The Milo Yiannopoulos experience was, from the start, political theater. In essence, Mr. Yiannopoulos got exactly what he wanted when the main event was shut down. That allowed him to bolster his claim that the social justice left community is repressive and the administration cowered at their feet.
That momentarily gave him and his supporters the moral high ground – a place that they apparently had no desire to occupy, and quickly ceded as they completed their political theater with a reprehensible reenactment of police brutality in a mocking and disdainful way.
Since early December, the Milo Yiannopoulos event was one of the more highly anticipated in recent years. Indeed, the Vanguard in just a month has received nine guest pieces on the topic – by far the most of any single issue.
At the end of December, Sean Raycraft, a member of the Vanguard Editorial Board, wrote, “Davis College Republicans Have A Lot To Answer For On Milo.”
As Mr. Raycraft wrote, “What has been missing from this discussion is the why. Why did the Davis College Republicans invite this person to speak at UC Davis? What good to the community comes from him being here?”
We wanted to get that answer and reached out to the College Republicans via Facebook Messenger and email for a response. Despite an indication that the message was read, we got no response.
The group has even more to answer for now. During his protest speech, Mr. Yiannopoulos accused the administration of dishonesty in the cancellation of the event. As he told the crowd and after that clarified to the Vanguard, it is true that the College Republicans had cancelled the speech, but that was because “they were told by police that they would be responsible for property damage.”
He told the Vanguard he was hoping with the march, “I want the university to admit that they intimidated those students into cancelling the event in violation of their First Amendment responsibilities.”
Later, he said they were going to have “fun” by, among other things, reenacting the notorious pepper spray incident.
As UC Davis Professor Natalia Deeb-Sossa wrote in a letter to the Vanguard, “Milo and his cabal were trivializing the targeting of students protesters by police officers in riot gear with chemical weapons.”
She added, “What is so hurtful and harmful of what Milo and his cabal have done is that they are laughing at the abuses of police power and police violence that target disproportionately radical and progressive student activism. They are also normalizing the militarization of police which have intensified the surveillance and criminalization of communities of color.”
Here’s the problem – Milo Yiannopoulos is political theater. He’s quite good at his shtick – he’s witty, he’s good on his feet, and he’s very articulate. The problem is that there are boundaries and some things are just not funny.
Given the experience that Milo and his supporters endured on Friday, perhaps they should take a little less glee at the suffering of others, lest they be on the receiving end next time. And, given their world view, that seems a distinct possibility – at least in their own minds.
Part of the problem is that probably very few if any of those students who participated in the pepper spray reenactment were here in November 2011. They don’t remember how it felt, the violation, the anger, the community response.
They may have seen the viral video and memes of the incident, but they didn’t feel. There wasn’t a liberal anger, there wasn’t a conservative anger, there was just an anger.
They weren’t there on the Monday after the incident when the crowd from the community – students and town residents – gathered in numbers never before seen and never since seen. We are talking about between 5000 and 10,000 people on the quad. The entire eastern side of the quad was filled and the crowd extended well onto the western side.
As big as Milo was, he never even came close to touching that kind of audience size.
Real people were hurt. There was the physical effect of the pepper spray burning in people’s eyes for hours and the psychological trauma that followed.
People’s lives were irreparably changed. People got fired from their jobs. The chancellor was damaged and perhaps ended up resigning five years later ultimately because she never really recovered.
Millions were spent to investigate and change the system so that, when this event happened on Friday, there was not a repeat of those mistakes.
Like Sean Raycraft, I wanted to hear from the College Republicans. I wanted to understand what they were thinking by bringing Milo to campus.
I got a glimpse of that on Saturday when I was out there with a group of 200 or so people and Milo. On Sunday, I described the political divide and there is a combination of both anger and a feeling of political vulnerability. While they beat their chests about Trump winning and Obama being on his way out, there was also the recognition that they are largely alone in this community.
Surprisingly, I found an interesting commonality between the vulnerability and isolation that these College Republicans expressed at the event and the feeling of isolation and vulnerability that the LGBT community, women, Muslims and other people of color feel about the future of this nation under Trump.
