides of the spectrum. Let’s hope that he will become more prudent in his use of words and exhortations in the future.
Now Trump’s getting blamed for a black mob beating a white guy who voted for Trump.
What next will Trump be blamed for?
BTW Tia, did you ever watch the Okeefe sting video that proved the Democrats were paying people to encite violence at Trump rallies?
DG< I am always aware of way more than even you can comprehend, right? I LIVE it everyday
Again, the media was against the Donald and much was created out of context to rile up the HRC minions…
Marina
“This saddened me..as it is an attempt to create a further divide….
And, certainly not appropriate behaviors for an interim chancellor and a vice chancellor.”
There is no need to “attempt to create a further divide”. The divide is there. I completely agree with BP that he has the right to celebrate the victory of his preferred candidate. And I believe that it would be terribly irresponsible not to realize that there are many students, and others in out community who are feeling a sense of fear and despair at this time. With depression, self harm, substance abuse and suicidal ideation, attempts and some actual “successes” common amongst our youth it is the obligation of all of us including university administration to acknowledge that just as this has been a source of relief and joy for some, it is a source of anxiety, depression and hopelessness for others.
I would like to share my experience since the election. I know a number of young people. I want to tell you about three millenials that I know. My daughter has probably shown the greatest resiliency of the three. She and I had a prolonged conversation centering about how she can best reassure her middle school students, mostly Hispanic, who in some cases rightfully fear that they and their families may be deported. She must balance her reassurances to them with the blatant bullying and taunting of these kids by their peers who are telling them that they will soon be on the “Trump train” to go back where they came from. Regardless of the fact that they “came” from here. This type of behavior has now been modeled for them repeatedly by our now president elect. This is witnessed during multiple speeches and interviews, not made up by a “corrupt press”. We sorted out our strategies for balancing the conversation ( as I have similar issues in my clinic) while maintaining our professionalism at a time where we are also in deep pain. For me, the distress has has been strong enough to flip between the urge to vomit and the urge to cry and I have been through it once before when Gore won the popular vote and Bush was selected by judicial activism for the Presidency and so have some experience with this.
The second woman is a Latina. She is a citizen however has had to deal with the rising acceptance of branding people by their ethnicity and has had personal examples of “just go home”.
The third was probably the hardest hit. She is the daughter of a neighbor who chose to take an afternoon off work when she observed that her daughter had spent almost the entire time since the result announcement crying.
So while I respect your right to be happy and to celebrate, I would ask you not to denigrate the feelings of others and to realize that especially amongst the young and those who are for the first time separated from their support systems, the need for help is very real and is not just made up by those whose feelings are different from yours.
“Hispanic, who in some cases rightfully fear that they and their families may be deported. She must balance her reassurances to them with the blatant bullying and taunting of these kids by their peers who are telling them that they will soon be on the “Trump train” to go back where they came from.”
Hi Tia
President Obama’s administration(Janet Napolitano’s train ) deported quietly more illegals than any other U.S. administration in history of the United States . Maybe you should write about the ” Janet Napolitano’s train” instead of using the Joseph Goebbels’ type propaganda against Donald Trump who did not deport one person.
Have a nice day
Jerry
Jerry, you and I know way more truth as legals immigrants than the pc crowd…I am now calling them the ostrich people, right?
I am packing again…see ya pals 🙂
I had to fly back for a very important funeral this week…and I only had 2 hours to pack the prior sat early am….too many all nighters again for this ole body, right?
Everyone is going to have to push back hard against this behavior, wherever we see it. I hope the school is helping her. School districts across the country are going to have to enact policies about this kind of bullying behavior. It can’t be tolerated.
> School districts across the country are going to have to enact
> policies about this kind of bullying behavior. It can’t be tolerated.