However, whatever legitimate political message they had on Saturday – and I still think there are some legitimate points raised by Milo in his typical outrageous manner – those were wiped out when they did the pepper spray reenactment.
They should be ashamed of themselves. They have mocked and ridiculed human suffering and trivialized the very sort of state-sponsored oppression that they were supposedly protesting against on Saturday.
Most of all, Milo used these kids. He can leave town and not have to face the consequences of his actions. The College Republicans have to live here and their faces are etched in these photos and these videos for perpetuity.
If the College Republicans had some explaining to do about Milo, they have more explaining to do now. I won’t hold my breath – in the end, I think they lack the political fortitude to stand behind their actions on a platform that won’t be as friendly as the one they had on Saturday.
In this debate over free speech, something has gotten lost. We have freedom of speech in this country and it is troubling when people want to shut that speech down, but we do not have freedom from consequences. With freedom comes responsibility. And, while I will fight for people’s right to speak, they also have to answer for what they say.
—David M. Greenwald reporting
Maybe because it’s true?
I do agree that Milo and his followers lost much of their high ground with the ill advised pepper spray demonstration on Saturday.
I would say it is a subjective impression. The administration I suspect was more concerned with avoiding a confrontation and another pepper spray like incident than they were cowered to the protesters. You can reach whatever conclusion you want about the protesters, but I believe that to be the motivation of the administration.
Video confirms the campus statement: “a large number of protesters blocked access to the venue.” Campus police “determined that it was no longer feasible to continue with the event safely.”
Here is campus policy on point:
UC Davis Policy and Procedure Manual Chapter 270, Properties Use and Extracurricular Activities:
II.B. Public expression in the form of freedom of speech and advocacy may be exercised on University properties at such times and places and in such a manner as is compatible with the use of the property and as follows:
..8. Does not interfere with property entrances or exits.
My understanding is that campus police could have removed those blocking access – the concern was whether this could have been done safely.
The contract for the event would tell you risk allocation and event cancellation terms.
I’ve requested those documents, but what I can say is after the Pepper Spray incident, the police are not going to attempt to actively move protesters unless there is a real public safety issue.
So we can count on conservative speakers never being allowed to have events on campus because the agitators will be able to shut it down without fear of being held accountable.
Is that the official policy since the pepper spray incident? I agree with you that it certainly would have been risky, but technically, it appears the police had the right to remove the protesters. So the cancellation made sense. I think the issue is who ultimately makes the cancellation decision.
I feel the issue is why are leftist agitators allowed to force a free speech campus approved event to have to shut down.
Question the use of the term “allowed.” I would have used the term “were able to”
I don’t know if it is a stated policy – but it has been an acting policy. For instance, in early 2012 there were the bank blockers. They ultimated got the bank to leave campus. They were not forcibly removed, instead they were documented and the DA filed charges against them.
I believe that what is lacking often from both sides is empathy. As a human trait, I value empathy highly. It is clear to me that MY does not. He is profiting from encouraging people to show disdain for, to target, and to bully anyone identified as a member of the “out group” which, of course he gets to define. His definitions nearly always depend upon defining an entire group, in this case “the social justice left community” and claiming that they all share a trait, in this case “repression”, conveniently ignoring the fact that there are many of us on the “social justice left” who staunchly defended his right to speak and that of anyone else.
Without input from those who issued the invitation, it is probably fruitless to speculate on what their “true motivations” were. It has been suggested that this was a way of taunting the left, or a platform for spreading MY’s message. What I have not seen is the suggestions that it may have been done in the spirit of celebratory fun. If the Republicans have been feeling truly as anxious and repressed during the Obama presidency as I am now feeling, one might forgive them a little celebratory glee at being rid of a leader who they do not see as sharing or representing their values. I suspect that there were a number of different motivations depending on the individuals who it is important to remember are quite young and probably relatively inexperienced and thus unappreciative of the likely outcome of their actions.
The larger point though is that we not make any assumption that all of them had identical motivation. To do so is to promote the very “tribal” branding and stereotyping that many of us find offensive, at least when applied to us.
I appreciate your commentary here Tia. It is sad that on MLK weekend, when we honor someone who valued an inclusive society, there was not a lot of empathy going around on campus.
It’s sad that protesters can indeed shut down an event on campus. Certainly does not help to create empathy.
Well put, TW.
Perhaps the College Republicans did not ‘invite’ MY but rather UCD was targeted by him as a possible venue and offered his presentation/performance. It appears we will never know. Wonder if UC Berkeley was approached if that is true?
Hi Dianne,
I am a little unclear on the distinction that you are making. I think it is likely that the college Republican group was approached by a front person for MY. However, what comes to mind for me are the words of another famous Republican. The campus Republicans certainly had the ability to
“Just say “no”. Which in view of the requests with reasons provided they certainly could have chosen to do well before the event.
Absolutely! I am not making excuses for them; I guess I was implying their naïveté in accepting the invitation. I would rather believe that if the students than the alternative.
I doubt they were truly naive to what they were doing and I am pretty sure that is the president of the Davis College Republicans sitting next to Milo in the Picture up above so I have to agree with David. The UCD College Republicans have a lot to answer for.
At a 98% confidence level, I greatly doubt that the UCD group was approached by the jerk’s team… there are more ‘liberal’ UC campuses than Davis… and I assume provocation and publicity were mutual goals…
I suspect (25% confidence level) that the invitation was decided to be issued after a “suds” influenced group meeting. Wait, “suds” is a Democrat thing… perhaps gin and tonics?
That’s an interesting question. You state there are more liberal campuses, I used to think so. However, pepper spray happened here. Milo’s event is shut down here. Maybe we’re underestimating things.
After the pepper spray reenactment I think it was likely very intentional that the tour started in Davis because of this specific history. They may never have even intended to have the Friday night speech in the first place. This may have been all about the silly string photo op from the start. Keep in mind, Milo never even showed up to campus on Friday night. and the College Republicans cancelled the event 30 minutes before it was even supposed to start.
The tour started before Davis.
It’s amazing how our town’s liberals think they know what Milo and the College Republicans were planning. Crystal ball anyone?
Pepper spray happened because this is a more liberal campus? Not the strangest post today, but close…
Somehow just didn’t picture Pike as a ‘liberal’, except perhaps in the way the spray was applied… arguably it was applied “liberally”…
Not the strangest, but certainly the most narcissistic . . .
There is noting empathetic about Yianapolous or his plug-uglies. They are the same mean, pampered frat boys that got away with rape and battery in college. They are due condemnation and nothing more.
My understand of Tia’s comment was about empathy in a broad sense, which allows us to be open to the speech of people we may not agree with.
Agree, Leanna… I have empathy and was overtly open to having the jerk speak, as scheduled… truly…
I feel for the insensitive clods, frat or not (facts not in evidence), and hope they grow up… soon….
Hell, when sororities fell out of favor @ UCD, then re-emerged in the early ’70’s, they wanted to reinstate the “home-coming queen” voting thing… The top vote-getter was Dave Mosher, my ‘resident advisor’… Campo dorm… a “landslide”… he even got invited to the Tonight Show, afterwards… he lived in the room next to mine… I still remember the shock on his face moments after he got the invite… guess our all-male dorm, who promoted him sought provocation and publicity… and actually actively supported by the all-female and mixed dorms in the Regan complex… btw, a sheep, nominated and promoted by a frat, came in as a distant second…but still trounced the four or 5 sorority “sweethearts”… as I recall, that was the beginning and the end of re-instituting the UCD ‘home-coming queen’ thing… it was either fall of 1973 or 1974…may be wrong on that…
A brief mention of this here:
http://ucdavismagazine.ucdavis.edu/issues/sp09/aggies_remember.html, and, here…
http://ucdavismagazine.ucdavis.edu/issues/fall08/alumni.html (you have to scroll down)
Dave was a Geography major… not a ‘liberal’, in fact somewhat conservative… as in moderate, leaning conservative.