What should Davis schools do to stop kids from making Trump supporters cry (Jack Armstrong on AM 650 said the kids at the Davis school his son attends have made him cry for liking Trump)? My kids have been taunted for pointing out that Hillary (like just about every other politician) is a liar but don’t face the social nightmare of the (few) full on Trump supporters (who are taunted worse than an openly guy kid in the bible belt) since they agree with me that Trump is an idiot…
It has been reported and confirmed that students at Woodland High are taunting Mexican American students about being deported soon. “You’d better start packing, because you are leaving soon. Start packing, keep packing, it’s going to happen soon.”
Other reports of bullying have been witnessed at Pioneer High along the same lines.
At least one student was brought to tears by the treatment of other students at Davis High school over his political views.
I’ve learned here that there are those that will belittle, demean and attack others for having views different from their own. If someone knows this and still is willing to put themselves out there, they need to be prepared to stand up to the bullying.
Just a note – Someone voluntarily packing and moving to their new condo in Baja Mexico to live out their retirement is not the same as being forcibly deported. It is not even remotely the same thing.
buncha morons everywhere….I predicted this also…the exit door has been the widest under the BO than even the Bushes.
and, the “leadership” if one can call it at UC is feeding the fears instead of calming down.
We ALL knew this would happen…and yet, guess what, from personal experience in Baja a couple of months ago, I found out that the families that left due to one member being deported are SO much happier…
I have shared this before and the powers that be labeled it off topic…
The jobs are better, the costs are cheaper…families have more leisure time..
the food is REAL the water is clean…and so much more.
The BO/Clinton et al folks were trying to crash BAJA….and now it is rebounding even without the US tourists.
This is the shakeup that is needed.
I hope the Donald is strong enough to right this ship.
BO was already for several years hoarding ammo…in an all out water (ha ha freudian) meant WAR on the citizentry who are speaking out…
Follow the money and LEARN the truth.. It ain’t what the ‘nice interim’ and “vice” are doing and saying….
It will get worse before it gets better..for those who remember the 60s and may have participated in the black protests and the protests against tuition increases and against the Vietnam war, against Nixon, Reagan, et….al…
THIS is our time again..
Do NOT blow it 🙂
PS> the DONALD wants to let states have MORE rights…
That alone should give peace to the illegals in CA….right?
PPS I will fight to allow the students their right to an education…they will learn who there friends are, right? who knows…
no offense to any decent MDs or Attorneys within earshot..
just follow the money and learn the truth and it ain’t Donald’s money.
It is the deep pockets of the ilk of Monstanto/Bayer/Allfrx/Dow…it is the independent expenditures…the likes of Dodo and Aguilar…the likes of PGE and Chevron.
It is the pet project of the Gov – the twin tunnels that UCD professors in COE and CBS and College of Ag, were speaking out against..
The GOV used to be the “conservation” gov and married to Linda Ronstadt…wth happened to him that he wants to kill the delta.
Follow the money and LEARN the truth….PS> do not buy Driscoll products either, right?
In Baja the workers are paid a pittance …unliveable….buy local and organic…do not go to Costco…right? at least nor for produce….
Marina,
I think that there are problems with “the money” on both sides. I do not like the legal “bribery” of the never ending shuttle of advisers, advocates, politicians, and lobbyists that seem to be common to administrations on both sides of the aisle.
I also think there are big problems with a billionaire who takes a “small loan” of one million dollars from his father followed by a variably reported sum of multiple millions in a bail out of his failed businesses, takes multiple enterprises into bankruptcy to the detriment of his investors, contractors and others who work for him while manipulating our laws in order to enrich himself. Do you honestly not see any problem with this from someone who claims to care deeply about the country.
I was raised to judge more on a persons actions than their words ( although I was also taught to appreciate that words can also be sued as weapons – sound familiar ? ). If Donald Trump was so concerned about the loss of American jobs, he had a number of options available. He could have kept his manufacturing companies here in the US by choice. No one forced him to move them to other countries. He could have used his wealth and influence to lobby for means to keep manufacturing here in the United States. He could have come out strongly in favor of major infrastructure projects as Obama wanted and which he now says he favors now that he will be the next president. There are many, many ways that he could have chosen to help those in need in this country and he consistently refused to help them in any way,even unscrupulously depriving many of their savings, until it became politically expedient for him to pretend that he cares about others. Why anyone believes that he has anyone’s best interests at heart than his own is beyond me.