Please note that I documented my “facts”… I also lived it. One of the guys found a convertible, another a “bull-horn”, and we recreated a 50’s kind of ‘promotion’… we didn’t really use mindless chants, except as parody. and no silly string, pepper spray involved…
Went down to ACE and bought yourself the broad brush, I see.
yeah.. empathy. love that word. . I used to show empathy to all sides until I realized that only causes BOTH sides to come after me.
grow up . … everyone. jeez.
Collapsed dynamics? lol.
Well, take it back. Maybe THAT was the most narcissistic comment.
Thanks for reading
after reading a few comments, I find it fascinating that Sean, a union steward was again initiating the protesting..
during both pepper spray incidents it was those union folks, who were being paid by the unions to instigate those protests, due to the 5 year upcoming contract expiration dates…
first in 2011 and then in 2016…
and as an activist from the 50s/60s I know a lot of the techniques.. though back in those days no one paid me a dime..
of course, when we were protesting the tuition increases at SF State and Berkeley and against the war and for people’s park. the likes of the union activists didn’t care about those issues and many many thousands of children and students did..
Now that the TA/Postdoc unions are run by the UAW/teamsters.. those unions have the funds to hire students to cause rioting and protesting at UCD>
It is unfortunate, that UCD lost the best chancellor ever due to those who only had one agenda….
Yes, Freeborn’s departure was a great loss…
But at least they named a hall after him…which is now gone…
and did ya KNOW him HP? likely you arrived to Davis way later than me.
Did not “know him” in the ‘biblical sense’… did you?
Killing me, HP!
Alan…
Breathe in, breathe out… just keep doing that, and you’ll be fine… trust me on this…
“during both pepper spray incidents it was those union folks, who were being paid by the unions to instigate those protests, ”
completely false
C’mon David, we all know factual information is highly overrated… you ought to listen to your “inner empath” (but wait, you probably can’t, because you’re male)… and ‘follow the money’… oh, and implying the use of a form of the f-bomb terms to make your points would be ‘much’ more effective, particularly if used every other sentence… you might also want to consider greater use of the “at” symbol… also VERY persuasive and informative…
“You should be able to lie.”-L Ron Hubbard-Philadelphia Doctorate Course.
and yes he was murdered at the end… . the new guy DM coerced his long term MD to drug him on the worst of the psychotic drugs around in the 80s.. there is way worse stuff out this day….
interestingly enough, mindfullness is based on many of the premises of those days…
One of the very best therapists in Davis, who used to work at UCD and now has a waiting list a mile long once gave a talk for Adman on campus.. now over 12 years ago…. is into minfullness…
also TIR and Metaphysics were developed by Dr Sarge Gerbode, Stanford professor and MD/ Psychiatrist in the early 80s, which is now a USA FDA and Armed Forces approved therapy for PTSD…
After LRH and Sarge had a run in… .Sarge created TIR and Metaphysics ….he is now in Santa Rosa.. where the best holistic dentist and the best holistic oral surgeon reside. The best dentist was trained in Sweden and the best oral surgeon, Dr. Howard Jarvis.. not of prop 13 fame was the top UCD student of 1976.. and he is also still in Santa Rosa/Windsor… he is retiring in a couple of years so it the likes of some of the Davis dentists made ya sick, ya better hurry…
The guy who stole some of Scn and it became EST and later Landmark and other reincarnations Werner Erhard, who turned out to be a criminal or something also was from Santa Rosa and continued his base in Santa Rosa. While the likes of other offshoots such as Eckenkar ended up in Kauai…
While the Co$ under DM is nothing but a scam… and Louis Farrakhan, of the Black Muslims, are now all following Scn… ( and heck I kinda new some of Louis’s group back in the 60s in SF/Oak/Berkeley area)
And the IRS is happy as they are getting theres… while many wealthy celebs are getting their money stolen.
Follow the money .. learn something sometime. .or do not? do I care 🙂
I have more urgent issues to deal with these days….
“I have more urgent issues to deal with these days….”
You don’t. Clearly.
and you know that how DG?
Months of work – you may be conflating the pepper spray issue with the food service worker strike, where there were professional organizers. That was not the case with pepper spray which had to do with the Occupy Movement. The university had thought there were outsiders influencing the students, but the reports found they were wrong. There were no organized union workers, because it wasn’t a labor based movement.
occupy movement was also full of paid union folks..
did you SEE the list of those arrested DG?