The proof is in his own words, his own actions or lack thereof, his own money, and his own lack of sincerity based not on my word or the word of a “corrupt media” but rather by watching his interviews and reading his own statements over time. If you have not ever seen this man totally contradict himself and then denying that he ever said that even after the clips have been played, then you are doing some very selective watching and money following.
Tia get over with . This is a done deal . Deplorable Americans won .
Jerry
Thanks so much for that empathic statement that has added so much to our mutual attempt to process what has happened.
This is the most depressing conversation. It certainly has gone low.
This is what some are overlooking, and is probably the number one reason that Trump won. (Not arguing that Trump is the “answer”.) I suspect that some jobs aren’t “coming back”, regardless of who is in office. (And some, such as coal mining jobs, perhaps shouldn’t “come back”.)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/michael-moore-lays-out-a-5-point-plan-to-win-america-back/ar-AAk6wXT
Ron posted a link that said:
> Progressive filmmaker Michael Moore has a plan to take America
> back—not just from Donald Trump but from the left-wing establishment
> he believes has failed the American people.
Once we get more outspoken progressives like Michael Moore to start talking about how the “left-wing establishment” wanted Hillary Clinton and stopped at nothing to stop Bernie and outspoken conservatives to start talking about how the “right-wing establishment” wants Jeb Bush and did what they could to stop Trump we can try and get people together to put aside the differences they have with gay marriage and prayer in school and talk about how the left-wing establishment” AND the “right-wing establishment” is screwing not just the “middle-class” but the “upper middle-class”, “lower-middle class” and “poor”…
I’ve been encouraging everyone to pack – because MX is so much better….get your passports now before the rush….
At holmes there was this smart- iq- wise joker with add and other issues who thought it was funny to dump the incoming 7th graders into trash cans..
especially the tiny effeminate ones…like some of the GATE kids..
my son a large and tall and big Gate kid told him off, right?
They then became life long friends..
It takes people to speak out to not be victims….right?
I learned that as a child who started K at the age of 6 1/2 and was a big girl… here in SF without knowing a word of English, right? English was my third language.
But, heck one doesn’t need to know the language to not be a victim, right?
or at least be likeable so someone bigger and taller will come to the rescue….
Marina
I think that you are overlooking a fundamental point. Bullying is wrong in and of itself. One should not have to be “strong” or “likeable” or “fluent” or of a certain color or faith not to be bullied. One should not have to have a big, strong champion”. The bullying should never occur in the first place. This is 100% the responsibility of the bully, not their target.
you are a typical bully Tia…and you don’t even have a clue…
one of the mild mannered passive aggresive types…way worse than the ones who scream and yell…ask any of your psychiatrist friends, right?
Marina
“you are a typical bully Tia…and you don’t even have a clue…”
Please cite examples, preferably with direct quotes of mine if you are going to make this kind of personal attack. And please note that you did not say one word to address the point I was making. This was pure ad hominem.
in the tradition of the native peoples and especially in the Russian native tradition, I make points by sharing true stories…
All stories, regardless of who thinks they are out there are true….sometimes, but not always, the names are changed to protect the innocent…like my family hates it when I share some things…oh well
the UsA education is the bottom of the barrel…and then at UCD they are trying to teach drugged and doped up children logic, right? too late
take a break….discover Baja 🙂
or Puerta Vallarta, or anywhere but the USA>>. 🙂
I tell many around me lately ,I as not talking about you, but if the shoe fits YOU can wear it also.
The Donald is NOT a bully but he gets frustrated at what is happening around him in this country…
the ostrich people can go away now…they won’t get it anyway….
Jerry
“President Obama’s administration(Janet Napolitano’s train ) deported quietly more illegals than any other U.S. administration in history of the United States . Maybe you should write about the ” Janet Napolitano’s train” instead of using the Joseph Goebbels’ type propaganda against Donald Trump who did not deport one person.”
I am well aware of this and I do not approve of these policies of President Obama any more than I do when an equally aggressive approach ( assuming that Mr. Trump knew about the Obama deportations and was willing to lie leading people to believe that Obama was letting in hordes of undocumented individuals) and was not just making a stupid claim. He has of course been known to do that as when he maintained for years that he doubted Obama’s citizenship.
However, as you will note, this is the only thread in which David has promoted discussion of national issues so I have had no opportunity to express my distaste for these deportations, for the use of drones and for any of a number of other Obama initiatives of which I do not approve. Just like hpierce, I look at each issue separately with the knowledge that there is no one with whom I will always agree. What is astounding to me is that a winning proportiona of the electorate was willing to give a pass to ( by many measures an unsuccessful business man) who relied on anger, name calling, personal attacks, racism, religious discrimination and fear and frustration to “win” at all costs.
it was mostly on the LK threads where no matter what evidence I presented, you were truly playing the pc game….your actions and your words were bashing Jerry AND me and you had a whole audience egging you on..
most of what I was posting was removed…while your idiocies stood and still stand.
go th f away, please….too busy to try to spoonfeed YOU again
don’t waste my time any longer…if you want to learn something useful…watch Bought and then Vaxxed… I know you were interested in that ….watch and learn something okay…I am very late for a very important date…my plane….
jeez….that is nice Tia….and guess what when I was recently in my rental on the water of the Bay of Banderas…on the 6th floor….someone with a drone on the ground was looking in the windows of my truly private I thought unit….
I reported that to management and the offender was dealt with…they were banned from the beach below…
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I was trying to heal in PV< after both Sutter and UCDMC tried to kill me several times during the last year…the lasting effects on the overmed on my family member was irreversible, right? and my M-i-L GOT type 2 diabetes from the statin she was given and didn't need… now she is off all that shit and healthy and swims every day in her pool in FL….right?
follow the money and learn the truth..it ain't in the USA nor the ADA nor the AMA..
86% of Davis voters voted for Hillary. The commenters on this thread don’t seem to represent the Davis community and are in the minority. The loudest and most frequent commenter is in the process of transitioning to a life of an retired American in Baja Mexico. Hillary received the most votes, but the winner is Trump. He cannot ignore over half of the voters and their interests in his upcoming presidency without consequence. He needs us more than we need him, if he is going to succeed. Some will be elated by Trumps win, but I believe that they will come to regret this. Trump is not competent to be the President. He has had a life of looking out for only his own interests, and is not prepared to act only in the interest of others. He will need reminders and help, but I don’t trust that he will surround himself with people who will do that. He comes with baggage and a conviction of any one of his accused crimes will be grounds for impeachment and this is problematic.
Hello, he’s got the House and the Senate. He doesn’t need you.
Remember, elections have consequences. Hmmmm, who said that?
Such a short-sighted, selfish view. I don’t even know how to interpret this. Is it bragging, or hateful or a warning?
Do you claim that Trump will forge ahead with little regard for over half the nations voter’s wishes?
How dare you use this platform to slap the face of the vast majority of voters in Davis?
Obama put through many of his policies with little regard for about half of the nation’s voters. It’s your turn to deal with it.
It’s called free speech. I might be in the minority in Davis but I still have the right to express my opinions. Deal with that too.
huh? too bad that this progressive and mostly clueless town now has been run amuk for those who cannot see the forest for the trees.
I used to take pride to be known as the People’s republic of Davis…and yet even the communist party was taken down for being a sham, ….too bad…oh well
jeez….I thought that your comments are always loud and do not represent many in the town….and you are also commenting on this thread with your born in the USA agenda and poor education……oh well
until folks have a more worldy view of things, and can speak at least 2-3 languages, they will continue to have little clue…and they will continue to spout nonsense like the BO and HRC>>..and even believe it also….