Those who are TAs/Postdocs and in the humanities were also often the union reps..
There was not a single MMG, MCB,NPB and most other CBS and STEM TA or Postdoc protesting during the first not the second pepper stray.
There may have been one or two EVE or related TA/Postdoc.
If ya saw the backs of the heads sitting in in LK area in April 2016.. which was on the DE front page….and listened to the postdoc who was quoted .. one can follow the dots.. and learn the truth…..
If anyone has the list of names back from the initial incident.. I can let ya know who they were/are 🙂
still … and who they were in the year of the incident..
and if anyone has any of the names of the folks who sat in at LK offices in April 2016, I can also provide who they were, are etc.. student status, or not, and which unions they were in and what their positions were at the time..
anyone wanna try me?
“did you SEE the list of those arrested DG?”
I know and worked with almost all of them.
okay.. .so you will send the names to me at one of my emails ya have? or ya prefer to hide the truth DG?
one of the few movies I had time to watch over the decades was a Tom Cruise movie about empaths.. where the woman, it was always a woman, was created and lived in water. . cannot recall the name..
it is now a mainstream Psychological term and it is now scientifically proven that real empaths exist.. typically they are the women who can view both sides of an issue..
or they are the folks known as the “Middle” in KA and HA as was featured in the documentary Kumu Hina.. now on Netflix…
in ancient days, the women were called mother earth or the followers of mother earth…… and many had their heads chopped off or were burned at the stake.. some were called wiccans and other forms of witches.
is is not easy being an empath . as the older one gets and the more experiences one lives, the less likely those “in charge” can get away with the lies and corruption as the empaths, like Mamabear …and a few others speak out and not care what the results to them may be.
but some empaths are too sensitive to see truth around them…
.. and more often than not someones head gets put on a pike aka Lt Pike …
I am learning a ton every day still from the native peoples who I am now surrounding myself with..
Like them soooo much better than the likes of those who mostly hang out here.. cya
Suspect they have already taught you about Aloe vera and perhaps Lophophora williamsii… enjoy…
. . . . and the harder it is to keep a grip on reality.
Marina
The movie is Minority Report.
“Like them soooo much better than the likes of those who mostly hang out here.”
https://media.tenor.co/images/207c9d3a0ee0f64265c1293a33666a75/raw
the ousting of the US Bank, just the amount they paid annually in various rent or fees alone, was to the tune of over 100K … (perhaps much more) not to mention the cost of ousting the protestors etc.
If I recall correctly, those funds were used in a way to benefit students and as a result students lost out…
In the 50s/60s the cops would ask to see the ID of the protestors.. and if on a campus, the student ID.. .. at times those without “business” on a campus were ousted…
business meaning if they were not a student, employee or didn’t have an appointment or other confirmed reason to be on the campus….they were asked to leave..
I never understood why the campus police didn’t just go around and ask to see the student/employee and other ID of the protestors during the pepper days..
I don’t know if this guy is one of the College Reps, but his post is fairly inflammatory:
Konnor is one of the guys spraying string in the picture. I think he is the one that yells out “take that you dirty hippies” in the video I have seen of the silly string incident. He does appear to be a Davis student. this guys does not actually care about free speech. Here is part of a post he put on his (public) facebook page on December 4th.
And on November 22 he posted
But wait, it gets worse. In November he posted a meme about a car running over a protester. and back in September he posted a video of a car actually hitting a protester.
He also has several pro torture posts.
One can see you are “heavily invested” in seeking out and posting any “dirt” you can find on anyone who does not agree with your ‘world view’… hope you are not doing so on ‘company time’…
Am seeing two sides of same coin…
Wow Howard. Very interesting that you would want to go so far as to issue a veiled threat like that to protect someone who supports running over protesters with cars. Do you support hitting protesters with cars too?
You will note that what I have posted about him is not random dirt or ill gotten information. I have quoted his public posts where he has spoken out against free speech.
This guy, Konnor, is not a free speech activist.
Term, I believe is Doxxing
To be clear. There is no doxxing going on here. We are looking at public posts from one of the Milo “Free Speech” protesters that show he does not actually care about free speech.
Good call Howard, Colin Walsh is quite the sleuth.
Ha. Maybe it would take you a while to find, but looking someone up on Facebook is hardly difficult.
Maybe it’s just me but when I have a discussion with someone I don’t do Internet searches on them.
Keith, It seems like the real problem is you don’t like the fact people found out that you pretended to be in favor of freedom of speech on the Vanguard, but made posts in other places that show it is not a deeply held conviction for you.
CW, I love you buddy, but looking up stuff on people on the comment board to attempt to discredit them is not a pretty look. I hope you will consider sticking to making points.
(Note: I don’t have an issue with looking up stuff on people not on the comment board to see who they are)
A warning to anyone signed on using their Facebook accounts. Be sure to have all of your security filters on in order to keep people on here from prying into your personal life. But you’ll find that won’t even fully protect you as the snoopers can still see many of your friends on your home page even though your filters are turned on.
Howard
“One can see you are “heavily invested” in seeking out and posting any “dirt” you can find on anyone who does not agree with your ‘world view”
If the “dirt” is of their own making, is that not worth knowing ? This is not speculation, lies, false news, or rumor. These are his own words. I think it is worth knowing if someone is consistent in their beliefs or clearly hypocritical as in this case. The belief in freedom for my ideas…..but not for yours is worth being aware of.
Colin… what “veiled threat”? Get real… if you can…
As to the other points… have you even seen me use the jerk speaker’s name? I refuse to, as I refute much, if not all he has been reported to spew… and don’t even use his initials, lest he can claim more publicity.
In that quote you have verified my contention, now stated as, that there is no place so low that you will not go to attempt to discredit those who do not share your world views/prejudices/politics…
Spin it as you want… the jerk speaker’s views are so antithetical to my faith, morals, ethics, behaviors, history, etc., that you must not have read previous posts of mine, or you may need MH/surgical intervention. You are apparently suffering from RCI.
You may well be more offensive than the jerk in question… but with a difference… he does it for attention/$… why in God’s creation did you post the quoted text?
Please seek help… I hope you get better…
The car thing is spooky/demented…
Tia- That is my perspective too. The only word I would add is public. These are all public posts and live in a similar space as letters to the editor.
It would be very different to post unrelated material or to try to doxx someone exposing unrelated and personal, possibly private details about them. that would not be appropriate. Along the same lines, making veiled threats against someones employment as “Howard” did above is also a very different thing, and says a lot about him.
Howard, I posted about Konnor’s posts where he seems to celebrate hitting protesters with cars. then you came to Konnors defense. It certainly raises the question do you support hitting protesters with cars too? Glad to know you don’t because your right, It is pretty sick. As to the rest of your post, I can understand that you don’t want to own issuing a veiled threat.
Per the UCD directory, Konnor is a senior majoring in Political Science.
I agree with everything Konnor Ternus wrote except for the “I wish the cops had pepper sprayed those violent protesters.”
Well keith, we already established that you do not believe that flag burning is part of freedom of speech, but do you also agree with ramming protesters with cars? Konnor has multiple posts about it.
I was referencing Konnor’s comments that David posted.
I have no idea what you’ve managed to dig up on him.
Did you check him out because he took a public position on a political blog about freedom of speech defending someone who attracted white supremacy/ Neo Nazi leader Nathan Damingo of Identity Evropa to Davis last night. Please do not be surprised that people are curious about who you are and what you stand for like you commented to me?
and the DV is supposed to be a real 501(c) 3.. and not take sides DG and DV..
and this man looks like a Native person to me. and wtf are you saying he may be a Rep..
truly…
what a bunch of num nums.. does that pass your scrubber
this is a man who is not afraid to speak out.. I LIKE him already…
Another falsehood. The only requirement of a 501c3 is that it not endorse or participate in partisan elections.
“you are participating in furthering agendas of partisan elections.”
Nope. We have covered and weighed in on a local issue. When it came to the election – national or partisan, we have hardly had any coverage.
Grow up, get sober, get real, get professional help, if necessary…(whichever, or all)… “nim nums”, “wtf”‘s, the @@@@@@ thing? Sure looks like despite your ‘Slavic superiority’, “engineering blood”, ‘all-knowing/wise’ claims, in a battle of wits, you are un-armed… you sure come across as a petulant fourth-grader (who might well also have a cognitive disability)… do your parents know what you are doing?
January 17, 2017. The day Howard P. finally had enough of Marina and couldn’t take it anymore.
You should have been here before the purification.
Mea culpa… was a bad blogger… je suis desolee… will try to be a better person…
And yes, Alan, think you picked up on my “Network” analogy…
I was. I am Timeless.
I think you think I did. I didn’t. Care to elaborate?
Sure… the main character, Howard Beale [played by Peter Finch, who passed ~ the time the movie was released] had a psychotic break, and on the air said “I’m mad as hell and I won’t take it anymore”… he became a cult icon in the movie… see;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_(film)#Legacy
Scroll down on it, “popular culture’… I’ve been thinking it explains much of the last 15 months or so… see the movie… probably on Netflix or something… somebody else might like it as well… towards the end of the movie, the Beale character learned to ‘follow the money’ (played well by Ned Beatty)…
If you do see the flick, let me know if you agree that it is a bit prophetic… [the movie came out 40 years ago, as of last November]
You’re crossing the line here. Time to take a time out.
The College Republicans have had opportunities to reach out to people and educate them about their political views and the reasoning behind support for a Trump administration and the Republican platform. Instead they gave us this farce. For many students, this will be the event that defines their image of what the Republican party is all about. They are responsible for their heightened sense of vulnerability and isolation by choosing to find the most divisive person to promote their views and doing their best to increase the divide. I find it really hard to grasp that we have students on campus that support this as some sort of political speech, that ML is representative of the College Republicans. How can they demand respect from others if they don’t appear to have respect for themselves?
I may be the oldest YCAL member since they invited me to join when we were working on getting Ron Paul to Davis the first time…
Unless they kicked me out for whatever reason, which I doubt, but I also truly doubt there is a single YCAL left from the days when I got their emails and so on…
they didn’t care that I was old…
Is this a different group?
Or is there now more than one group?
One’s upbringing and ones experiences have somewhat to do with how one acts as a young adult..
At the same time, one’s experiences also affect ones tolerance and patience level.. . the more sh@@@@ one was subjected to the more outspoken one may be..
Life and Death..
I don’t know that the College Republicans “owe” anyone an explanation. But, in the absence of an explanation, we are left to form our own conclusions on what their motivations were and where their allegiances lie within the spectrum of right wing ideologies, given that they have chosen to serve as a tool for the extremist alt-right. To give them the benefit of the doubt, I’m willing to consider the possibility that they are merely unwitting dupes.
Just as the protesters who shut down Milo’s free speech were also “unwitting dupes”.
I couldn’t agree more. I agree with Milo Y.’s basic criticisms of some forms of lefty dialog – I believe it parallels the reasons that many US citizens voted for Trump. I do find some of what he says quite obnoxious.
However, when it gets local we know the local score. When he started saying protestors were “violent” he lost me, as clearly for all accounts they were not. I didn’t agree with the decision to block entrances or move barricades, but his characterization cheapens the word violence.
Further, the Pepper Spray incident wasn’t about the politics of those protesting that day — the tactics of which I didn’t particularly agree with — but rather about the blatantly horrific response by the University and its police force.
Milo Y. did indeed pooch his message with that s**t show. It’s much easier to disparage general politics, but when you get local you better know what you’re talking about, because the locals do know. And clearly Milo Y. and those that so participated in the pepper spray mocking — do not.
For people who complain ceaselessly about their free speech being violated, they certainly do not participate in dialogue with those who share different views.
How so? The protesters could’ve attended Milo’s speech and during the question seesion had a conversation with him. They instead chose to shut him down. So who’s not participating in a dialogue with those that have different views? It sounds like in Davis it’s the protesters who don’t want any conversation.